100名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ixzgvysn02023/06/26(月) 20:33:41.80
よく考えたら今で言う田中青みたいなもんだもんな
田中がバロンドール取れたと思うと凄い時代だ
田中がバロンドール取れたと思うと凄い時代だ
101名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:P2e7IlCf02023/06/26(月) 20:34:15.63
ハーランドもエンバペも陸上選手のようなもの
102名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6egB9HAY02023/06/26(月) 20:34:31.25
さすがジダン
雑魚だったくせに俺らの時代は凄かったと吹聴しているドーハ世代も見習ってほしいね
雑魚だったくせに俺らの時代は凄かったと吹聴しているドーハ世代も見習ってほしいね
103名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZeQY8MJP02023/06/26(月) 20:34:36.08
いやマジか
俺がサッカーしてたとき好きな選手No.2だったわ
ジダンはテクニックだけじゃなくフィジカルも化け物のイメージだったが、本人がこれ言っちゃうなら今のほうがレベル高いんやね
俺がサッカーしてたとき好きな選手No.2だったわ
ジダンはテクニックだけじゃなくフィジカルも化け物のイメージだったが、本人がこれ言っちゃうなら今のほうがレベル高いんやね
107名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>103
実際試合で戦って結果も出しようが無いから上も下も無いぞアホ
実際試合で戦って結果も出しようが無いから上も下も無いぞアホ
昔と今のサッカーの違いを語ってるだけだぞ
104名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qMkyBq4D02023/06/26(月) 20:35:12.40
エトー
ネドベドカモラネージ
ダービッツマケレレアルメイダ
ソリンマスチェラーノバレージカフー
ネドベドカモラネージ
ダービッツマケレレアルメイダ
ソリンマスチェラーノバレージカフー
106名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/1VG/txp02023/06/26(月) 20:35:39.52
カンガルー雑魚すぎ草ww
108名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:P2e7IlCf02023/06/26(月) 20:36:28.94
バレーなんかも昔の試合を見るとかなりレベルが低い
110名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:INdpA1xr02023/06/26(月) 20:37:57.62
レコバやルイコスタは通用しないだろうね
後ベロンも
後ベロンも
111名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:BFXaf/BO02023/06/26(月) 20:38:10.52
ユベントスでガリガリやってたんだから今でも行けそうだけどな
112名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/1VG/txp02023/06/26(月) 20:38:43.64
待って！このぶんだと準決勝兄国U-17の胸を借りれるんじゃない？
115名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:v2AeNeKS02023/06/26(月) 20:40:15.12
ジダンはフィジカル強かったから今の時代にいて今のトレーニングしてたら通用してたと思う
とりあえず現代サッカーがフィジカル前提になってるのは間違いなくてプレミア式サッカーが最前線
フィジカルとスピードというのがまずあって、これは元々あったけど、今のプレミアはこれにテクニック持った選手がドンドン入ってきて
戦術はもはや下位でも単純な縦ポンではないほどに綿密に考えられている
128名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KNoVz6Pc0
>>115
プレミア式というか戦術を突き詰めたら
選手一人一人がフィジカル（当たりの強さ、スピード、運動量などの総合力）を持たなきゃいけないというのは
単純な話なんだよね
昔はそれくらいに戦術レベルが低くてピッチ上に余裕があったから
走れない選手やガリだけど上手い選手を置いて
労働係の他の選手でカバーするとという方法も取れた
プレミア式というか戦術を突き詰めたら
選手一人一人がフィジカル（当たりの強さ、スピード、運動量などの総合力）を持たなきゃいけないというのは
単純な話なんだよね
昔はそれくらいに戦術レベルが低くてピッチ上に余裕があったから
走れない選手やガリだけど上手い選手を置いて
労働係の他の選手でカバーするとという方法も取れた
116名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0w4BBcB102023/06/26(月) 20:40:45.43
