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653名無しさん@恐縮ですID:H70jAqAm02023/06/27(火) 22:48:54.62
2023/06/02
【Jリーグ】湘南OB反発も…新スタジアム計画「税金の無駄遣い」「湘南側の提案内容が幼稚すぎる」「行政は奴隷じゃない」★2 [八百坂先生★]
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6/17
【Jリーグ】湘南ベルマーレ新スタジアム計画 平塚市「総合公園内受け入れられない」 市議会で答弁 [八百坂先生★]
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6/10
【サッカー】再びJ2で羽ばたくには“基準を満たした”スタジアムが必要 タイムリミット迫る中「新築」か「改修」か…【岩手発】 [愛の戦士★]
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6/23
【サッカー】横浜FC親会社が三ツ沢“新スタジアム”の提案を取り下げ「法規制や事業採算性などを熟慮の結果、想定計画の実現は困難」 [梵天丸★]
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2023/05/21
【Jリーグ】「J」の価値、再定義の道 「君たちは『ゼイリーグ』だ。どれだけ税金を使うんだ」「悪質商法みたいだ」★5 [八百坂先生★]

971名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yUjl7K1t0
>>653
6/28
【サッカー】「新スタジアム」2026年度工事着手へ 近くJリーグに意向表明書を提出 秋田市 [ゴアマガラ★]
【サッカー】「新スタジアム」2026年度工事着手へ 近くJリーグに意向表明書を提出 秋田市 [ゴアマガラ★]
972名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4cfAeaxg0
>>971
トウホグとか人いなくなるのにどうすんの?
655名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jNVCUuYg02023/06/27(火) 22:49:28.62
ほんと笑えるよ、Jはスタジアムで躓いてばかりで。
比較的すんなりいったの長崎くらいじゃないの?
657名無しさん@恐縮ですID:H5RAUCmr02023/06/27(火) 22:49:48.77
玉突きで甲府の減免無くなるから反対ってことか、本拠地整備って話でもなくてただの総合運動場って話なのかな?

大都市でもないし本当に無駄な使い道だろ。

660名無しさん@恐縮ですID:q1IsAD3002023/06/27(火) 22:51:25.15
徐々に日本経済の不景気今までの自治体に寄生するやり方が難しくなってきてるというか嫌がられてる感じがする
661名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zsD9yBqZ02023/06/27(火) 22:52:12.20
スレタイなぎら健壱に見えた
663名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UgdAnN5302023/06/27(火) 22:54:08.34
Jリーグその物が大丈夫なの?と思わずには居られないんだが・・・ただの過渡期なら良いが
664名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NNKsmqLQ0
>>663
豚双六やきうは地球全域で死滅済みなのは知ってるよ(笑)

そもそも最初から地球全域で影も形もないしな(笑)

665名無しさん@恐縮ですID:31zrJVWa02023/06/27(火) 22:58:37.81
ちょっとご病気の方がいらっしゃるね…
666名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NNKsmqLQ0
>>665
認知症の後期高齢者が自己紹介してるね(笑)

こいつ本気でW豚Cをアメリカ人の殆どが見てて
ガラガラオオタニとかアメリカ人全員が知ってるって
本気で信じ込んでるんだよな(笑)

マジで頭がおかしいよお前(笑)

669名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zJ2herFa02023/06/27(火) 23:05:18.62
WBCからサカ豚の発狂が止まんねーなww
673名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NNKsmqLQ0
>>669
そりゃ真実知れば発狂が止まらなくなるよな(笑)

まぁ豚双六やきうなんか見てる老人はアホしかいないから
W豚C見てたアメリカのたった500万人が
アメリカの総人口の何パーセントにあたるなんて算数も出来ないから
仕方ないのはわかるよ(笑)

ちなみにアメリカの人口は3億3200万人なのを教えてやるよ(笑)

【視聴率】WBC決勝、地上波放送なしも全米で平均497万人、大谷対トラウトは650万人が視聴 ★2
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WBCは大成功…でも米国では「誰も知らない。残念ながら」 専門家ズバリ ★4

671名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2ZdBNk8q02023/06/27(火) 23:08:11.70
悪質商法さん…

「君たちは『ゼイリーグ』だ。どれだけ税金を使うんだ」。赴いた先の地方でなじられ、前Jリーグチェアマンの村井満は頭を下げた。
「Jと関わると抜けられない。悪質商法みたいだ」と笑えない冗談を投げかけられもした。

