750名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9epz+C5902023/06/28(水) 07:20:21.38
甲府駅近の岡島跡地のタワマン計画には国・県・市から56億円の補助が出る模様
https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOCC167L30W3A610C2000000/
https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOCC167L30W3A610C2000000/
甲府・岡島百貨店跡の再開発、商業施設にシネコン - 日本経済新聞
甲府市中心街にある岡島百貨店跡の再開発計画で、事業主のMIRARTHホールディングスは16日、商業ビルの中核テナントにシネコン(複合映画館)を計画していると明らかにした。樋口雄一市長も同日の市議会で計画について言及した。再開発は28階建てタワーマンション
www.nikkei.com
751名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5owJ2DS/02023/06/28(水) 07:26:43.21
甲府にタワマンって誰が買うんだ?
周り山ばっかり
それを高いところから見るとグレードアップするのか?
周り山ばっかり
それを高いところから見るとグレードアップするのか?
753名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tdcjhc6902023/06/28(水) 07:50:28.48
湘南と平塚市も揉めてるし、この流れは止まらない
754名無しさん@恐縮ですID:voRofi5z02023/06/28(水) 07:53:35.84
> 補填のためヴァンフォーレ甲府のスタジアム使用料など、年間約8500万円の減免措置の見直しが避けられず、チームの経営に重大な影響
凄いことが書いてあるがスタジアム建てさせた挙句ロクに使用料は払わず大した集客もしないって本当に地域密着のエンタメプロスポーツなのか?
凄いことが書いてあるがスタジアム建てさせた挙句ロクに使用料は払わず大した集客もしないって本当に地域密着のエンタメプロスポーツなのか?
857名無しさん@恐縮ですID:k33U8MvB0
>>754
まともな運営してないって株主様が言ってるのにね。
まともな運営してないって株主様が言ってるのにね。
>>756
女子供呼びたくてもメタボでユニホームも着ない黒Tの汚いデブのコアサポみたら行く訳ないじゃん。
762名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Pi7BUyvq0
>>754
自治体に寄生してるってバラされてる
自治体に寄生してるってバラされてる
755木松田卓也ID:+7UO+2gE02023/06/28(水) 07:54:55.06
日本田と厳しいよな
756名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IN7wKpIn02023/06/28(水) 07:56:50.64
Jリーグってナマポ&乞食リーグから脱却しないと不人気のままだと思われ
貧乏臭さくてショボいコンテンツに人気なんか出ない
貧乏臭さくてショボいコンテンツに人気なんか出ない
857名無しさん@恐縮ですID:k33U8MvB0
>>754
まともな運営してないって株主様が言ってるのにね。
まともな運営してないって株主様が言ってるのにね。
>>756
女子供呼びたくてもメタボでユニホームも着ない黒Tの汚いデブのコアサポみたら行く訳ないじゃん。
757名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EOEoDEQi02023/06/28(水) 08:00:42.19
自治体乞食やり過ぎて自治体に嫌われたってギャグだろ
758名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VIDOvDTK02023/06/28(水) 08:04:47.26
少しチームが減っていいよ
今さらスタの基準を下げるのは真面目に作った今までのチームに失礼
甲府さん、さよなら~
今さらスタの基準を下げるのは真面目に作った今までのチームに失礼
甲府さん、さよなら~
761名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pyI78/+k0
>>758
お前のチームが消えてなくなればいい
お前のチームが消えてなくなればいい
768名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VIDOvDTK0
>>761
基準充たしたスタあるよ
基準充たしたスタあるよ
>>764
逆恨みじゃん
764名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pyI78/+k0
>>758
お前まじツラかせよ
歯へし折ってやるからよ
お前まじツラかせよ
歯へし折ってやるからよ
768名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VIDOvDTK0
>>761
基準充たしたスタあるよ
基準充たしたスタあるよ
>>764
逆恨みじゃん
759名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cdd7Xxil02023/06/28(水) 08:12:56.87
なんであんなスタジアムの基準なの?
客が入らないウンコみたいなコンテンツとその利権を貪る連中がいかに税金巻き上げてオイシイ思いするか考えてるから?
客が入らないウンコみたいなコンテンツとその利権を貪る連中がいかに税金巻き上げてオイシイ思いするか考えてるから?
