256名無しさん@恐縮ですID:whAQPlap02023/06/27(火) 16:17:41.53
同時に田舎県でJクラブ乱立するのも終いにしてほしいわ
観客数3ケタ連発とか1県1クラブすら過剰だわ
観客数3ケタ連発とか1県1クラブすら過剰だわ
345名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>256
沖縄のJたしか一人あたり150円ぐらいだったぞ 特茶よりも安い観戦費用
沖縄のJたしか一人あたり150円ぐらいだったぞ 特茶よりも安い観戦費用
260名無しさん@恐縮ですID:etieHwt602023/06/27(火) 16:18:48.82
税金やらで収入の半分持っていかれるって話題になる時代に、サッカーに限らずスポーツに税金から巨額の支出をするのは、無理があるよ
税リーグのままでは続けていけない
税リーグのままでは続けていけない
261名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RwFQeRk502023/06/27(火) 16:19:06.56
自前でスタジアム建てられないなら
公共施設借りてやるか
アマチュアでやってろよ
公共施設借りてやるか
アマチュアでやってろよ
262名無しさん@恐縮ですID:T2BUZdMc02023/06/27(火) 16:19:12.65
八百坂先生の活躍でサカ豚の大多数は駆逐された感じやね
349名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>262
八百坂先生は訳の分からんゴシップではなく日経とか地元の新聞がソースだからな w
八百坂先生は訳の分からんゴシップではなく日経とか地元の新聞がソースだからな w
264名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RwFQeRk502023/06/27(火) 16:20:23.01
J3なんて雨降らなくても
観客数3桁なんてのがある
観客数3桁なんてのがある
コロナ禍以前から
268名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yuBGXEjn02023/06/27(火) 16:21:50.76
Jリーグ選手やチームはどんな営業努力をしてるんだ?
新規ファンを増やしていかんとアカンのにあぐらかいてるだけじゃないか?
テニスなんか年に1ヶ月しかない休みやのにその間ドサ周りしてるんだぞ
本気でサッカーしたけりゃつまらんプライドは捨てろ
新規ファンを増やしていかんとアカンのにあぐらかいてるだけじゃないか?
テニスなんか年に1ヶ月しかない休みやのにその間ドサ周りしてるんだぞ
本気でサッカーしたけりゃつまらんプライドは捨てろ
397名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FDCFCITI0
>>268
甲府なんてそれこそ観客一千人いるかどうかから始まって、甲府駅前の八百屋にヴァンフォーレなんかいらないと全国のテレビに流されるほどの惨状だった
それが今ではスポンサー看板でスタジアムが埋め尽くされ、メインスポンサーのはくばくが危機に瀕した時にサポーターが支援して乗り切るエピソードから、山梨唯一のプロチームとして応援されるまでになった
つまらんプライドどころか毎年必死にドブ板営業してるぞ
甲府なんてそれこそ観客一千人いるかどうかから始まって、甲府駅前の八百屋にヴァンフォーレなんかいらないと全国のテレビに流されるほどの惨状だった
それが今ではスポンサー看板でスタジアムが埋め尽くされ、メインスポンサーのはくばくが危機に瀕した時にサポーターが支援して乗り切るエピソードから、山梨唯一のプロチームとして応援されるまでになった
つまらんプライドどころか毎年必死にドブ板営業してるぞ
506名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>397
だからこそ今のままでいいんだよ
やるならチョコチョコ改修して自分色に染め上げるべきだ
だからこそ今のままでいいんだよ
やるならチョコチョコ改修して自分色に染め上げるべきだ
405名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WXYO2beI0
>>397
そんだけスポンサーがついて、なんでこんなことになるんだ?
そんだけスポンサーがついて、なんでこんなことになるんだ?
