で、住民一人一人の可処分所得は、減税分とそれによる景気拡大によって増えるから、その増えた可処分所得から地元のクラブに寄付すればいい。それとスポンサー合わせて、クラブが自前でスタジアム作ればいいんだよ。
仮にもプロのクラブなんだからな。
イニエスタなんか関係ない地元弱小クラブが潰れそうな時に代わりに給料払ったりしてたけども
毎年赤字を垂れ流し続けてるんだから砂漠に柄杓で水撒くようなもんだし
それをやれっていうのは酷だと思うわ
財政健全化する手段ないまま30年突入ってヤバいな
税金も同じだろ
偉そうに文化とかヨーロッパを出すなら良いところも参考にすべきだろ
イニエスタみたいに金がないというなら日本のサッカー文化の限界ってことだろ
金にならねーんだもん
一応それなりに金落とすJサポだからな
ほんま世界世界いう割にチャリティーしないよなw
客席は一部、サッカーなら客席スタンド1方向あって、あと3方向は芝生スタンドレベルで良いんよな
ようするにこのレベルのスタジアムではライセンスが降りないっていう
異常なまでにスタジアムライセンスの基準が高いんよな
ドイツはピッチと観客席の間に線路があるスタジアムあるよなw
せめて屋根を無くせば、現状よりも遥かに格安で建てられるんだから、サカ豚は真剣に議論するべきだよ
アマチュアが使える公共性も無ければ客も何千人の単位でしか来ないプロの税リーグが市県民税に寄生し続けるから反対されてるんだろ
意図的に主語を大きくして誤魔化すなよ
存在自体が癌だよね
地元密着総合スポーツクラブの核になる計画は完全に失敗した
サッカーなんて年に30試合くらいでしょ?屋根とか要らんでしょ
お父さんが出世する為にタワマン最上階に住ませてくれって自治体に頼んでいるようなものだなw
サッカー場は無くても構わないものだから税金使うな
ただそれだけの話
建設費は数十億掛かり、維持費は毎年赤字
にも関わるず、経済効果や地域活性化も期待できないからだ
これがJリーグのクラブなら、J2のチームでも10~20億の経済効果がある
論理的に考えれば、野球場はすんなり決まって、サッカースタジアムに反対と騒ぐ共産党とかの連中が頭おかしいだけなのだが、頭のおかしい野球世代の高齢者が日本には多い
それでも広島や長崎、川崎とどんどん決まってるので、「時間の問題」ではあるのだが、足を引っ張る勢力の見苦しさはハンパない
これもアマチュアでも使える野球場の公共性を無視してる
サッカー専用スタジアムも月の半分でも民間で使えるようにすれば良い
アマチュアが使えるからってのは典型的な言い訳だ
野球場は需要に対して数が多すぎるし、
アマチュアが使うだけのグラウンドは充分にある
上で福島県に3万人の球場が2つがあると出てるが、プロがない県でそんな球場を複数持つ意味等無い
意味のない無駄金を使ってるにも関わらず、その言い訳がアマチュアが使うからで思考停止し、野球世代の共産党連中も反対しない
経済効果もなく、赤字を垂れ流すだけの球場な大量に量産されている
3万人のうち半分以上が座席なしの芝生なんでしょ?
だから上で出てるけど外野は芝生の球場や屋根もほぼ無いレベルだし
サッカーもそのレベルまでライセンス下げるならいいけど下げないでしょ
その野球場はプロすらほぼ使わないんだがw
逆じゃないのか
住民が使用,利用するための施設なら税金で作ることもあるけどプロ専用なら作らない
さらっと嘘つくな豚野郎
嘘じゃねーぞ
その福島の球場は年に1,2回使われるかどうかのところだ
雨とかあれば年1もない
マジの現実だ
福島あずま
ヨーク開成山
いわきグリーン
は
草野球
少年野球
高校野球
大学野球
社会人野球
プロ野球
で使われてますが
福島あずまはオリンピックでも使ったし
アマもゼロで少年野球や市民チーム参加の草野球レベルの使用実績も皆無なの?
プロ野球でってことかな
また調べずに嘘をつく
どこのプロが使用してるんだ?
独立リーグ?