773名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9pafmPD20
>>759
文科省か通産省か忘れたけど国の方針でもあるんだよ
スポーツ興行のインフラ整備すれば産業が振興され国民も活気づくということで、無駄な国体スタジアムを造るのはやめてプロ興行にふさわしい設備をつくろうと
成長産業に位置づけられてる
ハマスタみたいに改革成功して動員増やした例もあるから方針は間違ってない
ただJは川崎とか一部を除いてエンタメ要素が薄くて半日スタジアムで楽しく過ごせる要素がないのが課題
文科省か通産省か忘れたけど国の方針でもあるんだよ
スポーツ興行のインフラ整備すれば産業が振興され国民も活気づくということで、無駄な国体スタジアムを造るのはやめてプロ興行にふさわしい設備をつくろうと
成長産業に位置づけられてる
ハマスタみたいに改革成功して動員増やした例もあるから方針は間違ってない
ただJは川崎とか一部を除いてエンタメ要素が薄くて半日スタジアムで楽しく過ごせる要素がないのが課題
810名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PCPajBly0
>>773
でも北九州とか亀岡とか全然活気付かなかったからな。
でも北九州とか亀岡とか全然活気付かなかったからな。
783名無しさん@恐縮ですID:i5WMemzy0
>>773
>スポーツ興行のインフラ整備すれば産業が振興され国民も活気づく
スポーツとしか指定ないなら別にスタジアムみたいに場所に税金かかる物じゃなくて
格闘技、武道関係とかもっと安く済むものあるだろうに、黒字にならなくても凄い赤字にもならんだろう
>スポーツ興行のインフラ整備すれば産業が振興され国民も活気づく
スポーツとしか指定ないなら別にスタジアムみたいに場所に税金かかる物じゃなくて
格闘技、武道関係とかもっと安く済むものあるだろうに、黒字にならなくても凄い赤字にもならんだろう
884名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7Lj9KcAY0
>>783
そうならせめて自慢が開いている時間使える時間が長くないと意味がなくね
専用スタなんてプロしか使えないじゃん
そうならせめて自慢が開いている時間使える時間が長くないと意味がなくね
専用スタなんてプロしか使えないじゃん
889ID:iEPJEE2L0
>>884
高校野球だとプロが使っている球場で地区予選やってるのになぁ
高校野球だとプロが使っている球場で地区予選やってるのになぁ
896名無しさん@恐縮ですID:THYCouBt0
>>889
兵庫県は甲子園で予選やって土持って帰ろうとして怒られるくらいだし
兵庫県は甲子園で予選やって土持って帰ろうとして怒られるくらいだし
760名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8KHNlIlS02023/06/28(水) 08:14:49.96
チケット代は選手の給料だけに消えていく感じか
763名無しさん@恐縮ですID:vjrAPBOy02023/06/28(水) 08:19:59.39
Jリーグって地方で役に立たない公共事業費を
出すようなもんだな
出すようなもんだな
765名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0Oh01/3h02023/06/28(水) 08:22:42.96
Bリーグみたいに、平均動員数が多い→経営状態がいい→スタジアムが用意できるという視点で、Jリーグクラブをスクリーニングするべき
貧しいクラブがいくら増えてもいいことなんか何もない
766名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CVe0JuUf02023/06/28(水) 08:23:29.46
各地で相次ぐバブル期設定のビジネスモデル破綻の証明のひとつ
J側もスタジアム基準再検討か交渉かわからんけどとにかく動けよって思うわ
J側もスタジアム基準再検討か交渉かわからんけどとにかく動けよって思うわ
769名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EOEoDEQi02023/06/28(水) 08:28:22.53
そもそもガラガラなんだからスタジアム基準とか要らないだろ
770名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CxNoic2702023/06/28(水) 08:30:43.18
Bリーグのアリーナ作ったほうがいい
試合無い日は市民に開放できるし災害時の避難場所になる
試合無い日は市民に開放できるし災害時の避難場所になる
バスケは男女合わせるとサッカーより競技経験人口が多いからまずこっちじゃないの
777名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9epz+C590
>>770
笹川スポーツ財団調べの成人競技人口(年1回以上実施、2018年)は
サッカー436万人(男346万人・女86万人)
バスケ 218万人(男145万人・女70万人)
野球 384万人(男361万人・女11万人)
全体と男女計との誤差は性別不明分かも
https://www.ssf.or.jp/thinktank/sports_life/data/index.html
笹川スポーツ財団調べの成人競技人口(年1回以上実施、2018年)は
サッカー436万人(男346万人・女86万人)
バスケ 218万人(男145万人・女70万人)
野球 384万人(男361万人・女11万人)
全体と男女計との誤差は性別不明分かも
https://www.ssf.or.jp/thinktank/sports_life/data/index.html