>その理由に年間5000万円から8000万円の維持管理費の赤字が想定され、補填のためヴァンフォーレ甲府のスタジアム使用料など、年間約8500万円の減免措置の見直しが避けられず、チームの経営に重大な影響を与えるとしました。
509名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>405
年間8500万円か
甲子園なら一人五千円として一試合どころか半分以下だな
年間8500万円か
甲子園なら一人五千円として一試合どころか半分以下だな
270名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UozXV+ZP02023/06/27(火) 16:23:19.14
サッカーは人気スポーツだがJリーグはマイナースポーツ
278名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZgbuXE820
>>270
代表チームもすっかり人気ないけどな
日本ではサッカー自体がマイナースポーツに足半分突っ込んでる状態よ
ほとんどの日本人にとってサッカーはまー4年に1回見るかって感じになってる
ぶっちゃけラグビーと変わらん
代表チームもすっかり人気ないけどな
日本ではサッカー自体がマイナースポーツに足半分突っ込んでる状態よ
ほとんどの日本人にとってサッカーはまー4年に1回見るかって感じになってる
ぶっちゃけラグビーと変わらん
302名無しさん@恐縮ですID:aO5eBQwS0
>>278
今年のWBC1次ラウンドプールBで最も観客数が多かった日本×オーストラリアは41,664人で
https://www.wbc2023.jp/score/game2021014459/
今年のWBC1次ラウンドプールBで最も観客数が多かった日本×オーストラリアは41,664人で
https://www.wbc2023.jp/score/game2021014459/
ほぼ1年前のW杯アジア最終予選で最も観客数が多かったのが日本×ベトナムの44,600人だった
https://www.jfa.jp/national_team/samuraiblue/worldcup2022/final_q/groupB/schedule_result/pdf/m30.pdf
https://www.wbc2023.jp/score/game2021014459/
https://www.jfa.jp/national_team/samuraiblue/worldcup2022/final_q/groupB/schedule_result/pdf/m30.pdf
307名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Ab3I35Sk0
>>302
サッカーは収容率悪いよね
スタジアムが大収容人数あって豪勢だから、動員数は立派だけど
サッカーは収容率悪いよね
スタジアムが大収容人数あって豪勢だから、動員数は立派だけど
379名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CVx2jrSF0
>>302
サカ豚に収容率の概念がないのがよくわかるレスだなw
チケット売り切れの東京ドームが埼玉スタジアム並みなら6万は余裕だよ。
いつもは不人気ガラガラなのに、やたらと身分不相応な無駄にデカいスタジアムを税金にタカるのはやめてくれ。
サカ豚に収容率の概念がないのがよくわかるレスだなw
チケット売り切れの東京ドームが埼玉スタジアム並みなら6万は余裕だよ。
いつもは不人気ガラガラなのに、やたらと身分不相応な無駄にデカいスタジアムを税金にタカるのはやめてくれ。
387名無しさん@恐縮ですID:aO5eBQwS0
>>379
2017年8月31日のアジア最終予選、日本×オーストラリアは木曜開催だったけど59,492人入ったよ
https://www.jfa.jp/national_team/samuraiblue/worldcup2018_final_q/groupB/schedule_result/pdf/m27.pdf
https://www.jfa.jp/national_team/samuraiblue/worldcup2018_final_q/groupB/schedule_result/pdf/m27.pdf
2017年8月31日のアジア最終予選、日本×オーストラリアは木曜開催だったけど59,492人入ったよ
https://www.jfa.jp/national_team/samuraiblue/worldcup2018_final_q/groupB/schedule_result/pdf/m27.pdf
https://www.jfa.jp/national_team/samuraiblue/worldcup2018_final_q/groupB/schedule_result/pdf/m27.pdf
411名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Ab3I35Sk0
>>387
スタジアム収容人数大きくてすごいなあ。
サッカーはスタジアムコストは考えなくてもいいからね
スタジアム収容人数大きくてすごいなあ。
サッカーはスタジアムコストは考えなくてもいいからね
391名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CVx2jrSF0
>>387
だからなんなの?
極稀に満員近くになってよかったですねとしか言いようがない。
だからなんなの?
