456名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fz3Kspeg02023/06/27(火) 19:03:51.86
山梨笑ったズラ 総合球技場のないのかよ
人口80万の貧乏県じゃしゃーないズラ
人口80万の貧乏県じゃしゃーないズラ
461名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9LtbXlxB0
>>456
横浜でもお断りされてるがな
横浜でもお断りされてるがな
463名無しさん@恐縮ですID:I8Q/+W9w0
>>456
その貧乏県に金を集るのが税リーグズラwww
その貧乏県に金を集るのが税リーグズラwww
458名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KEeR2TnB02023/06/27(火) 19:04:34.34
どっかの学校のグラウンドにゴ-ルポスト置いて白線引いてやれ
459名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GXqipWbJ02023/06/27(火) 19:05:39.52
八百坂www
462名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bmZ4SYG302023/06/27(火) 19:08:47.95
3つくらいのクラブが共同で所有すればいいんだよ
464名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RwFQeRk502023/06/27(火) 19:12:11.45
あの爺さん元気だな
465名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XejBaeuN02023/06/27(火) 19:12:15.43
トラックや陸上設備を作れば解決する問題なのに何でJFAは認めないの?
466名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OH+9aGHU02023/06/27(火) 19:14:12.67
30周年でまだこんなことしている自称大人気スポーツ
468名無しさん@恐縮ですID:I4SErwm002023/06/27(火) 19:16:01.67
https://soccerhihyo.futabanet.jp/articles/-/95685?page=2
純民間のプロなのに費用対効果に触れないのほんま草
選手スタッフボランティアならまだしも。
(2ページ目) 「つながりを再確認」佐久間悟社長が語る「理想の姿」中田英寿も輩出した“全国3位”サッカー王国・山梨の夢【甲府に新サッカースタジアムを!】(3) | サッカー批評Web(2ページ目) 今年度の天皇杯は、ヴァンフォーレ甲府の優勝で幕を閉じた。来季はJ2クラブでありながら、ACLを戦う。甲府の偉業はけっして偶然ではなく、だからこそフットボールスタジアムが必要である。サッカージャーナリスト・大住良之は、そう訴える。 1970…soccerhihyo.futabanet.jp
471名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5AGlJKY102023/06/27(火) 19:21:32.98
山梨はまとも
箱物なんて負の遺産になって終わりだよ
札幌ドームを見てればわかる
箱物なんて負の遺産になって終わりだよ
札幌ドームを見てればわかる
473名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PSGpXvh/02023/06/27(火) 19:24:39.73
Jリーグがドル箱コンテンツなら一瞬で決まるんじゃ?
話聞いてもらえるだけマシだな、クソを背負わなきゃいけないその一端の責任は自分たちにもあるという認識だからだろうが
話聞いてもらえるだけマシだな、クソを背負わなきゃいけないその一端の責任は自分たちにもあるという認識だからだろうが
475名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LdQKtMn+02023/06/27(火) 19:24:47.66
でも1個ぐらいは県にあってもいいと思う
若い奴が出ていくだけになっちゃうよ
若い奴が出ていくだけになっちゃうよ
476名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WXYO2beI0
>>475
クラブ自体はあっていいんだけど、スタジアム要件が狂ってんのよ。
クラブ自体はあっていいんだけど、スタジアム要件が狂ってんのよ。
485名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RwFQeRk50
>>475
北九州市とか長野市とか人口減っていないの?
北九州市とか長野市とか人口減っていないの?
491名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kKzpoqjN0
>>485
減ってる
減ってる
長野市の人口構成がこれ。サッカーで増えたのは老人と言わざるを得ないw
いや、そもそもスポーツチームの有無で人口増減が左右出来ると考えるのが思い上がりもいいとこ
https://www.city.nagano.nagano.jp/images/395/255009_1.png
478名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8HAW0kMZ0
>>475
立派なスタジアムあっても若者は出ていくし若者が行くのはろくなサッカースタジアムがない東京なんだが
立派なスタジアムあっても若者は出ていくし若者が行くのはろくなサッカースタジアムがない東京なんだが
480名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8gjUXkzL02023/06/27(火) 19:32:22.67
野球場はクソみたいにあるけど
あれの維持費って全然掛かってないんだろうか
あんま話題にならんよな
あれの維持費って全然掛かってないんだろうか
あんま話題にならんよな
560名無しさん@恐縮ですID:24MamH/y0
>>480
サッカー場は洋芝で養生の為の使用禁止期間が長く費用が高いのがいかん
競馬場も洋芝だが週2で一ヶ月も使えば芝が剥がれてボロボロになっていくし
それをレースで使えるようになるまで月単位の養生が必要になる
サッカー場は洋芝で養生の為の使用禁止期間が長く費用が高いのがいかん
競馬場も洋芝だが週2で一ヶ月も使えば芝が剥がれてボロボロになっていくし
それをレースで使えるようになるまで月単位の養生が必要になる
どこの自治体も頭を悩ませてるのがサッカー場を一般やイベント利用向けに開放できず費用の回収ができないことなのだよ
481名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kKzpoqjN0
>>480
クソみたいと言うほど立派な野球場はないと思うけど?
