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【サッカー】ジダン「現代のサッカーはテクニックだけで上に行けない。私がこの時代の選手だったらフィジカルでひどい目に遭っていた」2

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553名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9UQJzmjO02023/06/26(月) 22:49:10.19
でもさあ、最近のおフランス代表ってクロンボばっかりだよな? 生粋のおフランス人捜す方が大変なぐらいw

ジダンもさあ、北アフリカ出身のベルベル人が親やし、おフランス代表ってガイジン助っ人で成り立ってるようなもんやで?

558名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GwF5NoC60
>>553
エリック・カントナはまだしもユーリ・ジョルカエフやジャン・ピエール・パパンとかいかにもおフランスな名前の選手ってなんか良いよね
555名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qMkyBq4D02023/06/26(月) 22:50:40.62
ジーコもプラティニも
イタリア系
最近はジダンみたく
ベルベル系も目立つ
556名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6s0XFL6B02023/06/26(月) 22:50:47.47
守備戦術が昔と今じゃ大違いすぎるから
パっと見の華麗さじゃ緩々だった昔の方が良く見えちゃうんだよね
似たようなのでセットプレーもGKの能力向上と壁の配置の工夫やらで決まりにくくなって
昔の方が凄い事やってるように見える
604名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OHBkIQmr0
>>556
ワールドカップの時に中村憲剛が解説してたところによると今はむしろ攻撃の戦術優位の時代らしいぞ
557名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+Kj65KgZ02023/06/26(月) 22:51:04.97
ジダンは今いても圧倒的だと思う
559名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Z/0XZ8ei02023/06/26(月) 22:52:47.52
フィジカルより個人の戦術眼に頼ったり結果に繋げる事が難しく成ってる様な気がするな
チーム戦術でのタスクや約束事多すぎだろw
563名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2kOlPLXZ0
>>559
そりゃあ組織的に連動して攻めるほうが効果的だからなー
相手のミスを誘いやすい
562名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gmKQM6ua02023/06/26(月) 22:54:32.82
でも去年のCLのレアルみたいに戦術とかインテンシティとか
超越した結果が出るのがまた現代サッカーの面白いところ
564名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jZqTh/IY02023/06/26(月) 22:56:17.36
昔のサッカーてディフェンスはフィジカルコンタクトなくて足出してるだけだけど削りが酷かったよね?
ファンバステン今いたら活躍できるかな?
565名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Te3zDJ9m02023/06/26(月) 22:57:30.70
バルデラマ「私がこの時代にプレーしていたらフィ…」
皆「たしかに」
566名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Te3zDJ9m02023/06/26(月) 22:59:44.76
J2とかだと乾のセクシーフットボール(野州)がまだたまに見れる
567名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6bt3nd8H02023/06/26(月) 23:00:16.13
昔の選手を現代でやらすには子供時代からやりなおしてもらわないとな。逆に揃いすぎてて大成しないやつも出そう
570名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0/iK5c+o02023/06/26(月) 23:00:52.58
テクニックだけの選手は上に行けない理論なら日本人はよく知ってるわ
思い当たる選手多いだろ
571名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yl+X343j02023/06/26(月) 23:04:18.53
今はテクニック不要
勢いとフィジカルで適当にパス回し
たまたま上手くいったらゴールがきまるだけ
ゲームの組み立てなんて一切ない
578名無しさん@恐縮ですID:V+KSKFZo0
>>571
一周回ってそれが本当に強いんじゃないの。理解とか関係無しぐらいの勢いで回してそれに個々がうまく対応できるって感じの
590名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bEN03Kbh0
>>571
いやいや草
グァルディオラ始め今の強豪クラブの戦術の元になっているのはポジショナルトライアングルの組み換えの連続だから適当にパスするような選手はトップチーム入る事すらできないよ
572名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9v71zWZ+02023/06/26(月) 23:04:50.97
じゃあ逆に考えてみようぜ
今みたいに徹底した連携連動約束事がない中に放り込まれたら現代の選手は活躍できるのか?
栗飯はやれそうだが
573名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZIdMAysy02023/06/26(月) 23:04:53.55