DFがジダンのフィジカルでジダンの間合いに持ち込まれると
簡単なフェイクで抜かれてたよな
当然一瞬のキレの速さがないと出来ない芸当
簡単なフェイクで抜かれてたよな
当然一瞬のキレの速さがないと出来ない芸当
117名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0bD+gu/C02023/06/26(月) 20:40:54.15
ジダンと年齢と体格が大体同じのワイ、笑ったw
120名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4uu/+Mdm02023/06/26(月) 20:41:31.38
お前も強かったけどな
そしてそのお前ともっと強いビエラをふっ飛ばした中田
そしてそのお前ともっと強いビエラをふっ飛ばした中田
122名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Y4mvGb5G02023/06/26(月) 20:42:23.85
それは示談の時代も含めてそうだよね
日本もテクニック重視でやってたジーコとザックのチームはガチの勝負では全然ダメで泥臭く身体を張った時だけ決勝トーナメントに進んでる
日本もテクニック重視でやってたジーコとザックのチームはガチの勝負では全然ダメで泥臭く身体を張った時だけ決勝トーナメントに進んでる
123名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:15a+uVS002023/06/26(月) 20:42:30.82
ジダンってフィジカル活かした司令塔で現代サッカーの象徴みたいなプレイヤーだったのにな。
本人から見るとまだまだ過渡期だったって事か。
本人から見るとまだまだ過渡期だったって事か。
125名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OHbEnTfz02023/06/26(月) 20:43:47.29
余裕で順応するだろ
監督もやれるんだし
監督もやれるんだし
126名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+Nh67VSu02023/06/26(月) 20:43:56.35
鎌田みたいなのがいるんだから昔の選手が現代にいたら通用しないとか言われてもそんなことねえよって感じるよな
129名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Te3zDJ9m0
>>126
フランクフルトでもフィジカルテスト最低ランクらしいな
フランクフルトでもフィジカルテスト最低ランクらしいな
142名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KNoVz6Pc0
>>126
鎌田はトップオブトップではないからな
鎌田はトップオブトップではないからな
127名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:prqDAGz102023/06/26(月) 20:44:05.35
セリエAからリーガに移るときに捨て台詞はいたからイタリアの選手に絡まれたんやろ
現役の時は好き放題言うなよ
現役の時は好き放題言うなよ
130名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:J5VCOMQA02023/06/26(月) 20:44:45.16
メッシってフィジカル強いの？
132名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZeQY8MJP0
>>130
話し合いの余地がないくらい強いよ
話し合いの余地がないくらい強いよ
133名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:p7hhJGZq02023/06/26(月) 20:46:22.57
ジダンって元々フィジカルでもかなり強かったろ。
ごつい体してたし。
むしろごつくてハゲてんのにテクニックが凄いからインパクトがあった。
147名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZeQY8MJP0
>>133
あの化け物みたいなトラップはフィジカルがないと出来んからな
バランス崩してるように見えて相手抜くし、今でも通用すると思うけどなぁ
あの化け物みたいなトラップはフィジカルがないと出来んからな
バランス崩してるように見えて相手抜くし、今でも通用すると思うけどなぁ
135名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:40uQfy4K02023/06/26(月) 20:46:31.77
自分を控え目に評価し過ぎw
フィジカル、バランス感覚は滅茶苦茶優れてたやろ
今の時代でも全盛期のジダンはヤバい
137名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JATMj3mn02023/06/26(月) 20:46:42.56
ジダンってフィジカル強いだろ
138名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:v2AeNeKS02023/06/26(月) 20:46:49.81
