350名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2kYqQFs402023/06/27(火) 17:19:15.41
地域にどう貢献できるかという発想が大事
県民が喜べば試合結果なんてどうでもいいぐらいの割り切りが必要
県内の子供たちがスタジアム内で小さい頃から無料でサッカー教えてもらえるとか
そういうことしないと
356名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WXYO2beI0
>>350
>地域にどう貢献できるかという発想が大事
>地域にどう貢献できるかという発想が大事
プロだから、集客して稼いで税金納めて周辺の経済活性化させることが貢献。
ところが建設費も維持費も税金クレクレだから、もう話にならんのよ。
364名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2kYqQFs40
>>356
それは田舎じゃ無理
それは田舎じゃ無理
だから試合してない時の活用方法が大事なんだよ、維持費とんでもないんだから
377名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WXYO2beI0
>>364
だから田舎にそんな建設費も維持費もかかるスタジアムを要求しちゃいかんのだ。
Jリーグのスタジアム要件が狂ってんだよ。
だから田舎にそんな建設費も維持費もかかるスタジアムを要求しちゃいかんのだ。
Jリーグのスタジアム要件が狂ってんだよ。
352名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8rjEQnBw02023/06/27(火) 17:21:16.90
中古車展示、家具展示会場、ドリフト選手権会場、田舎版コミケ、いろいろあるよ。使い道は。
353名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:RdcUjhWW02023/06/27(火) 17:22:10.65
拒否されてるんだから貢献もクソもないぞｗ
住民はサッカーが文化とも思ってないし
思ってるのは絶滅寸前の少数のサポーターだけｗ
住民はサッカーが文化とも思ってないし
思ってるのは絶滅寸前の少数のサポーターだけｗ
354名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pDi/32jE02023/06/27(火) 17:22:38.97
沖縄アリーナの一番高い席は24000円でコートの傍は細かく分けられてて価格差がかなりある
いい座席はそれが当たり前だよね
対して味の素スタジアムの一番高い席は7500円
適正価格を無視してるから上げられないんでしょう
いい座席はそれが当たり前だよね
対して味の素スタジアムの一番高い席は7500円
適正価格を無視してるから上げられないんでしょう
355名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MGcOPsUI02023/06/27(火) 17:22:53.92
鹿児島にしろ甲府にしろ、スタを用意できない、する気がない自治体のチームはなくなっても良いんじゃないかな
それをその地域が選択したのだから
それをその地域が選択したのだから
野球だってバスケだって全自治体にあるわけじゃないよ
370名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TEnWwZ6F0
>>355
極論馬鹿は黙ってような
極論馬鹿は黙ってような
389名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MGcOPsUI0
>>370
だっておたくの知事がそう言ってるんであって自分が作らないって言ったんじゃないし
だっておたくの知事がそう言ってるんであって自分が作らないって言ったんじゃないし
404名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TEnWwZ6F0
>>389
ガキか
ガキか
407名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MGcOPsUI0
>>404
他人にバカとかガキとか言ってる暇になんとかしたら良いやん
他人にバカとかガキとか言ってる暇になんとかしたら良いやん
412名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TEnWwZ6F0
>>407
俺甲府サポちゃうしな
俺甲府サポちゃうしな
413名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MGcOPsUI0
>>412
じゃあ良いじゃん
甲府サポなんていなかったんだ
じゃあ良いじゃん
甲府サポなんていなかったんだ
358名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tQ5TBTGc02023/06/27(火) 17:24:04.65
やることやらずにスタジアムを税金で建てて月2回試合すんのが文化w
少なw
少なw
359名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Q0LcKrYd02023/06/27(火) 17:24:43.01
観客５千人くらいのキャパで土のグランドでいいだろ
それ位なら自治体も頑張れるだろ
それ位なら自治体も頑張れるだろ
361名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8rjEQnBw02023/06/27(火) 17:25:15.13
地方のやつ暇なんだな。こんなセミプロみたいなのよく観に行くよな。もっと働いて納税しろ。
