50名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QjyqTKmg02023/06/30(金) 16:28:11.74
バカなん？
53名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:o6Tibyf602023/06/30(金) 16:28:30.17
”公立の病院や消防署”だってNIMBY扱いで忌避されているんだが？
54名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:F91F33vu02023/06/30(金) 16:28:31.32
人工芝のピッチならギリ許可でるんでないの
野球も全面芝なら一般にあまり貸せないだろうしな
儲からないのに意識高い系だからめんどくさいのよJリーグ
野球も全面芝なら一般にあまり貸せないだろうしな
儲からないのに意識高い系だからめんどくさいのよJリーグ
55名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yFkx9JbB02023/06/30(金) 16:28:34.73
シュツットガルトの行政も不良債権になるなら費用出さないだろうに
どう考えても地方のJクラブじゃそこをクリア出来ないだろ
どう考えても地方のJクラブじゃそこをクリア出来ないだろ
58名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:epiMsF1302023/06/30(金) 16:28:59.57
一生、病院の世話にならずに過ごす日本人はほぼいないが、
サッカー場に一度も関わらず生まれて死ぬ人間は結構いるだろう
サッカー場に一度も関わらず生まれて死ぬ人間は結構いるだろう
59名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7c0zHHMP02023/06/30(金) 16:29:03.15
本気でサッカーは文化だからとか思ってるのかなあ
すごいな
すごいな
73名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PH7YbrZD0
>>59
サッカーがちゃんと文化として根付くまでは人工芝や土のグラウンドで本当に地位密着で何十年もやれば良いのに、いきなり自治体に「金出さないのは文化に理解が無い！」じゃ反発喰らうわなあ…
サッカーがちゃんと文化として根付くまでは人工芝や土のグラウンドで本当に地位密着で何十年もやれば良いのに、いきなり自治体に「金出さないのは文化に理解が無い！」じゃ反発喰らうわなあ…
558名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6s4PjDr+0
>>73
オレはビッグになるから一億くれ
こんなやつが家族にいたらやべー
でもここにいたわ
オレはビッグになるから一億くれ
こんなやつが家族にいたらやべー
でもここにいたわ
270名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HZE8SVPL0
>>59
どこぞのJリーガーだかOBだかが実際にこう言って、死ぬほどバカにされた
この手のスレにしょっちゅう出てくるのは皮肉だよ
どこぞのJリーガーだかOBだかが実際にこう言って、死ぬほどバカにされた
この手のスレにしょっちゅう出てくるのは皮肉だよ
60名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5dWGAahg02023/06/30(金) 16:29:36.50
流石死球とヘディングを一緒に考えるヘディング脳パネェっすwww
61名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mNlztOb402023/06/30(金) 16:29:51.46
当たり前やろwww
娯楽とライフライン直結事業を一緒にするなよwww www
62名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lC6B9Ncx02023/06/30(金) 16:29:53.30
やきうだってファンから募金貰ってまで自前で建ててるぞ
ファンから金集めろや
ファンから金集めろや
63名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ceKP4sbv02023/06/30(金) 16:30:14.44
あぁ、ベルマーレの社長が言ってるのか
そりゃ平塚市長もキレるわ
そりゃ平塚市長もキレるわ
64名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5zgTYYg002023/06/30(金) 16:30:26.82
サカ豚の認識だとJリーグのスタジアムは病院や消防署なのか
税金にたかって当たり前って認識はこういうところからもよく分かるな
税金にたかって当たり前って認識はこういうところからもよく分かるな
65名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KYstX7Pn02023/06/30(金) 16:30:39.37
居住地にプロ野球があるけどプロサッカーが無くてよかった
549名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6s4PjDr+0
>>65
西宮か所沢かな？
西宮か所沢かな？
