52名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:h79FF4yz02023/06/26(月) 20:09:38.43
フランス人にしては珍しく謙虚な人だから謙遜してるだけでしょ
54名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aSVeZ5KW0
>>52
謙虚？保身に走る頭突き禿だぞ
謙虚？保身に走る頭突き禿だぞ
53名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:v26SaLyY02023/06/26(月) 20:10:19.83
示談フィジカル強かったやろ
55名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:z8zhAKfR02023/06/26(月) 20:11:07.35
マラドーナとかと違って謙虚だな
56名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eY44fRAg02023/06/26(月) 20:11:39.51
ジダンはメンタルの方が弱かったけどね
自分が目の前に行って中指立てたら
殺されてると思う
自分が目の前に行って中指立てたら
殺されてると思う
57名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lO0iDrS502023/06/26(月) 20:12:02.95
ジダンが言ってるこのフィジカルって単純なフィジカルって意味じゃないと思うよ
58名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Ws4QidfJ02023/06/26(月) 20:12:34.07
いやあんたフィジカルもあったやん
ルイコスタとかアイマールあたりが言うならわかるけどw
ルイコスタとかアイマールあたりが言うならわかるけどw
59名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OO/VQxTS02023/06/26(月) 20:12:39.64
ジダン出てくるまではファンタジスタは技術はピカ一だが体格が貧弱なのが普通だったからジダンの当たり負けしないファンタジスタはホント衝撃的だった
60名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:AOQwYIbi02023/06/26(月) 20:12:59.47
カカは現代ならサイドアタッカーやらされそう
62名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1SxnaPEW02023/06/26(月) 20:14:09.62
グアルディオラやブラジルロナウドも同じようなこと言ってたな
ただロナウドはフィジカルあるから通用するだろうが
ただロナウドはフィジカルあるから通用するだろうが
63名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8z6Y6NvE02023/06/26(月) 20:14:23.22
野球も同じやろ
昔は技術や制球力で主力を長く張れても今は無理
打者なら篠塚や投手なら北別府
昔は技術や制球力で主力を長く張れても今は無理
打者なら篠塚や投手なら北別府
64名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fFf+RYhd02023/06/26(月) 20:14:47.51
でもモドリッチとかヒョロヒョロやん
70名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:C1SKqrjQ0
>>64
モドリッチは運動量あるから
モドリッチは運動量あるから
65名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tr4RA9gK02023/06/26(月) 20:15:03.16
禿げとかピカとか酷いスレですねぇ･･･
66名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eY44fRAg02023/06/26(月) 20:15:11.50
あと、昔の人がバナナシュートとか
めっちゃボール曲がるのも何か胡散臭いけどね
シューズとかに仕掛けしてたんじゃないだろうかね
めっちゃボール曲がるのも何か胡散臭いけどね
シューズとかに仕掛けしてたんじゃないだろうかね
239名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yrpHPo4R0
>>66
昔なんて薬ばっかだろうな
昔なんて薬ばっかだろうな
74名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:v26SaLyY0
>>66
普通の球なら素人が蹴ってもわりと曲がるだろ
今の試合球なんかは逆に使うパーツ少なくするためとかで変則的な感じだから無回転の方が驚異的な変化する
普通の球なら素人が蹴ってもわりと曲がるだろ
今の試合球なんかは逆に使うパーツ少なくするためとかで変則的な感じだから無回転の方が驚異的な変化する
78名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eY44fRAg0
>>74
まあボールが違うんだろうね
小学生の時に使ってたモルテンのシルバーのやつは
よく曲がってた記憶がある
まあボールが違うんだろうね
小学生の時に使ってたモルテンのシルバーのやつは
よく曲がってた記憶がある
99名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Z82y8P/k0
>>66
あれはボールの反発が弱いのと多分だけど重さがあって、こする力が十分に伝わったんだろ
時代を経るごとにバレーボールに近づいてる感じだから
あれはボールの反発が弱いのと多分だけど重さがあって、こする力が十分に伝わったんだろ
時代を経るごとにバレーボールに近づいてる感じだから
143名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Ws4QidfJ0
>>66
逆に昔のあの重くて固いボールで曲げれた選手は今のボールならとんでもないシュートできると思うぞ
素人がバレーボール蹴った時みたいに
逆に昔のあの重くて固いボールで曲げれた選手は今のボールならとんでもないシュートできると思うぞ
素人がバレーボール蹴った時みたいに
67名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KNoVz6Pc02023/06/26(月) 20:15:13.75
このフィジカルって接触の強さだけの話じゃないでしょ
日本人がフィジカル＝接触の強さみたいに解釈してるのがアホでね
スピードやスタミナ含めたアスリート能力全般のことを指すだろう
日本人がフィジカル＝接触の強さみたいに解釈してるのがアホでね
スピードやスタミナ含めたアスリート能力全般のことを指すだろう
68名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TaicBJ9502023/06/26(月) 20:16:08.46
昔からだろ
71名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:evs/4eGe02023/06/26(月) 20:16:56.62
バスケットシューズでサッカーをしたら俺が一番、とは言ってたな
いまのトップ選手は科学トレーニングを受けて育ってるからなー
いまのトップ選手は科学トレーニングを受けて育ってるからなー
73名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Z/0XZ8ei02023/06/26(月) 20:17:57.94
今のサッカーは中央だと3人で囲まれる事がデフォだからな・・・
逆に守備の時はその一員に成る為にハードワークせにゃならんひと昔前の選手はゲロ吐くわｗ
逆に守備の時はその一員に成る為にハードワークせにゃならんひと昔前の選手はゲロ吐くわｗ
75名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1SxnaPEW02023/06/26(月) 20:18:26.72
走れない選手は無理だろな
79名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:w5uMKxG302023/06/26(月) 20:21:04.87
だから今のサッカーは興味がない。進化してるのかもしれないけど。
81名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/1VG/txp02023/06/26(月) 20:21:50.25
弟U-17vsカンガルーU-17はどうなってるの？。。。兄U-17につずけそう？
82名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:atwqaSfb02023/06/26(月) 20:21:50.95
スペインにロスタイムドリブル突破でゴール
フランス相手にヘッド2発
