850名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OJ0VFbkJ02023/06/27(火) 07:24:31.19
ジダンやリバウドやロナウジーニョも当時は体幹強くてフィジカルあったけど今の選手はまた別物なんやろね
852名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eSfAJwER02023/06/27(火) 07:32:00.39
単に今のサッカーがプレスありきに変わっただけや
所謂ファンタジスタが絶滅した理由がハイプレス
所謂ファンタジスタが絶滅した理由がハイプレス
854名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yUYLs/Wp02023/06/27(火) 07:33:52.67
フィジカル誤解ニワカが大勢みたいだから
もはや書き手がアホに配慮すべきだな
横文字なんて使わず
身体能力とちゃんと書きなさい
もはや書き手がアホに配慮すべきだな
横文字なんて使わず
身体能力とちゃんと書きなさい
857名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZfAcuWEJ0
>>854
だな、ここもアホばっか
誤用を続けるクソメディアにも責任あるわ
ただ身体能力ですら瞬発力限定の意味で使うバカばっかだしw
だな、ここもアホばっか
誤用を続けるクソメディアにも責任あるわ
ただ身体能力ですら瞬発力限定の意味で使うバカばっかだしw
860名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CsE7sxgO0
>>854
サッカー観てるだけで偉そうに話してる奴に多いイメージあるわ
例えばリフティングに意味はないっていう奴いるけど、最低限のフィジカルがないとリフティング出来んからな。子供の才能を見る時リフティング上手い子は例外なくサッカーも上手い
サッカー観てるだけで偉そうに話してる奴に多いイメージあるわ
例えばリフティングに意味はないっていう奴いるけど、最低限のフィジカルがないとリフティング出来んからな。子供の才能を見る時リフティング上手い子は例外なくサッカーも上手い
855名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4iE1kKHH02023/06/27(火) 07:33:58.44
ジダンって意外と小さいからな
知らんけど
知らんけど
858名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4nOUWpgw0
>>855
現役時代の登録身長185cmだから現代でいても大型の方だろ
現役時代の登録身長185cmだから現代でいても大型の方だろ
866名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4iE1kKHH0
>>858
知らんって言ってるだろ…
知らんって言ってるだろ…
856名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:3yAxgbio02023/06/27(火) 07:37:16.61
朧気な記憶だがフィジカル98くらいありましたよね
859名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wluLBj9/02023/06/27(火) 07:40:55.33
昔のテクニシャンの集まりみたいなチームが現代サッカーをやっつけるのを観たいな
863名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iNlaGlwn02023/06/27(火) 07:46:08.57
うるせーよハゲ
864名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ksJKL6L902023/06/27(火) 07:48:22.81
うんジタンは通用しないね雰囲気プレイヤー
865名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mCOcWzi202023/06/27(火) 07:48:43.61
体が大きい上に、ボールの置き場が上手くて、かわすのが上手い選手だったな
背負ってゴリゴリのドリブルって感じでも無いのも事実
背負ってゴリゴリのドリブルって感じでも無いのも事実
あとジダンは削られ辛い選手だった印象も強い
スナイデルなんかは滅茶苦茶削りに来られるんで
球離れの良い超一流選手になったりしてたし、プレイスタイルにも影響する部分だな
メッシのアジリティーもしかりで、かなりガツガツこられる中で鍛え上げられた
つーかフィジカルが必要なら、それはそれでどうにもなった選手だよジダンさん
867名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wCKweyfq02023/06/27(火) 07:58:18.39
俺らの思ってるフィジカルとジダンの言ってるフィジカルは違うんだろ
日本でフィジカルって言ったら肉体的な対人の強さとか想像するけど
日本でフィジカルって言ったら肉体的な対人の強さとか想像するけど
869名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QSaD/lXj0
>>867
パワーをフィジカルに間違えてる奴多い
パワー・アジリティ・スタミナなど身体能力全般をフィジカルと言う
パワーをフィジカルに間違えてる奴多い
パワー・アジリティ・スタミナなど身体能力全般をフィジカルと言う
876名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:biv6/nnW0
>>869
フィジカルってフィジカルアビリティと言わず「フィジカル」で止めるってことは
能力のことだけ言ってるわけじゃなくて条件みたいなのも含むの？
端的に言うと背の高さとか
フィジカルってフィジカルアビリティと言わず「フィジカル」で止めるってことは
能力のことだけ言ってるわけじゃなくて条件みたいなのも含むの？
端的に言うと背の高さとか
878名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QSaD/lXj0
>>876
身体能力全般
身体能力全般
870名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jKuiSimI0
>>869
日本は野球文化国だから仕方ない