813名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FHDxE62N0
>>549
猫屋敷ですね
猫屋敷ですね
66名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:L5x4f9jz02023/06/30(金) 16:30:47.10
ホントホント。
野球場や陸上競技場なんて4千以上も有ってその殆どが年間数日しか使われて無いのに問題にする奴はあんま居ない。
球技場となると途端に老人がギャーギャー言い出す。
正体丸出しじゃんw
野球場や陸上競技場なんて4千以上も有ってその殆どが年間数日しか使われて無いのに問題にする奴はあんま居ない。
球技場となると途端に老人がギャーギャー言い出す。
正体丸出しじゃんw
158名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lMrtiMu00
>>66
河川敷野球場とか、年間150日くらい使ってね？
河川敷野球場とか、年間150日くらい使ってね？
99名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7fSWmT9d0
>>66
野球場や陸上競技場が4000以上…？
野球場は700くらいだがほとんどが朝野球とか学生の練習試合、公式戦で年間200試合とかやってるでしょ
数日とかマジで何の根拠もない数字だわ
野球場や陸上競技場が4000以上…？
野球場は700くらいだがほとんどが朝野球とか学生の練習試合、公式戦で年間200試合とかやってるでしょ
数日とかマジで何の根拠もない数字だわ
111名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PH7YbrZD0
>>99
河川敷の野球場の予約取るために不正やらかす頭おかしいオヤジとか居るくらいだからな
河川敷の野球場の予約取るために不正やらかす頭おかしいオヤジとか居るくらいだからな
85名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PH7YbrZD0
>>66
サッカーも人工芝や土のグラウンドなら特に反対はされないと思うぞ
あと地域の野球場の稼働率ちゃんと調べてみ？
平日もほぼ埋まってるから
サッカーも人工芝や土のグラウンドなら特に反対はされないと思うぞ
あと地域の野球場の稼働率ちゃんと調べてみ？
平日もほぼ埋まってるから
89名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:L5x4f9jz0
>>85
殆ど埋まってる事にしてるだけでしょw
殆ど埋まってる事にしてるだけでしょw
100名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PH7YbrZD0
>>89
自治体のページで予約状況見られるだろ？
まさか想像で言ってるの？
自治体のページで予約状況見られるだろ？
まさか想像で言ってるの？
197名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:D72SRb530
>>100
何度指摘しても知らないフリ
悪質なやつだよそれ
何度指摘しても知らないフリ
悪質なやつだよそれ
70名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5dWGAahg0
>>66
黙れヘディング脳低能サカ豚。サッカー場が公的じゃ無いから言われてんだぞ
黙れヘディング脳低能サカ豚。サッカー場が公的じゃ無いから言われてんだぞ
67名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mNlztOb402023/06/30(金) 16:31:09.23
スタジアムと病院を同列に語るとかアタマオカシイやろwww www
69名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lkxyqNIN02023/06/30(金) 16:31:48.40
球団も無いような田舎に豪華プロ仕様の野球場作ってもペイするのか？って言われないな
552名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6s4PjDr+0
>>69
何処にそんなのあるんだ？
プロ野球の試合やらんような所に
何処にそんなのあるんだ？
プロ野球の試合やらんような所に
81名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yFkx9JbB0
>>69
プロ仕様っても3万も4万入るような地方球場ってあんのかな？東京都の大田スタジアムですら1万規模でしょん
プロ仕様っても3万も4万入るような地方球場ってあんのかな？東京都の大田スタジアムですら1万規模でしょん
105名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lkxyqNIN0
>>81
マスカット、坊ちゃん、長崎とか田舎にいくつもあるでしょ
浜松にもドーム作るらしいし
マスカット、坊ちゃん、長崎とか田舎にいくつもあるでしょ
浜松にもドーム作るらしいし
177名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yFkx9JbB0
>>105
そこいら稼働率高いが確かに三万も客席いらないよなぁ
プロがやるだけだもんね
それが年間70試合ありゃ良いが半分も無いなら座席数いらんし高校野球決勝でも半分入るかぐらいか？
プロの試合やりたいが為に見合わないサイズや設備の箱物は今後建てない方が良い