ファンタジスタみたいなテクニック中心の選手は今じゃあっという間にガチムチDF2～3人に囲まれておしまいよ
一昔前は守備免除のFWとか当たり前だったけど今じゃCFまで戻ってきて守備するの当たり前だし
なんなら最前線からプレスかけて守備してるし
一昔前は守備免除のFWとか当たり前だったけど今じゃCFまで戻ってきて守備するの当たり前だし
なんなら最前線からプレスかけて守備してるし
152名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:86kaMk070
>>138
バッジオあたりはキツイということかな
バッジオあたりはキツイということかな
155名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6egB9HAY0
>>152
バッジョは当時でもトップレベルではきつかった印象
バッジョは当時でもトップレベルではきつかった印象
145名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GwF5NoC60
>>138
交代枠を8とかにしたら復権あるかな？
ハードチャージされるからますます無理か
交代枠を8とかにしたら復権あるかな？
ハードチャージされるからますます無理か
139名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Vl7pF2zc02023/06/26(月) 20:46:53.68
昔よりつまらん言うやついるけど現代サッカーのレベルが上がりすぎてヤムチャ視点になってるだけだよな
140名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eY44fRAg02023/06/26(月) 20:47:29.30
野球とかサッカーは地味でも今の方が昔より
圧倒的に強いと思うけど
マイケルジョーダンとかセナとかマンセルの時代の
F1ドライバーなんかは今でも活躍する気するけどね
圧倒的に強いと思うけど
マイケルジョーダンとかセナとかマンセルの時代の
F1ドライバーなんかは今でも活躍する気するけどね
141名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6egB9HAY02023/06/26(月) 20:47:34.22
デブライネってホント凄いよ
カウンターでもポゼッションでも半端ない
ウインガーでも1流だしベッカム以上のクロッサーだし
思春期にジダン見て育った世代だけどあんなに得点に絡むMFいなかったなぁ
イニシャビ、ジダンより上だと思うね
カウンターでもポゼッションでも半端ない
ウインガーでも1流だしベッカム以上のクロッサーだし
思春期にジダン見て育った世代だけどあんなに得点に絡むMFいなかったなぁ
イニシャビ、ジダンより上だと思うね
144名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/1VG/txp02023/06/26(月) 20:48:20.42
おばあちゃんがゆってたけどジダンってそもそもアルジェリア人の移民だからアフリカ人じゃない？
146名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0kRahgmX02023/06/26(月) 20:48:51.34
フィジカルとか日本語で言えよ
149名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lO0iDrS502023/06/26(月) 20:49:26.78
昔みたいに取り敢えずコイツに預けておけばみたいなサッカーじゃなくなったね
デブライネやモドリッチも色々動き回ってスペース作ったり守備してるからな
デブライネやモドリッチも色々動き回ってスペース作ったり守備してるからな
173名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>158
言ってる通りだな
>>149みたいな今の時代の方が強いとか言ってる知ったかニワカはもう反論出来んだろこれ
言ってる通りだな
>>149みたいな今の時代の方が強いとか言ってる知ったかニワカはもう反論出来んだろこれ
158名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JATMj3mn0
>>149
今でもアルゼンチンやフランスもメッシやエムバペに預けりゃ良いって感じだけど
今でもアルゼンチンやフランスもメッシやエムバペに預けりゃ良いって感じだけど
179名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aSVeZ5KW0
>>158
でPSGはどうなった？
ニワカすっこんでろ
でPSGはどうなった？
ニワカすっこんでろ
182名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>179
CLより遥かに価値の高いワールドカップ若くしてもう取ってるぞ
>>181
ジダンはどっちがレベル上なんか一言も言ってないぞ?
お前日本語不自由なのか?
CLより遥かに価値の高いワールドカップ若くしてもう取ってるぞ
>>181
ジダンはどっちがレベル上なんか一言も言ってないぞ?
お前日本語不自由なのか?