極稀に満員近くになってよかったですねとしか言いようがない。
309名無しさん@恐縮ですID:etieHwt60
>>302
チケットが売り切れて東京ドームが満員になった野球と、チケットが売れ残って埼玉スタジアムに空席があったサッカーを比べるわけか
おもろいな
チケットが売り切れて東京ドームが満員になった野球と、チケットが売れ残って埼玉スタジアムに空席があったサッカーを比べるわけか
おもろいな
311名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jNVCUuYg0
>>302
箱の問題じゃん。
収容人員が野球は東京ドーム43500、サッカーは埼玉で63700か。
なお視聴率は43.2対13.6
箱の問題じゃん。
収容人員が野球は東京ドーム43500、サッカーは埼玉で63700か。
なお視聴率は43.2対13.6
366名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>311
東京ドームが七万人でも埋まったと思うぞ
東京ドームが七万人でも埋まったと思うぞ
326名無しさん@恐縮ですID:aO5eBQwS0
>>311
新型コロナ蔓防解除後の追加チケット販売が試合のわずか10日前で
それまで2万人上限の予定だった影響があったかと
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/sports/news/k10013540671000/
新型コロナ蔓防解除後の追加チケット販売が試合のわずか10日前で
それまで2万人上限の予定だった影響があったかと
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/sports/news/k10013540671000/
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341名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jNVCUuYg0
>>326
なるほど、じゃあ現地観戦諦めてテレビ観戦した人が多かったんですね
なるほど、じゃあ現地観戦諦めてテレビ観戦した人が多かったんですね
363名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>302
ワールドカッブ中国を入れるために代表枠が多すぎてスカスカになるんだろう?予選でイランとか韓国とかなら見る気するけどバングラデシュとかスリランカはいいとしてマカオとかブルネイとかならマジで客こないぞ
ワールドカッブ中国を入れるために代表枠が多すぎてスカスカになるんだろう?予選でイランとか韓国とかなら見る気するけどバングラデシュとかスリランカはいいとしてマカオとかブルネイとかならマジで客こないぞ
271名無しさん@恐縮ですID:etieHwt602023/06/27(火) 16:23:32.24
おっちゃんは野球はするけどサッカーはしないよ
おっちゃんがするのはサッカーではなくてフットサル
走れないから
おっちゃんがするのはサッカーではなくてフットサル
走れないから
276名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZgbuXE820
>>271
代表チームもすっかり人気ないけどな
日本ではサッカー自体がマイナースポーツに足半分突っ込んでる状態よ
ほとんどの日本人にとってサッカーはまー4年に1回見るかって感じになってる
ぶっちゃけラグビーと変わらん
代表チームもすっかり人気ないけどな
日本ではサッカー自体がマイナースポーツに足半分突っ込んでる状態よ
ほとんどの日本人にとってサッカーはまー4年に1回見るかって感じになってる
ぶっちゃけラグビーと変わらん
273名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LrYKDEEm02023/06/27(火) 16:25:16.11
プロ野球を誘致するために税金注ぎ込むなら合理性あるけど、不人気ガラガラの税リーグじゃな
274名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZVUI6czK02023/06/27(火) 16:26:34.27
福島や盛岡の平均入場者数が終わっとる
275名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EJK8Zg2x02023/06/27(火) 16:27:55.66
作っても回収出来ない不人気コンテンツを地方密着!とか言いながら売り歩いたの悪魔だな
各自治体はさっさとクラブ減らす動き始めれば良いのに
誰も反対しないよ
各自治体はさっさとクラブ減らす動き始めれば良いのに
誰も反対しないよ
351名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>275
だから悪徳商法と言われるのよ
しかも悪徳商法なら抜けられるけど
コイツは抜けられない
抜けるのは財政破綻したときだな
だから悪徳商法と言われるのよ
しかも悪徳商法なら抜けられるけど
コイツは抜けられない
抜けるのは財政破綻したときだな
277名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JFAbOzIT02023/06/27(火) 16:30:12.84
黒字化出来てるサカスタなんて日本にないからな
作った時点で負の遺産確定
もうアホかと
作った時点で負の遺産確定
もうアホかと
280名無しさん@恐縮ですID:k8h8azrK02023/06/27(火) 16:31:41.03
税リーグの位置付けってプロ野球の興行に向かないド田舎における年寄り向けの見世物だからな
それならプロ野球のパブリックビューイング会場でも作った方が稼働率も動員も高くなるはず
それならプロ野球のパブリックビューイング会場でも作った方が稼働率も動員も高くなるはず
282名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kCGHIuCI02023/06/27(火) 16:33:10.58
極めて現実的な対応
建設費もだけど結局どうやって維持するかが最大の問題でそこで赤字垂れ流しになるならそれは建てられんわな
建設費もだけど結局どうやって維持するかが最大の問題でそこで赤字垂れ流しになるならそれは建てられんわな
283名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8rjEQnBw02023/06/27(火) 16:33:48.32
浦和と横浜、鹿島、柏、広島、大阪くらいかな知ってるの。
こないだ、えぇ~そんなに知ってるの?てギャルに言われたけど。その子はカズと前園しかしらないがね。
こないだ、えぇ~そんなに知ってるの?てギャルに言われたけど。その子はカズと前園しかしらないがね。
292名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3+n1ESFZ0
>>283
便乗して嘘松するにしてももうちょい設定ちゃんとせんと
便乗して嘘松するにしてももうちょい設定ちゃんとせんと
285名無しさん@恐縮ですID:etieHwt60
>>283
その女、いうほとギャルか?