672名無しさん@恐縮ですID:31zrJVWa02023/06/27(火) 23:08:49.29
行政はこういう人を野放しにしてはいけないと思うのよ
677名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kksP6+yr02023/06/27(火) 23:29:31.88
WBCですらアメリカ人誰も見てないしそれより興味ないだろうリーグに何万も入る様なスタジアムなんかいらないよね
678名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CStpOUkD02023/06/27(火) 23:30:34.75
リニアが出来れば球戯場に全国から客が来る
680名無しさん@恐縮ですID:p0Tcj+Zw02023/06/27(火) 23:34:42.08
WBC決勝でも520万人とか行くからな
ちなみにNHLファイナルは270万人、NBAオールスターは459万人だったよ
681名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OPg7EVLk0
>>680
普通にアメフトの次だな
682名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sXX+otq/02023/06/27(火) 23:38:37.21
2020年にカンセキスタジアムとちぎという陸上競技場を知事の公約どおり作ってるがな
686名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/JLz2snm02023/06/27(火) 23:57:25.16
Jのスタジアム要件が現実見てなさ過ぎ
サッカーは不人気で採算性悪いんだって自覚をちゃんと持つべき
687名無しさん@恐縮ですID:selOsCIP02023/06/27(火) 23:59:56.67
Jクラブが独り立ちするには
DAZNから今の10倍の放映権料をふんだくる
またはチケット代を今の20倍程度にするしか方法がない
688名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Qnka64Vd02023/06/28(水) 00:00:20.47
今の税リーグではどんなに立派なスタジアムを作ろうがどうせガラガラだからな
キャパとか陸上トラックを不人気の言い訳にしてるだけだろ
689名無しさん@恐縮ですID:M36eODWm02023/06/28(水) 00:02:43.57
コロナ禍で客離れたし
身の丈に合ったやり方すればええよ
その辺の陸上競技場で十分やろ
691名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EOEoDEQi02023/06/28(水) 00:04:31.65
もう自治体に寄生するやり方は限界にきてるのでは…
692名無しさん@恐縮ですID:M36eODWm02023/06/28(水) 00:07:00.28
自治体におんぶにだっこで商売するの
もうやめて
身の丈に合ったやり方すればいい
693名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sSbDsKgm02023/06/28(水) 00:07:06.39
野球は12球団しかないって言うなら
自分達でスタジアム賄える程度のチーム数になるまで減らしたらいいんじゃないか?
多すぎるってことだろう
701名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dCt2jjyV0
>>693
例えば野球のチームのない県にJリーグのJ2とかJ3のクラブがあっても盛り上がるのほんの一部の県民だけだろ。
野球は12球団でも平日というJリーグや他のスポーツの空白を抑えてるから絶対的に優位なんだよ。
695名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WJlMxPks0
>>693
今頃減らしても
ダービーだのなんだのでさんざん地域間闘争やらされた後に
相手クラブのサポになることはないんじゃないかな
694名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uFUfZ8DD02023/06/28(水) 00:07:15.26
数年前からJリーグいるいらん問題はあったけど
野球がどの球団も黒字経営してると言われ
ついでにBリーグもちゃんとバスケではなくライブ会場や避難所としてスタジアム経営しますとアピールして今の所はトントン拍子に向かっている
ふるさと納税で潤ってる自治体もあればサッカーに補助金与えて苦戦してる自治体もある
ついでにコロナ禍でエンタメ自体不要不急の産物として言われる

いまのJリーグはあまりにも逆風が多い

696名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EOEoDEQi02023/06/28(水) 00:18:25.23
もうほぼ全部の都道府県にJチーム有って何処もスタジアム問題で自治体困ってるからのう…
更に市町村にもよく分からんJ以外のチームが沢山有るからのう
697名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2pQf7aby02023/06/28(水) 00:21:26.80
Jリーグの問題は、個別席15000、屋根付き、天然芝っていう無謀なスタジアム要件にほとんど帰着される。
J1の数が多いとしても、地方の貧乏クラブでもなんとか維持できる程度のスタジアムでもいいということにすれば、まぁなんとかなる。
698名無しさん@恐縮ですID:vVmGcXk502023/06/28(水) 00:24:50.31
Jリーグってこのままズルズルと自治体寄生を続けるつもりなんだろうか
例えばこの前浦和がAFCを取ったけどまともな感性してたら今まで悪名を轟かせた分市に賞金を寄付するとかあってもよさそうなのにそういったことひとつも聞かないもんな
714名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ysy5DPzM0
>>698
賞金はチーム強化以外に使っちゃだめっって規定あるんでね?w
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