251名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gxqc0ulg02023/06/30(金) 17:09:04.15
これが玉蹴り脳です。
252名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8PP5sLrE02023/06/30(金) 17:09:13.23
例えがおかしい
一部の市民しか利用しない音楽芸術ホールより
全ての市民が関係するゴミ焼却施設では重要度が全く違う
一部の市民しか利用しない音楽芸術ホールより
全ての市民が関係するゴミ焼却施設では重要度が全く違う
254名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+BrjdYOH02023/06/30(金) 17:10:01.90
「娯楽施設ではないので同じにはならないが、公立の病院を建てるときや消防署を建てるときに『ペイしますか』とは言わない…」
自分で言うてしもてるがな
娯楽施設の映画館とか野球場だとペイしますかって言うんだろ？
255名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:r54b8piX02023/06/30(金) 17:10:22.75
この板に書き込んでそうな3人だな
256名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0wPqxWk802023/06/30(金) 17:10:48.90
もう病気だろこいつら
自覚がない
自覚がない
258名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:vxk8KaTj02023/06/30(金) 17:11:05.31
普通の市民スタジアムなら反対あっても与党議員を抱き込むだけで建設できる
1チームが独占して使うようなものは流石の土建政党でも議会で正当化は無理だろ
1チームが独占して使うようなものは流石の土建政党でも議会で正当化は無理だろ
259名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pxSXE8pb02023/06/30(金) 17:11:35.05
別にスタジアムを建てたらダメだとも、税金使っちゃダメだとも思わないが、
その地域の実情に合わせた物にしないと意味がないよね。
専スタでキャパ4万でも成り立つってならそれでもいいし、
いやそれ無理せいぜい1万、芝も人工芝で管理、共用しやすいようにってならそれでもいいのに認めない。
全然地域密着じゃない。
その地域の実情に合わせた物にしないと意味がないよね。
専スタでキャパ4万でも成り立つってならそれでもいいし、
いやそれ無理せいぜい1万、芝も人工芝で管理、共用しやすいようにってならそれでもいいのに認めない。
全然地域密着じゃない。
そう言うのを認めないリーグやライセンス規定を批判すべきなのに、
そう言うことはやらない。
文化だ、金出せ、規定ガー。
260名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ic0frfXw02023/06/30(金) 17:12:03.46
自分達やファンで建設しろよ何病院と一緒にしてるんだよ
261名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DuIuf6C/02023/06/30(金) 17:12:10.27
サッカーというスポーツに文句はないがサッカーを取り巻く連中がマジで終わってるな
何でどいつもこいつも税金で作って貰えるのが当たり前だと思ってるんだ
百歩譲って海外がそうだからと言っても現状海外並の見返りが用意出来ないことから目逸らすなよ
何でどいつもこいつも税金で作って貰えるのが当たり前だと思ってるんだ
百歩譲って海外がそうだからと言っても現状海外並の見返りが用意出来ないことから目逸らすなよ
262名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:P2RjcJpu02023/06/30(金) 17:12:15.56
うちの市のチームもどこか
引き取ってほしい
試合の度に交通ルール守らんし
自分ちの前なのに車も止めれんし
財政圧迫してるしほんと迷惑
引き取ってほしい
試合の度に交通ルール守らんし
自分ちの前なのに車も止めれんし
財政圧迫してるしほんと迷惑
263名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:06SxYMRa02023/06/30(金) 17:12:16.63
日本国民に土下座しろよこいつら
今から
今から
264名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VIX7dsis02023/06/30(金) 17:12:28.35
税金に頼るならプロ名乗る資格ないよ
プロならお金を生み出さないと
プロならお金を生み出さないと
265名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MC2cdfX/02023/06/30(金) 17:13:00.61
サッカースタジアムは娯楽というより文化的な施設と言えるかな
サッカーって世界共通の文化みたいなものだしそういう認識で日本もサッカースタジアムを
全クラブの分は作ってもらいたいし国民は毎試合席を埋めてもらいたい
サッカーって世界共通の文化みたいなものだしそういう認識で日本もサッカースタジアムを
全クラブの分は作ってもらいたいし国民は毎試合席を埋めてもらいたい
273名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pxSXE8pb0
>>265
話が全部逆なんだよね。