日本は野球文化国だから仕方ない
871名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XLYsmNgu02023/06/27(火) 08:09:49.89
柔道で培ったからか当てられても正確なプレイだったような
スピードはなかったな
スピードはなかったな
873名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:k13W8Ixs02023/06/27(火) 08:21:50.67
攻撃も守備もチーム一丸でハメ技出し合ってるこれが現代サッカー
90分間これを従順に遂行できるスタミナスピードがないと無理
30年前これからはアフリカの時代と言われたけど30年後の今は黒人の時代なんだ
90分間これを従順に遂行できるスタミナスピードがないと無理
30年前これからはアフリカの時代と言われたけど30年後の今は黒人の時代なんだ
914名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0hvn0IwB0
>>873
アジア系は黒人より フィジカル強いの多いからこれからはアジア黒人の時代
アジア系は黒人より フィジカル強いの多いからこれからはアジア黒人の時代
874名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hwmcqrag02023/06/27(火) 08:22:15.42
フィジカル定義ドヤ野郎とそいつをマトモに相手にするやつ
どいつもこいつも素人野郎の馬鹿ばっか
どいつもこいつも素人野郎の馬鹿ばっか
ジダンが言ってるのは俺はトレーニングしなくても元の体幹の強さと天才的なテクニックだけで最高峰でメシ食えたけど、今の選手はさらにフィジカルトレーニングもストイックにやらないといけないから大変だねってことだから
ジダンの運動能力の高さなんて身体の使い方みてればわかるから
フィジカルないとか言ってるやつはド素人
ブラジルロナウドと一緒でなんのトレーニングもしなくてもその才能だけでいけたんだよ
今はメッシもクリロナも科学的なトレーニングを日々積んであのポジにいる
そこが大きな違いだ
875名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+nJ6RZAH02023/06/27(火) 08:24:10.69
ガットゥーゾ最強伝説
877名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LvDyTVSn02023/06/27(火) 08:27:17.43
今ロベカルみたいな足の選手いるの？
879名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LnSe84w002023/06/27(火) 08:30:01.40
攻撃的MFはまだテクニックでどうにかなるだろ
ディフェンス捨てることになるが
ディフェンス捨てることになるが
880名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/tmQFUu202023/06/27(火) 08:30:06.88
現代サッカーの昔のサッカーは違う競技として見てる。
881名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mCOcWzi202023/06/27(火) 08:30:09.81
どうしてもサッカーやバスケでフィジカルって聞くと
コンタクトプレイに直結するからね
ジダンが言ってるフィジカルは今回の場合だと瞬発力の部分だろうな
コンタクトプレイに直結するからね
ジダンが言ってるフィジカルは今回の場合だと瞬発力の部分だろうな
ゴール前での守備も組織化されて要求されるプレイスタイルも変化した
エムバペやハーランドみたいなプレイは自分には出来ないってハッキリ言ってくれればまぁシックリくる
882名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sj3OnSR802023/06/27(火) 08:33:48.52
確かに身体能力高い人間にサッカー教えるのとサッカー上手い人間の身体能力伸ばすのとどっちかを選べと言われたら前者を選ぶわな
916名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0hvn0IwB0
>>882
三笘は逆みたいな感じのこと言ってたよな。
フィジカルは大きくなっても伸ばせるから
子供のうちに技を仕込んだがいいって。
三笘は逆みたいな感じのこと言ってたよな。
フィジカルは大きくなっても伸ばせるから
子供のうちに技を仕込んだがいいって。
実際世界最高峰のリーグで余裕で通用してるし
938名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KdtyMZFQ0
>>916
子供のうちは成長が人によって様々だからフィジカルに頼ってはいけない
技術を学ぶ時期だからね。
子供のうちは成長が人によって様々だからフィジカルに頼ってはいけない
技術を学ぶ時期だからね。
987名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0hvn0IwB0
>>938
あとフィジカルは大人になっても身につけられるからな
あとフィジカルは大人になっても身につけられるからな
990名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZfAcuWEJ0
>>987
フィジカルにも種類がある
瞬発力はほぼ先天性で決まる
持久力は後天的に伸びるが心肺機能が発達する10代を逃すと難しい
筋肉量やパワーは20代でも増やせる
フィジカルにも種類がある
瞬発力はほぼ先天性で決まる
持久力は後天的に伸びるが心肺機能が発達する10代を逃すと難しい
筋肉量やパワーは20代でも増やせる
991名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:akhSs4wG0
>>990
それよな
長友は競輪選手の爺ちゃんの血を引いたと言えども中学時代に無理矢理走らされた事でより開花した
宇佐美みたいに成長期にサボった奴が後でどれだけ取り戻そうと思っても無理がある
医学的に根拠ある成長に応じたフィジカルトレーニングが必要
それよな
長友は競輪選手の爺ちゃんの血を引いたと言えども中学時代に無理矢理走らされた事でより開花した
宇佐美みたいに成長期にサボった奴が後でどれだけ取り戻そうと思っても無理がある
