700名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:05:53.80
ジダンは図体デカいけどアジリティとか無さそうだしな
その辺をいってるんだろ
その辺をいってるんだろ
701名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:06:45.85
フィジカルって体格とは別だからな
703名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9Vw/ah3u02023/06/27(火) 00:08:23.20
今のサッカーはテクニックとスピードを潰すサッカーだからな
しょーもない
しょーもない
704名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1r8CEg4602023/06/27(火) 00:09:52.44
ジタンは今の時代ならボランチかCMFだし
もっと走らないとだしスタミナ持たない
そういう意味でのフィジカルだろ
もっと走らないとだしスタミナ持たない
そういう意味でのフィジカルだろ
705名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:10:24.09
敏捷性を示すアジリティもフィジカルに入るからな
ジダンはアジリティは無いでしょ
ジダンはアジリティは無いでしょ
718名無しさん@恐縮ですID:djcIwjK60
>>705
アジリティーないけど
まるで数秒後の世界が見えてるかのように無駄のない動きで
相手を翻すトラップやドリブル
頭良いんだろうなぁって思ったなぁ
なぜか相手DFがジダンの動きを見てから逆方向に動いてるかのようで
アジリティーないけど
まるで数秒後の世界が見えてるかのように無駄のない動きで
相手を翻すトラップやドリブル
頭良いんだろうなぁって思ったなぁ
なぜか相手DFがジダンの動きを見てから逆方向に動いてるかのようで
720名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O0
>>718
サッカーIQめちゃくちゃ高いよね
大きい体でのっそりしたフェイントなんだけど誰もボールに触れないという摩訶不思議だったからな
トラップの段階で相手の逆をついてたりね
サッカーIQめちゃくちゃ高いよね
大きい体でのっそりしたフェイントなんだけど誰もボールに触れないという摩訶不思議だったからな
トラップの段階で相手の逆をついてたりね
707名無しさん@恐縮ですID:BoNew6eQ02023/06/27(火) 00:10:58.11
今はどんなトップアタッカーもよく走るからな
守備免除なんてメッシ、ムバッペクラスのスペシャルな選手だけ
守備免除なんてメッシ、ムバッペクラスのスペシャルな選手だけ
708名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9Vw/ah3u02023/06/27(火) 00:11:18.71
ハーランドが時代を象徴してる
あれだけのフィジカルがないと目立たない
あれだけのフィジカルがないと目立たない
709名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:11:25.85
フィジカル
サッカーにおける「フィジカル」の意味は、いわゆる「身体が大きい」「筋肉がある」ではなく、日本では一般的に選手の「体力の有る、無し」や「体幹の強さ、弱さ」「持久力」「柔軟性」「敏捷性(アジリティー)」などを指す。総合的な身体能力のこと。
サッカーにおける「フィジカル」の意味は、いわゆる「身体が大きい」「筋肉がある」ではなく、日本では一般的に選手の「体力の有る、無し」や「体幹の強さ、弱さ」「持久力」「柔軟性」「敏捷性(アジリティー)」などを指す。総合的な身体能力のこと。
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711名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5R8YQMID02023/06/27(火) 00:13:08.17
ジダンが言ってるのは主に走力的なフィジカルな気がするけどな
マドリー時代くらいから70分以降について言われてたし
マドリー時代くらいから70分以降について言われてたし
712名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:13:48.11
ジダンのマルセイユルーレットっていつ見てものっそりとして不安定そうな体勢でボール捌いてるよな
713名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:15:51.70
昔にはなくて今必要とされるフィジカルなので
全員で守備するための走る持久力とか、あとはシステマティックな動きする時のアジリティだとか
そんなのじゃないの
身体の当たりの強さのことを言ってるのでは無さそう
全員で守備するための走る持久力とか、あとはシステマティックな動きする時のアジリティだとか
そんなのじゃないの
身体の当たりの強さのことを言ってるのでは無さそう
ジダンは当たりの強さはあったからな
714名無しさん@恐縮ですID:BlnGV4qQ02023/06/27(火) 00:16:45.71
昔の日本代表なんか当たり負けしまくってたよな
体幹弱すぎ
体幹弱すぎ
