スタジアム要件を緩和したらいい
維持費も減る 何でこれが出来ないのか
税金で建てます
維持費は払いません、格安で使います
使うのはせいぜい月2回です
お客さんは入りません
全方位lose-loseなの終わってるね
誰がウマい思いするためにこんなの推進するのやら
プロのスポーツチームなんだから、税金に頼らないで自力でスポンサー見つけるんだな。Bリーグはその方向で動いている。
でも最近各地にできてる超立派なアリーナは自治体に建ててもらってるんだよね？
千葉ジェッツの新アリーナは、三井不動産とmixiが事業主体
川崎ブレイブサンダースの新アリーナは、DeNAと京浜急行電鉄が事業主体
パレットタウンとメガウェブ跡地にトヨタがアルバルク東京のアリーナ複合施設作ってる
メガウェブ勿体ねえけど解体されちまった
今動いてるのは民営多いよ
そうじゃないても5000人規模のアリーナは各県1つくらいあっても困らんからそこまで障壁にはならんよのね
ほぼフル稼働出来るからチームがダメダメでも市民に貸せばいいだけだし
それで採算取れなくても使われるならそこまで文句言われん
サカスタはほぼ独占使用で赤字確定だから叩かれるんよ
田舎は自治体、都会は企業が多いのでは？
都会だとアリーナ経営で利益をだせるから
でもサッカーのサポーターって基本的に頭が悪くて底辺で金がないし
募金するほどサッカー好きな奴の数も少ないんだよなぁ
吹田スタジアムは寄付で建設費を調達したが、寄付のほとんどが親会社とその取引先から
サポーターなんか当てにならない
じゃあ維持費回収費が発生するたびに善意に縋るのかと
縋るたびに目減りしていくその金とどう向き合うつもりなのか
世界がそうだからという意外理由ある？
リーグ運営が親会社の理論で動かされるようになるからだよ
野球のコミッショナーは単なるお飾りで実権がないから
当時はバブルで野球が潰れてサッカーが天下を取るとか普通に言われてたのでそれでも行けると思い込んでしまった
世界最高峰のプロサッカーリーグのイングランドプレミアリーグだって全クラブの代表による株主総会で運営されててチェアマンみたいな人なんかほとんど表に出てこない。 今時チェアマンのトップダウンなんて時代錯誤なんだよ。
川淵が言うには、日産マリノスだとトヨタやホンダで働く横浜市民は応援しにくいが、横浜マリノスなら横浜市民全員に応援してもらえるから、らしい
現実問題観客も試合数も少なすぎて親会社だってアホらしくてやってられないからだろ
行政に依存するための方便にしか聞こえないな
リーグ運営が親会社の理論で動かされるようになるからだよ
野球のコミッショナーは単なるお飾りで実権がないから
当時はバブルで野球が潰れてサッカーが天下を取るとか普通に言われてたのでそれでも行けると思い込んでしまった
実権把握してるJリーグ事務局がスタジアム建設も主導すりゃいいのに
世界中見ても企業名表記が認められている国はある。ドイツ始め東欧に多い。
一番名前が知れてるのはバイエルレバークーゼン、アスピリンのバイエルだよ
サッカーはナベツネが初期にそうしようとしたんだけど自ら拒否した
当時はバブルでそれでも回っていったけどバブルが弾けて収入激減した
野球は赤字になっても親会社の商品価格に反映されるだけだけど
サッカーは赤字になったら自治体に要求するようになったので
その地域の社会福祉が削られるという結果になる
それでも十分な経済効果があればいいんだけど既に存在しないとﾊﾞﾚﾃしまった
その状況で年間最大20回した使わん専用スタジアムを作れと脅迫するから全国で問題になっていく
野球は親会社力が強くてリーグに実権がなかった
親会社の理論がそのまま通用してた
川淵とかはそれが嫌だったのよ
カネは出すけど口は出すな というルールをつくってなべつねを追い出した
バブルが弾けたら結局は野球方式で自力で稼いで回すシステムじゃないと日本では自立存続できないとわかってしまった
現在のサッカーは地域密着はカネをムシリ取る方便にしかなってない
企業スポーツであるプロ野球の方が圧倒的に文化として地域に根付いてる
ほんとこれだな
今後生き残る為には時代に合わせて変えていかないとダメなのに
https://hayabusa9.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1673365286/
地元に根付いたクラブにしたいという構想は分かるけど、
事実としてほとんどのクラブがスポンサーがいないと経営が成り立ってない。
バスケBリーグ 昇降格制度やめます
https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASP4J6R8MP4DUTQP025.html
Jリーグ型からプロ野球型へ。
結局、サッカーが誇ってたモノがことごとく崩れたとういうｗ
緑地公園とかで、パンフレットやwebに芝生の上で家族がランチしてる写真掲載してるのに、行ってみると柵があって
芝生に入るなって看板があって二度と行かない状態なのがJリーグなんだよね。
「チェアマンの下す決定は最終のものであり所属する団体個人はそれに拘束され裁判所やその他の機関に訴えることが出来ない」
という条文、特に裁判に訴えられないことに対してナベツネは「独裁者」と言っていたわけ
こんなヤバいのが今でも残っている
我那覇の時に大問題になったのもこのせい
これはひどいな
ありえない
こんな一方的な規約は裁判したら完璧に負けるけどね。
ダイビングなんかの海のレジャーじゃ良くある話、サインさせて訴訟しませんって宣言させる方法な。
勿論、死亡事故が起きたら幾らサインしたって弁護士は一方的に不利になる条件を飲ませたってことで絶対に勝てる案件だから喜んでやる。
サッカーの場合はサッカーから縁切りする覚悟さえあればできるね。
ひょっとして共産党より独裁的なのか？
ナベツネは新聞記者から天下を取っただけあって
世間で誤解されるけど人権優先だぞ
あと新自由主義な
FAも選手の権利だしポスティングは人身売買だから禁止
という当然の主張をしただけ
元々、共産党員で平等ってのが優先度が高い人だからね。
共産党よりって書いたのはJのことだよ
ナベツネが人権優先とは俺はあんまり思わないけど割と好きだよ、著作もけっこう読んでる
政治的には保守派だと思うが天皇批判も平気で口にするあたり気骨あるなあと思ってる、そこ言及しても損しかないだろうにと
>>861
在学中に自分から辞めたんじゃなかったっけ？
当時の共産党がテロ路線で
インフラ壊す→人民が飢える→飢えると革命が起こる
こういう方針に切れて東大内ですでに反共活動
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