医学的に根拠ある成長に応じたフィジカルトレーニングが必要
883名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Gk6tpnYO02023/06/27(火) 08:34:27.42
あちこちにジムがある時代
フィジカルトレーニングも大分進化してるし
スポーツは最新の選手には過去の選手は勝てないよ
フィジカルトレーニングも大分進化してるし
スポーツは最新の選手には過去の選手は勝てないよ
891名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aQvP+mFX0
>>883
そのフィジカルトレーニングの進化、最新のトレーニングって奴も眉唾なんだよな
そのフィジカルトレーニングの進化、最新のトレーニングって奴も眉唾なんだよな
筋トレの情報追ってても一年前の情報が今はもう古いとか言われてたかと思ったら、また一年後には見直されたり、
最新の研究結果ですよと発表されたものを精査してみると微妙な研究だったりと本当に正しい答えなんて実は良くわかってない
陸上水泳やウェイトリフティングなんかの身体能力測る世界記録なんかもここ10年はあまり伸びてないし最新が最高ではないのよね
934名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KdtyMZFQ0
>>891
結局陸上が進化しているのは靴とかグラウンドとかなんだよな
結局陸上が進化しているのは靴とかグラウンドとかなんだよな
884名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Ohgxc5G702023/06/27(火) 08:36:27.43
謙遜
885名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/tmQFUu202023/06/27(火) 08:36:41.20
ジダンも現代サッカーならやりたくないだろ。守備もしたく無いし、走りたくも無い。
886名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EYBDCbLc02023/06/27(火) 08:41:11.74
2002年の親善試合で韓国兄さんのフィジカルで粉砕され怪我してたからキムチは分からないでもない
887名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uRnLduBF02023/06/27(火) 08:54:30.67
ジダン抜群に上手かったけどスピードないし守備貢献もないしとフィジカル面で確かに使い勝手悪そう
今のサッカーじゃ世に出なかった可能性あるわ
今のサッカーじゃ世に出なかった可能性あるわ
888名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pUMSwl6t02023/06/27(火) 08:57:52.68
40近いジルーがいまだに重宝されてるのがフィジカル重視時代の象徴だわ
926名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jygxIK/B0
>>888
ジェコとかな
ジェコとかな
889名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7qcv5URM02023/06/27(火) 08:58:12.55
プレス全盛の今だからこそジダンの鬼キープが活きる
890名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:p7KGQ3ti02023/06/27(火) 08:59:31.41
ジダンのこの発言が2まで伸びてることになんか嬉しく思うわ
さすがジダンだな
さすがジダンだな
892名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xdOfTlL802023/06/27(火) 09:02:47.66
テク偏重では通用しないってのは日本のテクニシャンの方が顕著だったから日本人の方が痛感してるよ
893名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WjsqZEkH02023/06/27(火) 09:03:41.82
ジダン、リケルメ、ルイコスタ、デコ、バラック
こういった古臭い選手は今だと全く通用しないよな
20年でサッカーは大きく進化した
897名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CnMJkO5Q0
>>893
さすがにバロンドール候補常連かつ受賞者のジダンと比べるには相手が雑魚すぎるだろ
素人感出るからやめときなよ
さすがにバロンドール候補常連かつ受賞者のジダンと比べるには相手が雑魚すぎるだろ
素人感出るからやめときなよ
898名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:K/+m5d0n0
>>893
サッカーの試合なんてのは実際やってみないと分からんぞニワカ
ニワカの今が最強て妄想もたいがい
899名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hwmcqrag0
>>893
ボキュが作るサイキョーチーム作ってみな？
ボキュが作るサイキョーチーム作ってみな？
894名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QSaD/lXj0
>>893
他はどうだか知らんがジダンは通用するよ
他はどうだか知らんがジダンは通用するよ
895名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Ptr/NQVD02023/06/27(火) 09:07:04.42
フリーキックの名手がいなくなったろ？
何故かというと以前のボールのように意図的に正確に曲げたりできないからだ
ただやたらスピードがでるようになった
楽器の早弾き大会だよ
芸術性はない
何故かというと以前のボールのように意図的に正確に曲げたりできないからだ
ただやたらスピードがでるようになった
楽器の早弾き大会だよ
芸術性はない
896名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DdDw+5uE02023/06/27(火) 09:07:26.68
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