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【サッカー】ジダン「現代のサッカーはテクニックだけで上に行けない。私がこの時代の選手だったらフィジカルでひどい目に遭っていた」2

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400名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4VvG4uOi02023/06/26(月) 21:58:31.27
懐古厨は今を否定して自分の心の中の思い出だけが拠り所なんで
他人にそれを否定されると意固地になる
彼の心の中のあり方を我々が変えることは無理

だから懐古厨も今を否定するのはやめろ

401名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GwF5NoC602023/06/26(月) 21:58:40.38
フリーキックだけじゃ無いがプレースキックの精度って今はどうなんだろ?
単にキーパーや壁を作る能力上がったで納得できる話?
406名無しさん@恐縮ですID:48ayxkqn02023/06/26(月) 21:59:38.84
メッシは本当に異例だよな
あそこまで運動量少ないトップ選手は80~90年代でも珍かったと思う
473名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nsMvvVLc0
>>406
1対1が強すぎて歴代でも異質

他の選手のようにフリーでパスを受けるためにスペースを走り回る必要がほとんどない

476名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Cn53yGb70
>>473
でも結局はバルサ専用だったんだよな
409名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bDneenfF02023/06/26(月) 22:00:23.57
いやむしろテクニックやスピードのレベルが上がってるから技術のない選手は死んでく一方だろ

メッシにしろネイマールにしろエムバペにしろみんな高等技術を持ってるやつらばっかり

419名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>409
ネイマールエムバペが高等技術は草
423名無しさん@恐縮ですID:INdpA1xr0
>>419
キミ性格悪いね
420名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jK/i9Vff0
>>409
その淘汰の前に技術はあるけどフィジカルがない選手が先に淘汰されている
最低限フィジカルレベルがバランス良くないと戦術に組み込みにくい
438名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bDneenfF0
>>420
それはない
技術先行

技術と運動量があればどうとでもなる
それはネイマールが証明してる

447名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jK/i9Vff0
>>438
ネイマールってスピードあるじゃん
フィジカルって当たりの強さの意味じゃないよ
458名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bDneenfF0
>>447
フィジカルって身体の強さのこと
スピードやパワーとはまたニュアンスが違うんだわ
468名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jK/i9Vff0
>>458
俺にレスしてきたのはお前でおれはそういう意味で使ってないと説明したから
お前がそんなレスしてもただの言葉遊びだからどうでもいいよ
413名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Cn53yGb70
>>409
ブラジルのロナウドの方がエムパペより技術はあるな
例えばエラシコだってロナウジーニョよりうまいやつが現代にいるか?
427名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bDneenfF0
>>413
ロナウジーニョよりネイマールの方がテクいしスピードもあるだろ
ロナウドは現代でも通用するし反論にすらなってない
441名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Cn53yGb70
>>427
エラシコの話だが
437名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>427
不正解
411名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZjKSzL4T02023/06/26(月) 22:00:59.05
今のサッカーはクソつまらない
興業としても競技としても終わってる
そらぜいリーグ売れないわけだ
海外とは国民性も違うし
432名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gw4+jU3O0
>>411
ガラガラオオタニのガラガラ試合見たら
世界のスポーツの祭典であるオリンピックから
永久追放されたセカイイチ不人気なレジャーが豚双六やきうだと
アホでもわかるよな(笑)

W豚Cなんか地球上で見てたのは
極小数の日本の認知症の後期高齢者のみだしな(笑)

412名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tZ0vzoUD02023/06/26(月) 22:01:02.27
モドリッチはポジションがジダンより一列後ろだし
プレッシャーの少ないエリアでやってるだけ
技術はトップレベルの中では並だろう
417名無しさん@恐縮ですID:K9fonUo80
>>412
んなわけあるかドニワカ
バロンドール舐めたらアカン
416名無しさん@恐縮ですID:q0B4ZCQf02023/06/26(月) 22:01:42.60
いやジダンは足も早いしフィジカルも相当強かったろ

謙遜して言ってるだけだな

422名無しさん@恐縮ですID:X5fGqUYD0
>>416
アジリティとか運動量とかの意味でしょこの場合のフィジカルって
424名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/gSxLyW002023/06/26(月) 22:03:16.55
むしろジダンて当時ではフィジカルある方だっただろ
同時期同格のジョルカエフがジダンと差がついたのは
技術ではなかった記憶
430名無しさん@恐縮ですID:V+KSKFZo0
>>424
いや顔だと思う
428名無しさん@恐縮ですID:a420dXJB02023/06/26(月) 22:04:24.31
プレイ集見たらメッシよりはうまくないけどネイマールやヴィニシウスクラスと比較されるぐらいのレベルってとこかな

No One Has Matched Zidane's Elegance So Far
Zinedine Zidane is the most elegant footballer in the last 30 years
429名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/l6xlxCF02023/06/26(月) 22:04:28.44
色んな競技で40歳前後まで第一線で活躍する選手が増えてるから個人能力という点で本当にそこまで進化してるのかという疑問は少々感じはする
517名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4VvG4uOi0
>>429
まず本当に増えているのかという問題
ただ単に競技が盛んになって選手の数が増えて
その分高齢選手も増えて
それがマスコミが取り上げるなどして目立ってるだけの可能性

