803名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yUYLs/Wp02023/06/27(火) 03:56:09.09
フィジカルの意味で躓くニワカなんて
20年前からいそう
日本の選手は成長しても
底辺の知識は一向に成長せんな
20年前からいそう
日本の選手は成長しても
底辺の知識は一向に成長せんな
804名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yTdBAAw+02023/06/27(火) 04:05:05.60
久保が活躍してるのも、今のチームだからというのはある。
844名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QSaD/lXj0
>>804
違います
違います
805名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DCmV5FPK02023/06/27(火) 04:09:04.63
ごつい体格してただろ
まあ走り回るイメージはないけど
フットワークの話なのかね
まあ走り回るイメージはないけど
フットワークの話なのかね
806名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:djcIwjK602023/06/27(火) 04:17:28.21
ジダンにフィジカル追加したのがポグバでしょ
まー怪我するってことｗ
まー怪我するってことｗ
807名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/5QCMC5S02023/06/27(火) 04:20:59.00
スポ魂商売プップップッのプー
809名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qcpA3MXy02023/06/27(火) 04:32:21.21
確かにズバ抜けた身体能力とテクを併せ持つ久保と比べると
ジダンも並の選手に見えるな
ジダンも並の選手に見えるな
810名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZfAcuWEJ02023/06/27(火) 04:32:36.17
フィジカルの意味理解してないバカはレスしないでくれ
無駄で目障りでしかないから
言語音痴のゴミだらけ
無駄で目障りでしかないから
言語音痴のゴミだらけ
812名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:djcIwjK60
>>810
フィジカルの定義を細かく書いておいてくれよ
今後の議論がはかどるから
フィジカルの定義を細かく書いておいてくれよ
今後の議論がはかどるから
815名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZfAcuWEJ0
>>812
細かくもクソもそのまんまだろw
physical＝身体の(形容詞)
長短の走力とかスタミナとか全部込みの身体能力全般のこと
細かくもクソもそのまんまだろw
physical＝身体の(形容詞)
長短の走力とかスタミナとか全部込みの身体能力全般のこと
817名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:djcIwjK60
>>815
でもサッカーにおいては
持久力とボディバランスの強さは分けて考える人が多いんじゃない？
例えばハーランドはフィジカルがすごい！って言われて
持久力もあるって受け取る人いるかな？
辞書の定義じゃなくてその競技内でどう捉えられてるかが重要な気がする
でもサッカーにおいては
持久力とボディバランスの強さは分けて考える人が多いんじゃない？
例えばハーランドはフィジカルがすごい！って言われて
持久力もあるって受け取る人いるかな？
辞書の定義じゃなくてその競技内でどう捉えられてるかが重要な気がする
818名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:elJ4MRr70
>>817
サッカーでは総合的な身体能力をフィジカルって言ってる
筋力俊敏性等を全て内包して
そのフィジカルと言う枠内で体幹は体幹、持久力は持久力と個々に評価される
サッカーでは総合的な身体能力をフィジカルって言ってる
筋力俊敏性等を全て内包して
そのフィジカルと言う枠内で体幹は体幹、持久力は持久力と個々に評価される
819名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZfAcuWEJ0
>>817
だからそれ自体が日本の間違った認識なんだよバカw
ジダンはじめ向こうの奴が言うフィジカルは>>815だマヌケw
こんな中学英語すら知らない低脳は二度とクソレスすんなや面倒くせー
だからそれ自体が日本の間違った認識なんだよバカw
ジダンはじめ向こうの奴が言うフィジカルは>>815だマヌケw
こんな中学英語すら知らない低脳は二度とクソレスすんなや面倒くせー
829名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CsE7sxgO0
>>819
言葉がかなり悪いがこいつの言ってることは共感出来る
ネイマールがフィジカル弱いとか言ってる奴らに昔はマジでイラついたわ。サッカー真剣にやったことねーだろ
言葉がかなり悪いがこいつの言ってることは共感出来る
ネイマールがフィジカル弱いとか言ってる奴らに昔はマジでイラついたわ。サッカー真剣にやったことねーだろ
819名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZfAcuWEJ0
>>817