194名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KNoVz6Pc0
>>182
このジダンの話を読んでそう感じるなら本物のガイジじゃんww
このジダンの話を読んでそう感じるなら本物のガイジじゃんww
199名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>194
>ジダンはどっちがレベル上なんか一言も言ってない
>ジダンはどっちがレベル上なんか一言も言ってない
お前の負け
373名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4VvG4uOi0
>>199
横からだがお前の負けだぞｗ
横からだがお前の負けだぞｗ
173名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>158
言ってる通りだな
>>149みたいな今の時代の方が強いとか言ってる知ったかニワカはもう反論出来んだろこれ
言ってる通りだな
>>149みたいな今の時代の方が強いとか言ってる知ったかニワカはもう反論出来んだろこれ
175名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KNoVz6Pc0
>>158
PSGがCL取れてないから話にならない
PSGがCL取れてないから話にならない
180名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>175
CLより遥かに価値の高いワールドカップ若くしてもう取ってるぞ
CLより遥かに価値の高いワールドカップ若くしてもう取ってるぞ
296名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Bk1OI+/N0
>>180
おまえ全部エンバペに預けてあいつのおかげで勝ったと思ってんのか。
かなり頭悪いな。あん時はカンテやポグバがいただろ。ヴァランも病み上がり。
おまえ全部エンバペに預けてあいつのおかげで勝ったと思ってんのか。
かなり頭悪いな。あん時はカンテやポグバがいただろ。ヴァランも病み上がり。
307名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>296
エムバペがいなかったらとてもじゃないが優勝は無理だぞ
エムバペがいなかったらとてもじゃないが優勝は無理だぞ
359名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Bk1OI+/N0
あ、>>296じゃなくて>>307へのレスなスマン。
359名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Bk1OI+/N0
あ、>>296じゃなくて>>307へのレスなスマン。
351名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Bk1OI+/N0
>>296
だからどうした？
結局ポグバ、カンテ、万全のヴァランを欠いたら優勝出来なかった。
エンバペとて現代サッカーでは限界あるんだよ。因みにメッシは更に酷くて、
この前のアルゼンチンは全7試合中5試合でPK貰ってる。
母国開催ですらこんな恵まれた優勝国無い。因みに準々決勝から決勝まで、
連続でPKを貰えた国はW杯史上初らしい。明らかメッシ忖度が働いてる。
何がメッシに預けとけばなんとかなるだよｗｗｗ
だからどうした？
結局ポグバ、カンテ、万全のヴァランを欠いたら優勝出来なかった。
エンバペとて現代サッカーでは限界あるんだよ。因みにメッシは更に酷くて、
この前のアルゼンチンは全7試合中5試合でPK貰ってる。
母国開催ですらこんな恵まれた優勝国無い。因みに準々決勝から決勝まで、
連続でPKを貰えた国はW杯史上初らしい。明らかメッシ忖度が働いてる。
何がメッシに預けとけばなんとかなるだよｗｗｗ
372名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>351
全部言い訳だらけやなお前
エムバペメッシがいたから優勝出来たのは事実だぞ
全部言い訳だらけやなお前
エムバペメッシがいたから優勝出来たのは事実だぞ
482名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Bk1OI+/N0
>>372
忖度で優勝したのと預けといて優勝したのは全然違うぞ？ｗ
忖度で優勝したのと預けといて優勝したのは全然違うぞ？ｗ
485名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>482
言い訳もっと続けろよ雑魚
言い訳もっと続けろよ雑魚
497名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Bk1OI+/N0
>>485
言い訳するまでも無いからしないだけだろｗ
本当頭悪いなｗ
言い訳するまでも無いからしないだけだろｗ
本当頭悪いなｗ
185名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aSVeZ5KW0
>>180
CLより遥かに価値あるってメッシ取るまで言ってなかったよなｗｗｗ
CLより遥かに価値あるってメッシ取るまで言ってなかったよなｗｗｗ
190名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>185
いや俺は言ってたぞ?
俺が言って無かった証拠どこにあるんだ?
出して見な?
出せないならお前の負けな
いや俺は言ってたぞ?
俺が言って無かった証拠どこにあるんだ?
出して見な?
出せないならお前の負けな
187名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KNoVz6Pc0
>>180
ああ、CLよりワールドカップの方が戦術レベル高いと思い込んでるガイジだったか
ああ、CLよりワールドカップの方が戦術レベル高いと思い込んでるガイジだったか
193名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>187
>価値の高い
>価値の高い
日本語お前不自由なのか?
204名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KNoVz6Pc0
>>193
お前がPSGがCL取れてないという話にワールドカップを持ち出してきたんだろう
ワールドカップのレベルがCLより上とでも思ってなければおかしいじゃん
まあただのガイジなんだろうな
お前がPSGがCL取れてないという話にワールドカップを持ち出してきたんだろう
ワールドカップのレベルがCLより上とでも思ってなければおかしいじゃん
まあただのガイジなんだろうな
205名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>204
ジダンの話を歪曲したお前の負けで終了だぞもう
ジダンの話を歪曲したお前の負けで終了だぞもう
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