715名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lsVP+QH902023/06/27(火) 00:17:06.49
いやいや今の時代にいたらそれに対応する体作りやトレーニングを時間をかけてするから
過去の能力傾向のままタイムスリップする必要はないんだよ
過去の能力傾向のままタイムスリップする必要はないんだよ
716名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jcDSwcuI02023/06/27(火) 00:18:20.04
ジダンはフィジカルの部分はマケレレに任せてたからね
719名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:22:14.64
フィジカルトレーニングの根幹的な部分は大差ないと思うけどね
体幹トレーニング一つとっても20年前と根本は一緒だし
バリエーション増えたなって印象
体幹トレーニング一つとっても20年前と根本は一緒だし
バリエーション増えたなって印象
721名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DRhPyuqU02023/06/27(火) 00:25:57.67
いや、今ジダンがいてもすごかったよ
722名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:27:24.04
おれ20年前の体幹て言われ始めた頃に本屋でサッカー選手がやるような体幹トレーニング本買ってやってみたりしてて
最近は中年太りのダイエットにまたサッカー選手をトレーナーとかが出してる体幹本とか買って試すけど、トレーニング内容は昔と今とほとんど変わらないんだよね
たぶんトッププロはYouTube見てても色んなバリエーションをやるようになったな
上からローブ吊るして足を引っ掛けて体幹トレーニングしたりとか。あれはピラティスとかの応用か
最近は中年太りのダイエットにまたサッカー選手をトレーナーとかが出してる体幹本とか買って試すけど、トレーニング内容は昔と今とほとんど変わらないんだよね
たぶんトッププロはYouTube見てても色んなバリエーションをやるようになったな
上からローブ吊るして足を引っ掛けて体幹トレーニングしたりとか。あれはピラティスとかの応用か
723名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ySnMyz4602023/06/27(火) 00:28:21.30
ベルカンプは今いたらどうだろうねジダンより好きだったんだが
728名無しさん@恐縮ですID:y7luB0qK0
>>723
1998ワールドカップ、vsアルゼンチン終了間際ロングフィードを変態トラップから切り返してのゴールはあまりに凄すぎた
1998ワールドカップ、vsアルゼンチン終了間際ロングフィードを変態トラップから切り返してのゴールはあまりに凄すぎた
730名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QVi9byLW0
>>723
クロップが技術的には昔の名手は当然通用するが戦術や守備のために13キロ走れるかどうか
90分走りスタミナが切れる中でも高度な技術を発揮できるかどうかみたいなこと言ってたわ
クロップが技術的には昔の名手は当然通用するが戦術や守備のために13キロ走れるかどうか
90分走りスタミナが切れる中でも高度な技術を発揮できるかどうかみたいなこと言ってたわ
724名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:29:33.80
国内の体幹トレーニングの第一人者は木場さんて人で
昔は長友やなでしこジャパンの指導してて
最近は久保建英の体幹トレーニングの指導してる
小さい頃からだな
基本的にはプランクとかその辺のやつは変わらない
バリエーションが増えた
昔は長友やなでしこジャパンの指導してて
最近は久保建英の体幹トレーニングの指導してる
小さい頃からだな
基本的にはプランクとかその辺のやつは変わらない
バリエーションが増えた
725名無しさん@恐縮ですID:c5sdsUc002023/06/27(火) 00:29:36.12
昔のサッカーの映像見たらガリガリだもんなみんな。ガチムチっぽいの見当たらない
726名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xUayx7Mi02023/06/27(火) 00:30:31.42
マラドーナやペレなんてエルボー膝蹴りタックル喰らいながらドリブルしてたけどな
729名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:33:24.79
ベルカンプも長身だけどジダン同様にフィジカルあったよね
オランダトリオの後の時代だよな
オランダトリオの後の時代だよな
732名無しさん@恐縮ですID:c+sv0ojb02023/06/27(火) 00:36:15.20
でもジダンが今の時代の選手ならきっちりフィジカルも対応していくんでしょ
733名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:36:59.03
今って攻撃の人も守備で走り回らないといけない時代だよな
ジダンは主にそれを言ってるぽいな
ジダンは主にそれを言ってるぽいな
734名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:38:11.58