FKやボレーで記憶に残るゴール決める化け物やったやないか😲
フランス相手にヘッド2発
FKやボレーで記憶に残るゴール決める化け物やったやないか😲
83名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VZYAKpkU02023/06/26(月) 20:22:16.13
昔はファジカルコンタクトがあればファウルになったけど
今はスルーされるしな
今はスルーされるしな
87名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:v26SaLyY0
>>83
セリエとガツガツぶつかりまくってた記憶あるけど
セリエとガツガツぶつかりまくってた記憶あるけど
84名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eY44fRAg02023/06/26(月) 20:22:46.56
ロマーリオとかエメルソンみたいな
小さくてスピードある系の人は今でも通用しそうだけど
ロナウドとかバティストゥータみたいのは
同じスペックの人多くて競争に負けそう
小さくてスピードある系の人は今でも通用しそうだけど
ロナウドとかバティストゥータみたいのは
同じスペックの人多くて競争に負けそう
85名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8Y0lUlSg02023/06/26(月) 20:23:07.49
ジダンこの時代だったら前線ではなかっただろうな
86名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KfqK2Zsx02023/06/26(月) 20:23:22.54
ファンタジスタが減った理由って何？
もしルール改正が理由で減ったんならまた元のルールに戻せばいいんじゃない？
もしルール改正が理由で減ったんならまた元のルールに戻せばいいんじゃない？
119名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Te3zDJ9m0
>>86
守備戦術が格段に進化したからじゃね。トップ下なんかパサーより鎌田みたいにボランチに落としてスペース作る選手置いたほうが勝てる
守備戦術が格段に進化したからじゃね。トップ下なんかパサーより鎌田みたいにボランチに落としてスペース作る選手置いたほうが勝てる
121名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6egB9HAY0
>>119
鎌田はジダンぽいよなぁ
鎌田はジダンぽいよなぁ
124名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Te3zDJ9m0
>>121
いやそうは全く思わない
いやそうは全く思わない
89名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/1VG/txp02023/06/26(月) 20:25:51.27
イガンインが最後のファンタジスタの末裔じゃない？
90名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:j/lfSEl602023/06/26(月) 20:26:39.17
地団駄踏んでたか
91名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:B9IeTXGt02023/06/26(月) 20:27:21.55
いやジダンの頃からフィジカルサッカーにはなってたろ
むしろジダンは恩恵被ってる側まである
素直に走りたくは無いと言いなさいジズー
むしろジダンは恩恵被ってる側まである
素直に走りたくは無いと言いなさいジズー
92名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yLNnmr2Z02023/06/26(月) 20:27:33.89
ジダンは行けるやろ
ピルロとかは燻ったかもな
ピルロとかは燻ったかもな
93名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GKjHxM+j02023/06/26(月) 20:28:48.83
フィジカル＝髪の毛
94名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:USYYKp8O02023/06/26(月) 20:29:26.52
フィジカルで登り詰めた奴が言うことかよwww
95名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8/oULkuA02023/06/26(月) 20:29:48.84
ドリブラーだったしスピードはあるよ
96名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:86kaMk0702023/06/26(月) 20:31:49.93
この辺がレジェンドたる所以だよな
王貞治も同じようなこと言ってたし
王貞治も同じようなこと言ってたし
105名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eY44fRAg0
>>96
王さんは素質は万波で努力が大谷レベルでしょ
現代に来ても万波とか清宮くらいだよ
王さんは素質は万波で努力が大谷レベルでしょ
現代に来ても万波とか清宮くらいだよ
109名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:86kaMk070
>>105
それはない
王のボール運ぶ技術は王しかできない
それはない
王のボール運ぶ技術は王しかできない
97名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5A02Z/Ur02023/06/26(月) 20:32:11.74
ソダシに見えた
98名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:P2e7IlCf02023/06/26(月) 20:32:46.10
全競技でアスリート化が進んでいるからな
テニスもフィジカル競技になったし
テニスもフィジカル競技になったし
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I strongly recommend steer clear of this site. The experience I had with it was only disappointment and doubts about deceptive behavior. Be extremely cautious, or better yet, find a trustworthy site to meet your needs.
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I urge you to avoid this site. My personal experience with it was only dismay along with concerns regarding fraudulent activities. Proceed with extreme caution, or alternatively, find a more reputable platform to meet your needs.
I urge you steer clear of this platform. The experience I had with it has been purely dismay as well as concerns regarding fraudulent activities. Exercise extreme caution, or alternatively, look for a more reputable platform to meet your needs.
I strongly recommend stay away from this platform. My own encounter with it has been purely frustration along with doubts about scamming practices. Exercise extreme caution, or better yet, look for a more reputable service for your needs.
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I urge you to avoid this site. The experience I had with it was only dismay as well as concerns regarding deceptive behavior. Be extremely cautious, or better yet, find a trustworthy platform to meet your needs.
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