362名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:RwFQeRk502023/06/27(火) 17:25:43.48
地域に貢献
金かせいで税金たくさん払うことじゃないの？
金かせいで税金たくさん払うことじゃないの？
自治体におんぶにだっこみたいなのが
地域に貢献なのか
365名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8rjEQnBw02023/06/27(火) 17:28:09.36
ま、わかるよ、パチンコ以外にましな暇つぶしがないんだよな。だったらパチンコ屋にパチンコスロットつきの競技場作ってもらえよ。
367名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Eko2Ue2A02023/06/27(火) 17:29:25.71
プレミアリーグ 最低収容人数5000人
ルートンタウンのホームスタジアム 収容人数10356人
ルートンタウンのホームスタジアム 収容人数10356人
リーガ
エイバルのホームスタジアム 収容人数8164人
セリエA
ACモンツァのホームスタジアム 収容人数10000人
こうやって見るとJリーグの最低収容人数15000人ってイカれてんな
368名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Fz3Kspeg02023/06/27(火) 17:30:06.44
山梨って総合球技場も持ってないのかよ 糞貧乏県だな
富士山登山鉄道とか言う赤字垂れ流しの環境破壊鉄道を作るらしいな
富士山登山鉄道とか言う赤字垂れ流しの環境破壊鉄道を作るらしいな
371名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TEnWwZ6F0
>>368
富士登山鉄道はほとんど国負担
富士登山鉄道はほとんど国負担
>>369
実は山梨県
野球場も陸上競技場もろくにないんだよ
374名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:z5U/IwQP0
>>368
赤字垂れ流しのJリーグが言えたことか
赤字垂れ流しのJリーグが言えたことか
369名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yydYMYAp02023/06/27(火) 17:30:15.10
じゃあ山梨県内に沢山有る殆ど使われて無い野球場と陸上競技場を廃止して財源にすりゃ良いんじゃね？
539名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:nmoTZHdE0
>>369
そもそも高校野球ですら35チームくらいしかないわ
球場だって3つありゃ余裕でできる
そもそも高校野球ですら35チームくらいしかないわ
球場だって3つありゃ余裕でできる
更にいうと野球場の維持費なんて大したないわ
371名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TEnWwZ6F0
>>368
富士登山鉄道はほとんど国負担
富士登山鉄道はほとんど国負担
>>369
実は山梨県
野球場も陸上競技場もろくにないんだよ
372名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:RoKEC0Yh02023/06/27(火) 17:32:14.55
空回りしたJFA女子サッカー 無謀なクラウドファンディング
https://hayabusa9.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1687839433/
WEリーグの観客動員は低迷を続けている
https://hayabusa9.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1687839433/
WEリーグの観客動員は低迷を続けている
378名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aO5eBQwS0
>>372
女子プロ野球も12年で事実上消滅したので
サッカーともども女子競技はうまくいかないね
女子プロ野球も12年で事実上消滅したので
サッカーともども女子競技はうまくいかないね
375名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CvLw9otg02023/06/27(火) 17:33:50.27
そもそも官主導のスタジアムは集客や利益のために建ててないでしょ
376名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fFgVlJUZ02023/06/27(火) 17:34:12.65
さっかあ豚文化
380名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6s7lzl6o02023/06/27(火) 17:37:55.96
このクソみたいなスタジアム基準作っとけばたくさん税金踏んだくれる算段なのか？
客入らないクソカススポーツがスタジアムの要件掲げてんの時代錯誤というか自虐ギャグなのか
客入らないクソカススポーツがスタジアムの要件掲げてんの時代錯誤というか自虐ギャグなのか
382名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Fz3Kspeg02023/06/27(火) 17:38:43.38
山梨県人口８０万てｗ総合球技場も作れない糞貧乏なわけだ
産業も何もないだろ ワインくらいか
産業も何もないだろ ワインくらいか
383名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:nD+rEZIl02023/06/27(火) 17:39:28.15