そこいら稼働率高いが確かに三万も客席いらないよなぁ
プロがやるだけだもんね
それが年間70試合ありゃ良いが半分も無いなら座席数いらんし高校野球決勝でも半分入るかぐらいか？
プロの試合やりたいが為に見合わないサイズや設備の箱物は今後建てない方が良い
133名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PH7YbrZD0
>>105
その辺、アマチュア野球でフル稼働だぞ。
その辺、アマチュア野球でフル稼働だぞ。
Jリーグのスタジアムもプロの試合がない時はアマチュアや学生が試合や練習で格安で使えるのなら自治体も喜んで金出してくれると思うが。
あ、浜松スタジアムは流石に無駄だとおもう。
567名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6s4PjDr+0
>>81
あそこ五千も入らない
江戸川は二千人かなあ
駒沢も三千入るかどうか
あそこ五千も入らない
江戸川は二千人かなあ
駒沢も三千入るかどうか
71名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:54kAzA+302023/06/30(金) 16:32:10.95
文化になってないから反発がでるんじゃないかな。
発想が常に逆なんだよね。
発想が常に逆なんだよね。
72名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TWhsGQ3H02023/06/30(金) 16:32:11.41
> 例えば剣道場や武道館の建て替えなどはすんなりいっています。
要求される施設のレベルが違うだろ
体育館に毛の生えたものとスタジアムの建設を一緒にするな
要求される施設のレベルが違うだろ
体育館に毛の生えたものとスタジアムの建設を一緒にするな
74名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:44ja6KsE02023/06/30(金) 16:32:27.28
お、八百坂先生の新スレか
みんなガンガン盛り上げてサッカー潰そうぜ
みんなガンガン盛り上げてサッカー潰そうぜ
83名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:W1f0qhyW0
>>74
焼き豚に逮捕者が出るフラグかｗ
焼き豚に逮捕者が出るフラグかｗ
75名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FAylWYMo02023/06/30(金) 16:32:35.62
市営か県営の陸上競技場があるだろ
76名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EdzEiubD02023/06/30(金) 16:32:38.72
必要ないですし
77名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GsohgA3702023/06/30(金) 16:32:41.30
Ｊリーグのクラブはどこも収入を見たときに選手の人件費割合がめちゃくちゃ高いとやっていたな
スタジアム使用料などを市民の税金で払うのではなく、自分たちでしっかり払って、選手の年俸も収入の範囲内でやれよ
なんで税金でサッカー選手を養わなきゃいけないんだよ
プロスポーツとして稼げないのならまず本職を見つけて平日くらいは働けよ、コ●キども
165名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lMrtiMu00
>>77
独立リーグは収益0.7億とかでも、経費を切り詰めて黒字にしてるのにね
同県のJクラブは収益5億で赤字
独立リーグは収益0.7億とかでも、経費を切り詰めて黒字にしてるのにね
同県のJクラブは収益5億で赤字
78名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pYWJ2TdA02023/06/30(金) 16:32:54.27
むしろ治安が悪化しそうだが
79名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/KD79FPr02023/06/30(金) 16:33:08.37
モールくっつけるとかでサッカー以外の利用価値作るとかしたらいいのにと思うけど
土日に試合あると買い物客は利用できないから意味ないか
土日に試合あると買い物客は利用できないから意味ないか
80名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5dWGAahg02023/06/30(金) 16:33:09.52
税金乞食のJリーグ
82名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lUCcRLl502023/06/30(金) 16:33:24.23
「海野一幸(ヴァンフォーレ甲府元社長)、眞壁潔(湘南ベルマーレ代表取締役会長)、木村正明(ファジアーノ岡山オーナー)鼎談」
107名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kfK4dbam0
>>82
岡山はまだ望みがあるのに
こんなヤツらに混ざってたらダメじゃないかな。
岡山はまだ望みがあるのに
こんなヤツらに混ざってたらダメじゃないかな。
84名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:M3eb5j9N02023/06/30(金) 16:33:43.08