ジダンてあんまりキビキビ動くイメージないな
攻撃した後にキビキビ走り回って守備こなせるかな笑
攻撃した後にキビキビ走り回って守備こなせるかな笑
735名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ckhhT4RC02023/06/27(火) 00:38:44.97
昔ジェラードって選手いたけど現代だと日本代表にも入れないような感じか
736名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xdOfTlL802023/06/27(火) 00:44:30.32
現代は~とか言ってもフィジカルトレーニング増やす分技術的に下手なんだろうしただのトレードオフ
その時代時代のトレンドってだけだな
その時代時代のトレンドってだけだな
739名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+mU7F6eR0
>>736
試合中のスピードが上がってるという事は
パスの速さも昔より上がってるという事
しっかり止めてしっかり蹴るという基本技術の高さがある事が大前提になってる
試合中のスピードが上がってるという事は
パスの速さも昔より上がってるという事
しっかり止めてしっかり蹴るという基本技術の高さがある事が大前提になってる
737名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:46:14.29
フィジカルゲームになると昔のジダンやロナウジーニョみたいな芸術的なテクニック発揮するスペース無くなるからたしかにトレードオフではあるな
738名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:47:12.14
ウイイレアプリ辞めてしまったけどジダン使ってみたかったな
740名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7uyt/ap002023/06/27(火) 00:49:10.79
昔の選手は運動量でついていけないだろ
チャンスクリエイトが飛び抜けてるデ・ブライネですら走り回ってスペースも埋めてプレスもかけ続ける
チャンスクリエイトが飛び抜けてるデ・ブライネですら走り回ってスペースも埋めてプレスもかけ続ける
741名無しさん@恐縮ですID:R6aH/qOE02023/06/27(火) 00:49:30.11
お前のフィジカルもパネェだろw
足長すぎ
足長すぎ
742名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ow4E2sOD02023/06/27(火) 00:52:54.31
ジダンの世代はまだ喫煙とか飲酒とか普通だったし
今はそんな選手はトップレベルではほとんどいないだろう
今はそんな選手はトップレベルではほとんどいないだろう
743名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QC/LQ7U802023/06/27(火) 00:53:03.94
未だにフィジカルを」当りが強いかどう」かと勘違いしてそうな人が多いこと
744名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Gjy/ytMb02023/06/27(火) 00:53:09.08
かと言って現代の選手が旧時代のトレーニング環境食生活その他で同じ活躍できるかと言うとまた違う
結局その時代に合わせた選手が成功してきたのだ
結局その時代に合わせた選手が成功してきたのだ
745名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VQvWdZlR02023/06/27(火) 00:57:02.08
アリーゴ・サッキのプレッシングが時間とスペースを奪う→選手のアスリート化が進む
90年代の変化
ジダンはその中でもやれてたと思うが
ってかジダンなら今でも通用しそう
90年代の変化
ジダンはその中でもやれてたと思うが
ってかジダンなら今でも通用しそう
746名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 00:58:25.71
バロンドール取ってるレベルならどの時代も通用するだろうな
今は守備もできないとダメだけど
今は守備もできないとダメだけど
747名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WD/r3Zde02023/06/27(火) 00:58:38.96
2005年コンフェデの代表が一番強かったと思う。
ブラジル相手にポゼッションしてたからね
ブラジル相手にポゼッションしてたからね
ttps://youtu.be/DMlnOhsOcDE
748名無しさん@恐縮ですID:BB4/Uw+d02023/06/27(火) 01:00:03.31
20年以上前でも
フィジカルが必要と
言われとったがな
フィジカルが必要と
言われとったがな
749名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dDzVkk9O02023/06/27(火) 01:00:54.43
中田はフィジカル強かったな
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