毎試合埋まるからもっと大きなスタジアムを税金でも支援してってなって各地でそうなれば
「文化」になる。
話が全部逆なんだよね。
毎試合埋まるからもっと大きなスタジアムを税金でも支援してってなって各地でそうなれば
「文化」になる。
266名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aVZJF7Sc02023/06/30(金) 17:13:17.14
協会のがめついタカリだけでサッカーは嫌われ者になれる
もう日本では選手が頑張っても無駄
ストライキでもして変えないとどんどん地域の鼻つまみになっていくわ
もう日本では選手が頑張っても無駄
ストライキでもして変えないとどんどん地域の鼻つまみになっていくわ
267名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8KDaKrXI02023/06/30(金) 17:13:26.32
ほんとに上から下まで都会から田舎まで全てが腐っているJリーグ
潰せよこんな組織
潰せよこんな組織
268名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gFpE5lxB02023/06/30(金) 17:13:38.30
頭おかしい
269名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4deE7v+e02023/06/30(金) 17:13:40.06
世界中から放映権料稼げるんならいいんじゃね？
自分がそんな実力もないのにでかい口叩くなよ
自分がそんな実力もないのにでかい口叩くなよ
271名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eLs+lSOC02023/06/30(金) 17:14:08.74
そらサッカーは虚業だし、病院消防署は必要の公共財だろ
バカかコイツら
272名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WO4ukEKu02023/06/30(金) 17:14:13.40
選手全員公務員試験受けて受かったやつだけ登録、給料も公務員規定に準ずるならまだ分からんでも無い
274名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OqwG5WoC02023/06/30(金) 17:15:03.11
別に文化であることもいいと思うし
いいスタジアムがほしいってのもよく分かるが
それがJリーグのチーム数必要ってところで破綻なのですわ
いいスタジアムがほしいってのもよく分かるが
それがJリーグのチーム数必要ってところで破綻なのですわ
275名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZvU24m2302023/06/30(金) 17:15:04.19
市民が使うサッカー場なら市が建ててくれると思うが、なんで私企業が使うサッカー場を市が負担して建設と維持をしないといけないんだよ
276名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:P2RjcJpu02023/06/30(金) 17:15:49.78
やきうはスポンサーと
ファンだけで成り立ってんのに
なんでサッカーはファンでもない人が
負担しなきゃいけないんだろうな
ファンだけで成り立ってんのに
なんでサッカーはファンでもない人が
負担しなきゃいけないんだろうな
278名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:3UNuUbkp02023/06/30(金) 17:16:11.16
文化系施設で言うならまだしも必要な施設と財政が豊かな自治体すればいい施設を比べるなよ
279名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:IXKKvHiI02023/06/30(金) 17:17:00.97
サッカーもBリーグ方式にして
昇降格を経営状態で決めたらいいと思うの
昇降格を経営状態で決めたらいいと思うの
280名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aVZJF7Sc02023/06/30(金) 17:17:33.88
選手の上の協会がこんななのに
税リーグさっかあ選手って全員バカなんだなとしか思えなくなってきたわ
税リーグさっかあ選手って全員バカなんだなとしか思えなくなってきたわ
281名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:h15Nj8Un02023/06/30(金) 17:17:34.91
すげーな
Jの関係者がこれ言っちゃうんだｗ
Jの関係者がこれ言っちゃうんだｗ
お前らがJの規約だって、不相応な巨大スタ要求するから難色示されてるのに
282名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:63pV3BD902023/06/30(金) 17:17:36.19
この前の公園を壊してサッカー場作ろうと提案して市長が怒ったとこ？
283名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:d36dkKVM02023/06/30(金) 17:17:42.70
ドイツではサッカーが国民の文化として根付いてるからだろ
日本でそれを論じるのはアホらしい
日本でそれを論じるのはアホらしい
289名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jmPaBIjl0
>>283
サッカー以外にもプロリーグみたいなもんあるのかな
サッカー以外にもプロリーグみたいなもんあるのかな