てめーはでんぐり返しくぼくんwでも応援しとけばーか
>>841
このように焼き豚は反論出来なくなると、発狂して暴言を吐いて来るんだよな
日本中の野球場が赤字を垂れ流してる現実が相当効いてるのだろうな
まだスレの中だけなら良いのだが、リアルでも野球人の犯罪が増えてるが大きな問題だ
てめーで調べろ豚野郎
>>841
このように焼き豚は反論出来なくなると、発狂して暴言を吐いて来るんだよな
日本中の野球場が赤字を垂れ流してる現実が相当効いてるのだろうな
まだスレの中だけなら良いのだが、リアルでも野球人の犯罪が増えてるが大きな問題だ
福島といわきって実質別の県だしなぁ
栃木と千葉くらい離れてるし
あと、いわきグリーンスタジアムは原発資金入ってるかと
こいつのしょーもない言い訳も、Jリーグの高すぎるスタジアム基準が仇となって霧散したな
良かったな、観客席を土手にして屋根を無くして人工芝にすればサッカー専用スタジアムもバンバン建つって判明したぞw
広島が良い例だが、中途半端に妥協はしない方が良い
一時期はアクセスの悪いところが建設候補となったが、妥協せずに続けた結果、好立地に専用スタジアムが建った
焼き豚が騒ごうが、野球世代の頭のおかしい高齢者連中が反対しようが、やはり主張をしっかり続けることが大事だな
政令指定都市の広島と同じことを山梨に求めるなんて無茶も良いところ
それよりも長崎みたいに大口のスポンサーをサカ豚で見つけるほうが早いぞ?
中途半端に作る方がヤバイ
一度作ったら30、40年は使うことに使うことになる
だから作れないって話だろボケが
いや、頭のおかしい高齢者の反対を受けてもなんだかんだで出来てる
あの広島でさえ出来たし、京都、ガンバ、長崎、川崎とな
時間は掛かっても妥協せずに質とアクセスは求めていくべきだろう
頭がおかしいのはオマエだろ
広島京都川崎は100万都市だし長崎ガンバは自己資金じゃねーか
やはり山梨に専用スタジアムを建てさせるのは酷だということだな
オマエみたいな熱心なサカ豚がジャパネットみたいなスポンサーを探してやるのが一番だぞ?
広島でもガンバでも京都でもお前みたいな奴を一杯見てきたわw
建設が決まった時は痛快だったww
ギャアギャア騒がず黙って待とうや
京都って市外に追い出されてるけどそれでも良いのか…
市内ですら場所によっては京都ちゃうけど市外は絶対に京都ちゃうやんw
一応亀岡「市内」だから…
アユモドキの生息地問題で揉めたけど、
結果寧ろ駅に近くなったしなw
それを生かせず
月2試合の土曜で観客8000人じゃぁ意味ないわなぁ
黙れ豚野郎
>広島京都川崎は100万都市だし長崎ガンバは自己資金じゃねーか
しかも巨大スポンサーがついている。ガンバ大阪もそう。
そうやって自分たちで資金調達してくるところはいいんだが、地方都市でJ1スタジアム要件を補助金で建てて当然!というのが、とことん見苦しい乞食根性。
あの広島でさえって市民球場跡地に異常にこだわったからこじれただけで他の立地ならもう建ってただろ
絶対に建ってない
今の場所も半スラム化してた場所の浄化目的に乗っかった裏技みたいな計画で決まったし
原爆スラムでググってくれ
まぁ今の場所だって跡地に拘るあまり候補地案として拒否してるんですけどね
現市長は昔はスタジアム作るつもり無かったぞ
それでクラブの社長だったかが辞めて市長選挙に立候補した
2015年7月 – 県・市・商工会議所のトップ会談で「広島みなと公園」を優位とする認識で一致
それが決まるもっと前の話だよ
跡地利用、スタ問題って20年やってたんだぞ
跡地云々は2016年からっぽいけど
跡地をサッカーによこせ運動は解体前からやってたんやで
跡地にサッカー専用スタジアムを!って意見が出ると
国の土地で公園扱い?だとかで作れないとかいう(結果嘘)で議論にされなかった
たしかこんな感じ
>>844 >>853
サッカーが憎いのがよくわかるwwwww
「競技にかかわらず」って書いてるだろw
競技に関わらず高校生で商売したら何があかんの?!w
高校野球叩きたいだけでしょサカ豚
ちなみにサッカーは高校生に企業広告付けたユニ着させて試合させてますw
さすがに高体連傘下の大会じゃやらんけど
マジ?