だからそれ自体が日本の間違った認識なんだよバカw
ジダンはじめ向こうの奴が言うフィジカルは>>815だマヌケw
こんな中学英語すら知らない低脳は二度とクソレスすんなや面倒くせー
だからそれ自体が日本の間違った認識なんだよバカw
ジダンはじめ向こうの奴が言うフィジカルは>>815だマヌケw
こんな中学英語すら知らない低脳は二度とクソレスすんなや面倒くせー
829名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CsE7sxgO0
>>819
言葉がかなり悪いがこいつの言ってることは共感出来る
ネイマールがフィジカル弱いとか言ってる奴らに昔はマジでイラついたわ。サッカー真剣にやったことねーだろ
言葉がかなり悪いがこいつの言ってることは共感出来る
ネイマールがフィジカル弱いとか言ってる奴らに昔はマジでイラついたわ。サッカー真剣にやったことねーだろ
828名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tMCbZPx50
>>815
ニワカ言うやつが一番ニワカ。こいつはさらに馬鹿w
ニワカ言うやつが一番ニワカ。こいつはさらに馬鹿w
840名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZfAcuWEJ0
>>828
ニワカなんて一言も書いてないが
英語どころか日本語すら理解できないゴミクズ
ニワカなんて一言も書いてないが
英語どころか日本語すら理解できないゴミクズ
811名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:akhSs4wG02023/06/27(火) 04:36:52.55
当時のままなら今の運動量、スプリント量とかに手こずるだろうなあ
時間置きゃ適応するだろうが守備に体力削がれて輝きは減ると思う
元々スタミナあるタイプじゃないし
時間置きゃ適応するだろうが守備に体力削がれて輝きは減ると思う
元々スタミナあるタイプじゃないし
813名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Ykfwtyvg02023/06/27(火) 04:42:52.07
長友みたいにテクないやつより
一億倍ジダンのがいいよ
一億倍ジダンのがいいよ
814名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oHZdIa2y02023/06/27(火) 04:49:50.88
ともに全盛期として10人長友と10人ジダン
前者のスタイルがトレンドだと言われてるし実際強そうだけど見たいのは後者
10人みんなでルーレットw
前者のスタイルがトレンドだと言われてるし実際強そうだけど見たいのは後者
10人みんなでルーレットw
816名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HgomsvOX02023/06/27(火) 04:52:22.33
ジダンは身体デカいしフィジカル強かったろ
821名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TCpGFmbP02023/06/27(火) 05:11:49.81
ロナウジーニョとかはテクは凄いがフィジカルがいまいちなイメージ
826名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CsE7sxgO0
>>821
ロナウジーニョはドタバタ走ってるように見えるが、強力なフィジカルがないとあのプレーは出来んぞ
ただジダンがこの発言してるからロナウジーニョも現代だと微妙なのかもしれん
ロナウジーニョはドタバタ走ってるように見えるが、強力なフィジカルがないとあのプレーは出来んぞ
ただジダンがこの発言してるからロナウジーニョも現代だと微妙なのかもしれん
851名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YqWU9phP0
>>821
シドニーや日韓の頃はともかく全盛期のロナウジーニョはむしろ筋肉お化けだったでしょ
だからDF背負いながらリフティングするみたいなサーカスプレーが出来た
シドニーや日韓の頃はともかく全盛期のロナウジーニョはむしろ筋肉お化けだったでしょ
だからDF背負いながらリフティングするみたいなサーカスプレーが出来た
822名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1TJQcU7m02023/06/27(火) 05:36:27.11
悠長にパス出してる暇も無いしな
823名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A1kd1B7202023/06/27(火) 05:46:05.87
ジダン起源はマルセイユに移民した在日アルジェリア人なんだからフィジカル強いんじゃない？
827名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MsU7iXok0
>>823
なんにも関係ねぇw
なんにも関係ねぇw
824名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2kYqQFs402023/06/27(火) 05:49:09.81
ジダンはいける
825名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0fRyeDP602023/06/27(火) 05:57:45.89
謙虚かつ冷静な分析で素晴らしいな
阪神タイガースの監督になって欲しい
岡田はもう嫌なんだ
阪神タイガースの監督になって欲しい
岡田はもう嫌なんだ