284名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cEEOi+Ne02023/06/30(金) 17:18:02.48
じゃあ不良債権にならない額を払ってねって言われても無理でしょ
285名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:v0gkPM5502023/06/30(金) 17:18:30.53
永久にコピペされる発言だな
286名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MC2cdfX/02023/06/30(金) 17:18:39.00
日本も世界と同化していかないとな
ドイツみたいにサッカーに行く習慣を皆が身に付けないとダメ
ドイツみたいにサッカーに行く習慣を皆が身に付けないとダメ
288名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:IXKKvHiI0
>>286
欧州に憧れるのはやめましょう
欧州に憧れるのはやめましょう
569名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MokcoFkX0
>>286
お前が言っている事は合ってるよ
でも日本で1強はないんだよ
お前が言っている事は合ってるよ
でも日本で1強はないんだよ
よって消えてヨシ！
Jを盛り上げないｻｶﾌﾞｰが悪い
287名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jKgEJNJs02023/06/30(金) 17:19:06.47
ただ造りたいだけ、造った後の事は知らん、という奴にかぎって声がでかいｗ
290名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sgGImhiU02023/06/30(金) 17:20:52.66
こういうサッカー脳が信用をなくしている
野球脳と同じやんか！
野球脳と同じやんか！
292名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aVZJF7Sc02023/06/30(金) 17:21:41.47
サッカーで貧困が救えるか
むしろ貧困市民にたかるゴミ
むしろ貧困市民にたかるゴミ
293名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VIX7dsis02023/06/30(金) 17:22:11.87
サッカーは文化とは言うけどどこが文化なのかその理由が全部海外ではーなのよ
文化っていうなら戦前から甲子園が続き、野球由来の言葉が慣用句のように使われ、プロリーグが海外とは違う独自の興行スタイルで発展し、満員続出する野球のほうがよっぽど文化よ
文化っていうなら戦前から甲子園が続き、野球由来の言葉が慣用句のように使われ、プロリーグが海外とは違う独自の興行スタイルで発展し、満員続出する野球のほうがよっぽど文化よ
294名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OBdlDU8u02023/06/30(金) 17:22:19.37
鉄ヲタが新幹線作れ〜、路線作れ〜
財政？知らんわ〜って妄想の鉄道路線主張するのと何も変わらんよね
財政？知らんわ〜って妄想の鉄道路線主張するのと何も変わらんよね
295名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pENMMcz402023/06/30(金) 17:22:37.85
サッカー人気なんだし入場料も値上げしろ
人気のディズニーなんかは値上げしとる
そしてクラブの人件費を下げろ
徹底的に節約してそのお金を積み立てて好きなの建てろ
人気のディズニーなんかは値上げしとる
そしてクラブの人件費を下げろ
徹底的に節約してそのお金を積み立てて好きなの建てろ
296名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OqwG5WoC02023/06/30(金) 17:22:49.44
各国、規定を満たしたスタジアムいくつあるんやろね
とりあえず日本はJ1、J2のチーム数ぐらいあると考えて
とりあえず４０個でええんか
とりあえず日本はJ1、J2のチーム数ぐらいあると考えて
とりあえず４０個でええんか
297名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:p1zDpD2v02023/06/30(金) 17:23:04.51
ドイツと比べるな
あっちはちゃんとした先進国で経済もいい
この国は衰退国で経済もダメダメ
あっちはちゃんとした先進国で経済もいい
この国は衰退国で経済もダメダメ
344名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VlIKQTea0
>>297
ドイツ人が戦術の天才なのは世界中みんなが知ってるさ。
ドイツは方向性が間違ってても途中までは結構上手くいってしまうんだよな。
気づいたときには土壺にはまってるのが、ドイツの近代史。
ドイツは見習るのは、やめた方がいい。
ドイツ人が戦術の天才なのは世界中みんなが知ってるさ。
ドイツは方向性が間違ってても途中までは結構上手くいってしまうんだよな。
気づいたときには土壺にはまってるのが、ドイツの近代史。
ドイツは見習るのは、やめた方がいい。
299名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NP+haRJG02023/06/30(金) 17:23:32.06
こんなバカ理論で納得させられるとでも思ってんのかよコイツ
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