その女、いうほとギャルか?
290名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8rjEQnBw0
>>285
25だったよ。津⚪︎⚪︎女子大出ている。
25だったよ。津⚪︎⚪︎女子大出ている。
296名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3yAwPTMe0
>>290
自称ギャル(25(45))やな
自称ギャル(25(45))やな
286名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jNVCUuYg0
>>283
ギャル(40代)か?
ギャル(40代)か?
288名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LOBctSnR02023/06/27(火) 16:36:08.09
水増しとかタダ券ばら撒きに目をつむれば世界的に見てJリーグは動員頑張ってるほうだよこれでも
まともに観客動員できてるのプレミアとブンデスくらいちゃうか
リーガやセリエにしたって特定のチーム以外は閑古鳥
ぶっちゃけサッカーは無理あるのよ
まともに観客動員できてるのプレミアとブンデスくらいちゃうか
リーガやセリエにしたって特定のチーム以外は閑古鳥
ぶっちゃけサッカーは無理あるのよ
289名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RwFQeRk502023/06/27(火) 16:36:58.89
大都市だけでやって
テレビ放映権で稼げば
テレビ放映権で稼げば
たくさんあるから食い合いになって
儲からなくなるんだろ
甲府なんかに立派なサッカースタジアムいらんやろ
291名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VfOruKA502023/06/27(火) 16:37:18.91
プロ野球も大谷みたいなスターは海外に移籍して
国内は厳しくなりそうだな
国内は厳しくなりそうだな
なにがいけないのか
294名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kTtWTzUk02023/06/27(火) 16:38:42.15
JリーグとJサポーターの凄いところはこういう時に市や県を悪者に仕立て上げて被害者みたいなムーブすることだよな
自治体は「稼働率が低くて一部の人間しか恩恵を受けないハコモノを税金で建てて維持管理するの無理!」ってだいたい当たり前のことしか言ってないのに
297名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JW5g6QcZ0
>>294
サッカー人気が上がらないのはピロヤキウのせいだと思ってる奴もいそうだからな
いつも周りのせい
そんな人種は関わりたくないと思われるのは極めて正常な感覚
サッカー人気が上がらないのはピロヤキウのせいだと思ってる奴もいそうだからな
いつも周りのせい
そんな人種は関わりたくないと思われるのは極めて正常な感覚
305名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RwFQeRk50
>>297
千葉 仙台 福岡
プロ野球あるところは集客苦戦している
千葉 仙台 福岡
プロ野球あるところは集客苦戦している
385名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fFgVlJUZ0
>>294
さっかあ豚オヤジ「野球がージジイ(笑)がー文化がー」
さっかあ豚オヤジ「野球がージジイ(笑)がー文化がー」
381名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pn+FP6lS0
>>294
稼働率が低い箱でこれだけ税金で使っているとオンブズマンが来て役所を脅して文化会館あたりの会議室をタダで占有しちゃうからね。
文句言おうにもJリーグに出してる金より安いから文句も言えないからね。
稼働率が低い箱でこれだけ税金で使っているとオンブズマンが来て役所を脅して文化会館あたりの会議室をタダで占有しちゃうからね。
文句言おうにもJリーグに出してる金より安いから文句も言えないからね。
295'ID:wZPmV8dt02023/06/27(火) 16:38:54.27
🐷「ワカモノガー」
299名無しさん@恐縮ですID:e57BLXrj02023/06/27(火) 16:44:00.24
うちの県はローカルなのにサッカーチーム二つもある。
本当に無駄だわ。
本当に無駄だわ。
360名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>299
愛媛?
愛媛?
494名無しさん@恐縮ですID:e57BLXrj0
>>360
Jじゃないからチームと言えないかもしれんが三重だよ。
Jじゃないからチームと言えないかもしれんが三重だよ。
538名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>494
あの伝説のユニ作ったところか?
なんだっけな
お嬢様の聖水 最初見たときたまげたわ こんなのユニに付けてプレーするならちんどん屋やったほうがマシだと思う
あの伝説のユニ作ったところか?
なんだっけな
お嬢様の聖水 最初見たときたまげたわ こんなのユニに付けてプレーするならちんどん屋やったほうがマシだと思う
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wow, amazing
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