ちょっと前に昔のW杯の試合テレビで再放送してたけど高校生レベルの酷い試合だったな
575名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6bw3soG702023/06/26(月) 23:08:07.82
現代サッカー(笑)
現代サッカーを持ち上げるジダンの言葉は信じるけど
昔のサッカーを誉める他の元選手の言葉は信じないと
本当に都合が良い頭だよな
576名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oTWNhUBk02023/06/26(月) 23:08:45.79
サッカー全くわからんけどこのスレめちゃ面白いな
580名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ezIAMRQv02023/06/26(月) 23:12:15.18
ネイマールは異質な存在か
584名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Te3zDJ9m02023/06/26(月) 23:13:49.16
去年子供のチームに三都主がコーチに来てくれたけどめっちゃくちゃ上手かったな。わりとプロなんかも来てくれるんだけど、あのレベルに行く人ってのは普通のプロ(失礼)とはモノが違う。
それがジダンレベルともなると時代を超越するんじゃねーかな
585名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+ZQJjUBl02023/06/26(月) 23:13:53.16
バルサもレアルも審判買収だったからな
検証されてたらpkや退場者おかしな数字だったやん
587名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EF1s/Psl02023/06/26(月) 23:14:22.16
ジダンもフィーゴもロナウジーニョもカカも
余裕で相手吹っ飛ばしていたし凄かった
608名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bEN03Kbh0
>>587
クリロナはユナイテッド時代に全盛期カカのいるミランとCLで対戦してテクニックだけじゃなくてアスリート能力の高さがないとトップレベルの試合では何もできないのを痛感してから肉体改造を本格化させたみたいだな
のちにレアルでチームメイトになる2人でもありカカが怪我でコンディション落としてアスリート能力でロウナウドが上回って主役がカカからロナウドに変わった
588名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Cn53yGb702023/06/26(月) 23:15:09.50
ジダンとメッシどっちが欲しいと言われればジダンだよな
589名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NXZOdNJX02023/06/26(月) 23:15:28.26
レアル・マドリーの監督時代にチームで一番サッカーが上手いのが監督のジダンだったという話が好き
594名無しさん@恐縮ですID:X5fGqUYD0
>>589
ジーコが代表監督のときも散々言われてたなそれ
614名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OHBkIQmr0
>>594
ジーコと日本代表の選手ならそりゃそうだろとしか思わないな
617名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VTCibsX00
>>614
98のブラジル代表にも言われてたジーコ
ロマーリオ外さないでよ…見たかったのに
624名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OHBkIQmr0
>>617
あの当時の現役ブラジル代表より上手かったなら「すげえジーコ!」って素直に思う
626名無しさん@恐縮ですID:X5fGqUYD0
>>614
とっくに使い古されたエピソードなのよね
592名無しさん@恐縮ですID:w5uMKxG302023/06/26(月) 23:15:58.78
競技としてのレベルは上がったかも知れないけど面白くはなくなったってことだろ。
欧州の若者のサッカー離れをレアルのペレス会長も嘆いてたしな。
654名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NXZOdNJX0
>>592
総合格闘技も同じこと言われてたな
黎明期は個性的な選手が多く戦い方も多種多様だったのに研究されていくにつれみんな同じような戦い方をするようになって面白さが減ってしまった
593名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/k2aSUnW02023/06/26(月) 23:16:13.14
今はシステマティックなサッカーだからジダンみたいに1人でこねくり回すのは通用しないわな
ジダンて大柄でフィジカル強そうに見えてよくバランス崩して転けてる
マルセイユルーレットもいつも不安定なんだよな

ジダンの言ってることはあながち間違いではない

595名無しさん@恐縮ですID:MvoUpX2c02023/06/26(月) 23:17:45.31
いやジダン引退するときもロッベンやカカみたいな長身で足早いのも
いたからね それが南アのときの躍進になってるし ブラオラはその時が
最高で以降は選手が微妙のなばっかでしょ?タレントもクリロナベイル
等がいないからレアルもキツイ
597名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+ZQJjUBl02023/06/26(月) 23:18:16.84
でもさジダンやフィーゴみたいな吸い付くようなドリブルするやつらいなくなったよな
サイドの黒人がスピードで抜くだけ
598名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gmKQM6ua02023/06/26(月) 23:18:25.90
細かい部分ではテクニックへの揺り戻しもあると思うけどね
とくにウイングのプレイヤーとか
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