日本のスポーツ競技人口の推移など「データでみる日本のスポーツ」
日本国内のスポーツ種目・競技別の実施率や推計競技人口の推移など、スポーツに関するさまざまデータを1992年から実施する「スポーツ活動に関する全国調査」により把握。
www.ssf.or.jp
772名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Timq+yWn02023/06/28(水) 08:31:37.70
時代に合わせて変わらず30年前の商売のまま
自ら金を稼ぐ方法を考えない
自ら金を稼ぐ方法を考えない
そりゃ誰も見向きもしなくなるわ
応援するのが恥ずかしいプロとはコレのこと
774名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tdcjhc6902023/06/28(水) 08:33:08.23
Jリーグがスタや施設の基準を緩和すりゃいいんだよ
時代に見合わないハイスペックをクラブと自治体に要求し続けるから、クラブもサポーターも現実を直視しない
時代に見合わないハイスペックをクラブと自治体に要求し続けるから、クラブもサポーターも現実を直視しない
776名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VIDOvDTK0
>>774
今までの基準で真面目に建てた方への補償して欲しいんだが
今までの基準で真面目に建てた方への補償して欲しいんだが
785名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tdcjhc690
>>776
百年構想を金科玉条にしてる連中が誤り認める訳ナイナイ
この辺の病理はは九条教に相通ずる。あくまで当時の時代背景で生まれたに過ぎない綱領が年月経つにすれ神聖不可侵になって正常な判断を奪う
百年構想を金科玉条にしてる連中が誤り認める訳ナイナイ
この辺の病理はは九条教に相通ずる。あくまで当時の時代背景で生まれたに過ぎない綱領が年月経つにすれ神聖不可侵になって正常な判断を奪う
860名無しさん@恐縮ですID:k33U8MvB0
>>776
補填先の相手はクラブじゃなくて自治体にだよな。
補填先の相手はクラブじゃなくて自治体にだよな。
863名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VIDOvDTK0
>>860
そう
そう
田舎のプロスポーツって実際行政の協力無しには無理よ
甲府は知事の考えを変えさせられないならやっぱり持続不能だと思う
775名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oYWNf6cr02023/06/28(水) 08:38:25.00
スタジアム増やすならスタジアム基準緩和するか成績での昇降格無くすかの2択なんだよなぁ
北九州じゃねーけどスタ出来ましたJFL落ちですとか話にならん
たたでさえスタジアム出来ると成績低迷しがちなのに
778名無しさん@恐縮ですID:L+nA5/Kb02023/06/28(水) 08:45:19.03
なんでもいいけど身の丈に合ったことすれば?
理解されないのはお前らが客集めてお金落とさせる歯車になってないというただ一点だけだろ
理解されないのはお前らが客集めてお金落とさせる歯車になってないというただ一点だけだろ
780名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yBYuK9Wq02023/06/28(水) 08:54:31.26
まずそのクラブチームに持続可能性があるのかね
30年前の最盛期と今を見比べたら30年後は悲観的にならざるを得ないと思うが
30年前の最盛期と今を見比べたら30年後は悲観的にならざるを得ないと思うが
781名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wGN2oD+i02023/06/28(水) 08:55:13.95
本当にサッカーはクソだな
税金にたかるだけ
自力でできないゴミ人間の集まり
税金にたかるだけ
自力でできないゴミ人間の集まり
786名無しさん@恐縮ですID:g/H+Gf5Z0
>>781
八百坂先生のおっしゃる通りだと思います
八百坂先生のおっしゃる通りだと思います
789名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QJypqNMR02023/06/28(水) 08:59:29.35
総合球技場もないのかよw 山梨県は貧乏ズラ
ろくすっぽ使わない陸上競技場作るだけで精いっぱいズラ
ろくすっぽ使わない陸上競技場作るだけで精いっぱいズラ
796名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rSymHav702023/06/28(水) 09:04:38.07
これスタジアム使用料まともに支払ったら一瞬で潰れるクラブばっかなんじゃないの?
801名無しさん@恐縮ですID:o4Msh/pL0
>>796
スタジアム建設から税金頼みです。
スタジアム建設から税金頼みです。
797名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3QU9+c6D0
>>796
ほとんどのチームがそうだよ
もしかしたら全チームがそうかも
ほとんどのチームがそうだよ
もしかしたら全チームがそうかも
799名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jKb5cZCb0
>>796
柏と磐田くらいしか残らんのではと言われてるな
柏と磐田くらいしか残らんのではと言われてるな
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