すげーな
プロの玉蹴り活動が病院や消防と一緒の公共性があると思ってんだな
プロの玉蹴り活動が病院や消防と一緒の公共性があると思ってんだな
サカ豚って本当に理解出来ないわ
86名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xQ2AB4Sg02023/06/30(金) 16:34:11.91
ドイツの都市のサッカー文化と日本の都市のサッカー文化なんて比べられないよな
日本の地方自治体でスタジアム作るなら、併合型の施設にして、地域経済や雇用に何らかの形で結び付けられないと賛同は得られないよね
日本の地方自治体でスタジアム作るなら、併合型の施設にして、地域経済や雇用に何らかの形で結び付けられないと賛同は得られないよね
97名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kfK4dbam0
>>86
共倒れになるだろ
共倒れになるだろ
87名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UhqVOeBi02023/06/30(金) 16:34:31.13
ソースが山梨フットボールて
なんか凄いところからサッカー叩きネタ拾ってくるね
88名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1kTQ0VBy02023/06/30(金) 16:34:44.26
＞娯楽施設ではないので同じにはならないが
そうだよ、比較対象にすらならない時点で終わってんだよw
まともな頭してたら公立病院なんてワードは出ない
90名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cj1KBdqc02023/06/30(金) 16:35:06.16
頭おかしい
91名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:vpeZ/wCm02023/06/30(金) 16:35:10.23
こんな事言ってるとよけい反対勢力が強くなるぞ
101名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CjEvrkxI0
>>91
大丈夫
反対勢力なんてこれからどんどん寿命で消えていくから
大丈夫
反対勢力なんてこれからどんどん寿命で消えていくから
110名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A8hA1WSf0
>>101
むしろ賛成するサッカーファンが寿命で減ってきてない？
むしろ賛成するサッカーファンが寿命で減ってきてない？
180名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lMrtiMu00
>>110
サッカーファンは今や70代が最大だからね
サッカーファンは今や70代が最大だからね
92名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:IyW+LDLO02023/06/30(金) 16:35:34.38
ヤバすぎるわ
93名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A8hA1WSf02023/06/30(金) 16:35:46.68
火事には消防署がないと駄目だし病気には病院ないと困る
でも娯楽はサッカーだけじゃないんだよな
サッカーでも野球でもバスケでもいい、もしくは映画館や舞台でもいい
他の娯楽と比べてサッカーが自治体に大きな負担を求めるなら自然とサッカーは選ばれなくなるだろう
でも娯楽はサッカーだけじゃないんだよな
サッカーでも野球でもバスケでもいい、もしくは映画館や舞台でもいい
他の娯楽と比べてサッカーが自治体に大きな負担を求めるなら自然とサッカーは選ばれなくなるだろう
94名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0+WkZOks02023/06/30(金) 16:36:03.00
とんでもないこと言ってない？これ
95名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sZ093oSP02023/06/30(金) 16:36:22.25
Jリーグの地域密着型ビジネスモデルはパ・リーグやBリーグ等の他スポーツも真似してしてるからサッカーだけ優遇する時代では無くなった。Bリーグは会場作れば市民や他スポーツも使えるし、ライブ会場として使えるるから市民の反対もない。Jリーグもビジネスモデルを変える時期だな。
96名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NxPfGgtI02023/06/30(金) 16:36:34.21
これじゃ寄生虫ですよ
98名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:M3eb5j9N02023/06/30(金) 16:36:44.62
税リーグの1番の謎はスタジアムの基準の高さだわ
別に市民に望まれて無いし、現状でも満杯になってないのに最初からデカい箱ありきだもんな。
何様のつもりなんだろな順序が違うだろ
別に市民に望まれて無いし、現状でも満杯になってないのに最初からデカい箱ありきだもんな。
何様のつもりなんだろな順序が違うだろ
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