クソみたいと言うほど立派な野球場はないと思うけど?
482名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bmZ4SYG30
>>480
プロ野球の試合してないとこは営利目的じゃないからな
Jリーグみたいな営利団体を税金で支援するのとは訳が違う
プロ野球の試合してないとこは営利目的じゃないからな
Jリーグみたいな営利団体を税金で支援するのとは訳が違う
483名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ibQ9ZDB/0
>>480
管理人1人だけ(下手すりゃ無人)とかザラ
整備はたまの芝刈りとシルバーさんにトイレ掃除してもらう程度
日常のグラウンド整備は利用者が行う
管理人1人だけ(下手すりゃ無人)とかザラ
整備はたまの芝刈りとシルバーさんにトイレ掃除してもらう程度
日常のグラウンド整備は利用者が行う
そんな野球場ばっかだよ
勿論各県のメイン球場のとかはもう少しスタッフいるけど
535名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>480
金が掛かっているというのは二万人以上で外野にも、シートが有るような奴だな そんなのは県庁所在地にあるかどうかよ 川崎なんてしょぼいぜ 内野で座席が四千ぐらいしかないから オープン戦はおろか高校野球の準々決勝すらできない 全然足りなくてハムが使っていた河川敷を硬式にしているくらいで
無論スタンドなんかないし公園の坊っちゃん式だな 軟式はすごい有るがスタンドなんて50人くらいで着替えておしまいよ こんなのに維持なんていくらかかるかよ
金が掛かっているというのは二万人以上で外野にも、シートが有るような奴だな そんなのは県庁所在地にあるかどうかよ 川崎なんてしょぼいぜ 内野で座席が四千ぐらいしかないから オープン戦はおろか高校野球の準々決勝すらできない 全然足りなくてハムが使っていた河川敷を硬式にしているくらいで
無論スタンドなんかないし公園の坊っちゃん式だな 軟式はすごい有るがスタンドなんて50人くらいで着替えておしまいよ こんなのに維持なんていくらかかるかよ
488名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4Jc2tdnv0
>>480
じゃあお前が言うくそみたいに多い河川敷とJリーグのスタジアム交換な。
じゃあお前が言うくそみたいに多い河川敷とJリーグのスタジアム交換な。
490名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9gEEButn0
>>480
維持費がかかるような野球スタジアムあげてみてよ
維持費がかかるような野球スタジアムあげてみてよ
499名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8gjUXkzL0
>>490
あげてみてって言われても建物建ってんだから維持管理費掛かるのは当たり前やろ
むしろ掛らないスタジアム教えてくれよ
あげてみてって言われても建物建ってんだから維持管理費掛かるのは当たり前やろ
むしろ掛らないスタジアム教えてくれよ
514名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HXhE5tgq0
>>499
維持管理費がかかる順に野球スタジアムあげていけばいいだけでは?
維持管理費がかかる順に野球スタジアムあげていけばいいだけでは?