全国に図書館より倍近くある7000カ所の野球場ぶっ潰せよ
386名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XzU3Sqt602023/06/27(火) 17:40:51.31
サッカーなんて陸上競技場でも出来るだろ
無駄に作る必要なし
無駄に作る必要なし
388名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6lu3+vKt02023/06/27(火) 17:45:17.30
アホーターの皆さんがホームゲーム1人5席買って寝ながら見れば貢献出来るのでは？
392名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Fz3Kspeg02023/06/27(火) 17:47:56.90
富士山しか産業がないから富士山ぶっ壊し登山鉄道計画だって
いたるところで崩落して大赤字ｗｗｗ
いたるところで崩落して大赤字ｗｗｗ
393名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jPiaxdHy02023/06/27(火) 17:47:59.46
野々村社長は、コンサドレーレ札幌の年間予算は１１億円だとし、
選手やコーチの報酬などの強化費には３億円をかけていると語り、
「同じ１１億円の規模にはＪ１のヴォンフォーレ甲府があるが、甲府は
強化費に６億円を使っている。これだけ出せるのは試合会場の使用料が
安いためだ。甲府のグランド使用料は１回１７万円だと聞いている」
「札幌ドームは１回に８００万円もかかるし、厚別も３００万円。」
選手やコーチの報酬などの強化費には３億円をかけていると語り、
「同じ１１億円の規模にはＪ１のヴォンフォーレ甲府があるが、甲府は
強化費に６億円を使っている。これだけ出せるのは試合会場の使用料が
安いためだ。甲府のグランド使用料は１回１７万円だと聞いている」
「札幌ドームは１回に８００万円もかかるし、厚別も３００万円。」
甲府はサッカークラブに極めてやさしい自治体なんだがなあ
559名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:R2fOv/GP0
>>393
政令指定都市札幌のチームが甲府と同じ予算てさ
少なくね？？
政令指定都市札幌のチームが甲府と同じ予算てさ
少なくね？？
394名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eO3ff14U02023/06/27(火) 17:50:26.61
10000-15000人くらいのスタジアムじゃ駄目なん
どうせ集まらないでしょ
どうせ集まらないでしょ
400名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CVx2jrSF0
>>394
そのレベルでも、Jリーグ基準で天然芝とか屋根つけろで無駄に建設費がかかるんだよ。
サッカー以外には全然使えないから、不採算施設確定。
多くの自治体が気づいてしまったw
今こんな状態です。
そのレベルでも、Jリーグ基準で天然芝とか屋根つけろで無駄に建設費がかかるんだよ。
サッカー以外には全然使えないから、不採算施設確定。
多くの自治体が気づいてしまったw
今こんな状態です。
395名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yCa11OYU02023/06/27(火) 17:51:00.18
サッカーも支配下選手70人にして週6やろうぜ
それなら野球と同じくらい稼げるはず
それなら野球と同じくらい稼げるはず
396名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MGcOPsUI0
>>395
芝がはげるじゃん
芝がはげるじゃん
398名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:948XTDgh02023/06/27(火) 17:53:07.47
地方でそんなにお金がない自治体の場合、同じ県内とか市内で
Jリーグを目指すチームができて 後からできたクラブが 元からあるクラブより
上のカテゴリに上がったらどうするのかな? 早いもの勝ちなのか上のカテゴリに行った
クラブがスタジアムを譲り受けるのか 新しいスタジアムを作るのか
Jリーグを目指すチームができて 後からできたクラブが 元からあるクラブより
上のカテゴリに上がったらどうするのかな? 早いもの勝ちなのか上のカテゴリに行った
クラブがスタジアムを譲り受けるのか 新しいスタジアムを作るのか
403名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aO5eBQwS0
>>398
福島県の福島ユナイテッドFC(J3)といわきFC(J2)が後発下剋上の例ですね
大阪府のガンバ×セレッソ、静岡県のエスパルス×ジュビロは今は同じカテゴリーだけど
上記のいずれの例もホームスタジアムはそれぞれ別なので
福島県の福島ユナイテッドFC(J3)といわきFC(J2)が後発下剋上の例ですね
大阪府のガンバ×セレッソ、静岡県のエスパルス×ジュビロは今は同じカテゴリーだけど
上記のいずれの例もホームスタジアムはそれぞれ別なので
399名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:m90WXBDW02023/06/27(火) 17:53:14.66
J2J3全部潰してメンバーJ1に集めて全国飛び回りながら無駄に建てたスタジアム使って週6でやればいい
それぐらいやってみせろよ
それぐらいやってみせろよ
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