830名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eSfAJwER02023/06/27(火) 06:01:18.67
お前鬼フィジカルやんけ
スペース無いパスサッカーは向いてないと思うけど
スペース無いパスサッカーは向いてないと思うけど
831名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7uyt/ap002023/06/27(火) 06:01:49.06
サッキが陸上コーチを連れて来て初めてまともにフィジカルトレーニングやり始めて90年代に全体に広がって
陸上トレーニングそのままではサッカーにあってないと気付いて00年代にサッカー向きにアレンジし始めて
サッカーのフィジカルトレーニングの歴史は滅茶苦茶浅い
陸上トレーニングそのままではサッカーにあってないと気付いて00年代にサッカー向きにアレンジし始めて
サッカーのフィジカルトレーニングの歴史は滅茶苦茶浅い
834名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0hvn0IwB02023/06/27(火) 06:04:21.90
事実上無差別級の相撲でも史上最高の290キロあったロシアの大露羅は
幕下の40枚目ぐらいが最高だったからな。
幕下の40枚目ぐらいが最高だったからな。
見かけより実質的なフィジカルある奴が制する。
837名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DiUej5OU02023/06/27(火) 06:25:21.84
185センチもあるやつが何を言ってるんだ
昔も現代サッカーもチビでも出来るやろ
昔も現代サッカーもチビでも出来るやろ
842名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PHyxybx70
>>837
よりパワー化が進んでるのは事実でしょ
あたりの強さや球速とかねえ
よりパワー化が進んでるのは事実でしょ
あたりの強さや球速とかねえ
米が本格参入したらもっとパワー化進むだろうし
849名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:o6l2I43S0
>>842
黒人が増えたからちゃうの？
明らかにジダンの現役の頃より主要リーグの黒人増えてるよ
黒人が増えたからちゃうの？
明らかにジダンの現役の頃より主要リーグの黒人増えてるよ
843名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:K/+m5d0n0
>>842
そんな比較データどこにあるんだ?
あんまり勝手な印象で語ったらいかんよ
そんな比較データどこにあるんだ?
あんまり勝手な印象で語ったらいかんよ
839名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Qa1gBbEs02023/06/27(火) 06:29:45.48
現代の中盤は一人でジダンやりながらマケレレもやらなきゃいかんのだな
841名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bAOUln9C02023/06/27(火) 06:32:01.15
昔なら久保でも大スターだったな
845名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:90HppBH002023/06/27(火) 06:47:37.88
今の日本代表が特にそうだろ。過去のスーパースターたちでも中村俊輔のフリーキック以外は今の代表にすらなれない気がする。見ててレベル高いなあと感心するわ。
853名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4nOUWpgw0
>>845
過去の代表で今でも需要ありそうなのは全盛期の稲本と全盛期の久保竜彦くらいかな
中田英寿も今の両ウイングが快速の日本なら生きるかくらいか
過去の代表で今でも需要ありそうなのは全盛期の稲本と全盛期の久保竜彦くらいかな
中田英寿も今の両ウイングが快速の日本なら生きるかくらいか
996名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VAv0Lkkh0
>>853
長友、内田、長谷部、ザキオカ、香川は全盛期の能力あれば入ると思う
現代サッカーの入り口辺りは経験してるメンツだけど
長友、内田、長谷部、ザキオカ、香川は全盛期の能力あれば入ると思う
現代サッカーの入り口辺りは経験してるメンツだけど
846名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:K/+m5d0n02023/06/27(火) 07:00:47.65
タラレバの妄想で語っても意味無し
実際試合でプレーしてみないとサッカーなんてのは分からんからな
実際試合でプレーしてみないとサッカーなんてのは分からんからな
847名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:IVYE3JDN02023/06/27(火) 07:09:04.63
ユーベの時かなり走ってただろ
現代でもトップ下だろ
インサイドハーフかも
知らんけど
現代でもトップ下だろ
インサイドハーフかも
知らんけど
848名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:o6l2I43S02023/06/27(火) 07:14:34.12
とはいえ、ジダンもフィジカル強いほうやったやん
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