541名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gnwW/tC40
>>480
草野球きゅうじょうなんてほとんど放置だろ
せいびも部外活動でぼらんてぃあで
やらせてる
プロ用の施設とはぜんぜんちがうわ
草野球きゅうじょうなんてほとんど放置だろ
せいびも部外活動でぼらんてぃあで
やらせてる
プロ用の施設とはぜんぜんちがうわ
484名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/6R4DGn902023/06/27(火) 19:39:58.06
Jクラブ専用に作ると結局メインフィールドの稼働がされないということが癌なんだろ
会議室で稼働伸ばすならそこにプレハブ10個でもおいて会議室にした方が遥かに安いし撤去も楽
自治体に集って天然芝ガー言うなら人工芝にでもしたほうがそれこそコンサート利用だって各種稼働に耐える施設にできる
会議室で稼働伸ばすならそこにプレハブ10個でもおいて会議室にした方が遥かに安いし撤去も楽
自治体に集って天然芝ガー言うなら人工芝にでもしたほうがそれこそコンサート利用だって各種稼働に耐える施設にできる
489名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EpSigiff02023/06/27(火) 19:49:07.47
他競技優先でサッカー二の次の競技場でいいやん
トラック部分にレジャーシート引いて応援しよ
492名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CTxM9lry02023/06/27(火) 19:51:27.81
30年の節目に続々とお断りされる税リーグワロタwwwww
493名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/W2GWWCf02023/06/27(火) 19:52:26.14
Jリーグ「スタジアム建てないの?じゃあライセンス交付しねーぞ」
自治体「作りますからぁ😭」
サッカースタジアム「停滞」でJリーグ通達 鹿児島県・市は建設意向の文書提出へ
https://newsdig.tbs.co.jp/articles/-/564076
504名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/6R4DGn90
>>493
何様なのよ
Jリーグは政治案件に関われる政治団体か
何様なのよ
Jリーグは政治案件に関われる政治団体か
497名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EpSigiff0
>>493
Jリーグって悪代官みたいだな
Jリーグって悪代官みたいだな
地方チームの人気低迷も企業努力が足りないとかで
バッサリ切りそう
540名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ClWMmVsj0
>>497
代官様 ここに庶民から巻き上げた税金で代官様の立派な城を作ります
お主も悪よのお ま、こんな感じかな?
代官様 ここに庶民から巻き上げた税金で代官様の立派な城を作ります
お主も悪よのお ま、こんな感じかな?
589名無しさん@恐縮ですID:J4/eT28M0
>>493
鹿児島に関しては謎に県が市の邪魔をしまくってる
鹿児島に関しては謎に県が市の邪魔をしまくってる
612名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5wQ0huwN0
>>589
予定地の地権者の県がお断りしてんのにどこが謎やねん
予定地の地権者の県がお断りしてんのにどこが謎やねん
740名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0BPrHAun0
>>612
このことだけでサカ豚が情報すら仕入れずセカイガーで文化ガーと吠えて話し合いもできない人種だというのがわかる
このことだけでサカ豚が情報すら仕入れずセカイガーで文化ガーと吠えて話し合いもできない人種だというのがわかる
591名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/6R4DGn90
>>589
邪魔というか勝手に市が県有地に建てると言ってるからだろ
鹿児島市が市有地で建てるなら問題おきないわ
邪魔というか勝手に市が県有地に建てると言ってるからだろ
鹿児島市が市有地で建てるなら問題おきないわ
621名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ywf4+NR90
>>591,612
協力してどうにかしようってのが一切ないじゃん
協力してどうにかしようってのが一切ないじゃん
599名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pDi/32jE0
>>493
奥に見える野球場の芝は茶色いな
奥に見える野球場の芝は茶色いな
624名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IfEPW/eo0
>>599
野球場は日本自生の高麗芝だからね、春先はまだ黄色い
ただし維持費は三分の一ですむという優れもの
野球場は日本自生の高麗芝だからね、春先はまだ黄色い
ただし維持費は三分の一ですむという優れもの
495名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LdQKtMn+02023/06/27(火) 19:54:22.23
いや人口の話するならどこも減ってるだろ
それは話が逸れてるよ
高齢化もしてんだからそりゃ老人も増えるよ
それは別問題やわ
それは話が逸れてるよ
高齢化もしてんだからそりゃ老人も増えるよ
それは別問題やわ
502名無しさん@恐縮ですID:31zrJVWa0
>>495
Jリーグのクラブがないと若者は出ていくだけになる
じゃあJリーグのクラブがあったら若者は出ていかなくなるのか
もちろんそんなことはない、ならJリーグと若者の出入りに相関はないし先に若者がどうこうという話題を出したお前が負けだろう
Jリーグのクラブがないと若者は出ていくだけになる
じゃあJリーグのクラブがあったら若者は出ていかなくなるのか
もちろんそんなことはない、ならJリーグと若者の出入りに相関はないし先に若者がどうこうという話題を出したお前が負けだろう
511名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kKzpoqjN0
>>495
サッカークラブがあるからで若者が残ることもないわけよね
サッカークラブがあるからで若者が残ることもないわけよね
月多くて3回しか試合しないのに、札幌ドーム近辺の飲食店曰くコンササポさっさと帰る言われちゃうんじゃどうにもならない
565名無しさん@恐縮ですID:R2fOv/GP0
>>511
月3回ならええ方よ
札幌ドームは7月 0試合
月3回ならええ方よ
札幌ドームは7月 0試合
496名無しさん@恐縮ですID:S79UeXHV02023/06/27(火) 19:54:53.27
税リーグ、ええかげにしろよ
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