そしてトレーニング方法やアンチエイジング技術の進歩で
高齢で活躍できる選手が増えている可能性
酒やタバコの有害性も昔もあんまり言われなかったから
その分今は選手寿命も伸びてる可能性

なのでなんとも言えないね

520名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Cn53yGb70
>>517
レアルのモドリッチとか別に年齢があるから持ち上げているわけでもない
579名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JU8vwTW30
>>517
個人個人のレベルが上がっているのなら選手寿命が伸びても旧世代の選手は次々に淘汰されるはずだろ
586名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6bt3nd8H0
>>579
旧世代の選手は変化に対応出来たやつが生き残ってる感じだろ。徐々に変化する中でゆっくり対応出来ただろうし
433名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qrRTvxFC02023/06/26(月) 22:04:40.39
ジダンはガタイ良いしフィジカルあったけどおそらくドーピングだぞ
当時のユーヴェに所属してたんだからクリーンだったとは考えにくい
472名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Cn53yGb70
>>433
と言う事は昔の方がフィジカルが強かったになるなw
479名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IhsvPvOu0
>>472
お前いまのサッカーしらんの?

フィジカルというより運動量というか
ボールをとった後、失った後の切り替えの速さが決定的に違うだろ

499名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qrRTvxFC0
>>487
>>479
ジダンのドーピング使用は確定ではないけど可能性が高いと言ってる
ドーピング使用が確実視されてるデルピエロだってドーピング使用したと断言はできないだろうし
467名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6N3/f9C40
>>433
ドーピングが切れたから33歳で衰えて引退したわけ?
んなわけあるかい
477名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qrRTvxFC0
>>467
ジダンの引退34歳だぞ

ググったら引退後の記事でこんなコメントしてる
ジダン監督は2006年ドイツ・ワールドカップを最後に現役を引退した。
当時の決断については、次のように明かしている。

「あと2年は現役を続けることができた。
でも、ビッグマッチのために必要なアドレナリンが足りなくなると思い、引退を決断したんだ。
誰かに“あなたの時代は残りわずかだ”と言われるよりも、決めるのは簡単だったよ」

489名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uWzE56SG0
>>477
アドレナリンて意気込みとかモチベーションのことだぞ
493名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JHlx/alt0
>>477
中田の時は「中田いない方が強くね?」説が意外と根強かった
511名無しさん@恐縮ですID:J14VKFsV0
>>493
海外挑戦しなくて
国内で自己満足してる連中にスタメンなんてやらんでいいよ
486名無しさん@恐縮ですID:X5fGqUYD0
>>477
しかもこのあと2年ってのはレアルでやれる実力はってことだろうな
リーグやチームのレベル落とせばもっと長く現役続けれただろうね
487名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fr6ozDMJ0
>>477
何つっこまれたかよく分からないけど最終シーズンは33歳、ワールドカップ中に34歳でしょ?
んで何?ドーピングあったの?
499名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qrRTvxFC0
>>487
>>479
ジダンのドーピング使用は確定ではないけど可能性が高いと言ってる
ドーピング使用が確実視されてるデルピエロだってドーピング使用したと断言はできないだろうし
455名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IhsvPvOu0
>>433
たしかに昔と違うのはそこなんだよなw

それがあるから一概に今のが上とも言い切れない
ただ戦術が全然違うから今のが上だとは思うけど

435名無しさん@恐縮ですID:X5fGqUYD02023/06/26(月) 22:04:52.23
ジダンも少年時代に自分より上手いやつは何人もいたけど女や遊びで駄目になったとか言ってたな
一番大事なのはメンタルの部分かもしれないな
529名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4VvG4uOi0
>>435
ジダンの子供の頃はアンリやアネルカ、エンバペを輩出した
例の国立養成所が無かったんだよなたしか
436名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Te3zDJ9m02023/06/26(月) 22:04:58.79
モドリッチって活躍しすぎじゃね?CL獲ってワールドカップ最優秀選手とってバロンドール獲ったのが5年前で、こないだもネーションズリーグ決勝でMOMってどういうことよ
440名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JHkldrtR02023/06/26(月) 22:05:40.37
フランスもジダンが居れば
戦い方そのものが変わる
カウンター戦術にする意味がないからね
フォートナイト馬鹿は不要になるし良い事しかない
443名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bDneenfF02023/06/26(月) 22:05:56.53
ブラジルがなぜ強いか

テクニックが群を抜いてるから

453名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Te3zDJ9m0
>>443
ブラジルといえば昨今はブラジル人監督が全然パッとしない印象あるけどどうなのか
444名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6xNQ8Zum02023/06/26(月) 22:06:10.19
ジダンはそこそこ運動量あった
だから頂点までいけた
ジダンと同じ技量がありながら運動量がなくてワールドクラスになれなかったのがリケルメ
446名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bDneenfF02023/06/26(月) 22:06:17.83
ブラジルがなぜ強いか

テクニックが群を抜いてるから

449名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/l6xlxCF02023/06/26(月) 22:06:48.54
とは言え鎌田はああ見えて毎試合12キロ前後走ってるらしいしスプリント回数も意外と多いみたいだぜ
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