はい
https://activel.jp/football/F0zmN
わざわざ前置きしたのにw
サッカーを憎む人生おつ
競技に関わらず高校生で商売したら何があかんの?!w
高校野球叩きたいだけでしょサカ豚
具体的には、3万人規模のスタジアム[補足 11]を旧市民球場跡地に建設しようとすると、周辺の高さ制限の関係から地盤の掘り込みが必要になり、結果的に旧市民球場跡地では約260億円、広島みなと公園では約180億円の建設費用となり、広島みなと公園に作った方がコスト的に優位である、とするものであった。
それはもうどこかに建設するってなってからの話ね
サッカースタジアム検討協議会での発言です
だから、もうどこかに造るってなってるから動いてるんだよ
妄想を根拠に語られましても
あなたが2016年以降の情報しか知らないってだけです
だから2016年以前って言ってるでしょ
その中でサッカー関係者としては念願であり、野球ファン含めたそのほかの市民には「戦後の広島復興の象徴としての市民球場」を保存・活用できる、財界や地元商店街もある程度の集客が見込めるとして、提案に挙がったのがサッカースタジアムにすることだった。一方でこの地は世界遺産である原爆ドームに近接しており、新たに大型施設を建設することにより危機遺産に登録されるのではないかと一部で懸念されていた。
2006年(平成18年)4月、原爆ドーム(高さ約25m)からわずか200m先に高さ45mのマンション建設が発覚、これに建設反対運動が活発化したことにより、周辺の景観保全への意識が高まることとなった[28]。結果、同年5月21日広島市民球場跡地利用検討会議第3回にて、スタジアム案がすべて「閉鎖された空間が新たに出現し、大規模施設によって広島平和記念公園と広島市中央公園が分断される計画であるため望ましくない」と評価され、没案となった[29]。
中央公園と繋がる?場所が全然違うぞ、難癖だろそれ
跡地スタジアム案にはスタンドに穴を空けて景観を良くする設計もあったのに
あの子窓のお笑いネタは置いといてもこれだし
県・市・商議所は2016年3月29日、「この案(サンフレ案)はこれまで作業部会が検討している内容とは収容人数等の前提が異なり、また、整備費の起訴となる仕様の内容等が示されていない」「(作業部会がサンフレッチェ広島へ)依頼した確認事項へのご回答をいただいていないなど、現状では確認作業、意見交換ができていない」とサンフレッチェの対応を批判した上で、年度内にも開催するとしていた県・市・商議所による結論を出すための三者トップ会談を延期し、結論の判断を先送りすることを発表した[46][51][52]。サンフレ側は事態の打開に向け、県・市・商議所にサンフレを加えた4者での公開トップ会談を開催して大まかな方向性を定めるべきだとしており、トップ会談の必要性については4者で認識が一致しているが、県・市・商議所はトップ会談の前に事務レベルでの意見のすりあわせが必要だとして、サンフレと三者の考え方の隔たりがなかなか埋まらなかった[46]。
要するに跡地に作らせたくなかっただけね
脳みそいかれすぎてて草
流石にJリーグ関係者はこのレベルの社会不適合者じゃないと信じたい
なら自己資金で納得できるものをつくればいいやないか
妥協したから市民球場跡地ではなくなったのでは?
跡地とも遜色ない立地らしい
規模はむしろ大きくなった(跡地はスペースがない)
跡地以外使わないって宣言してたんだから妥協でしょ
そうやで広島市民に大反対喰らって炎上して10年以上揉めて迷走、結局広島のドンのマツダグループが入って来て
マツダが金出すからってって今の所になって、マツダさんがいうならって反対していた商工会や勢力も賛成に回ったから建設されたんや
プロ野球サイドがプロのために建ててくれって言ってないんだよな
だから規定とかもないし自治体が判断して勝手に好きなの建ててるだけで
そのへんがサッカーとの違いよ
だから、野球世代の高齢者に頭のおかしい連中が多いって話だろ
既に子供達はサッカーの時代に変わったのに、そいつらはサッカーを目の敵にして、足を引っ張ってるからな
最近では静岡に200億でドーム作るとか言ってるバカもいたし
おじいちゃん子供たちはEスポーツの時代ですよ
そんな球場ですらJ1ライセンス満たさないから馬鹿じゃなかろかって言われてるのに
県営あづま球場の方は人工芝だからJ2ライセンスすら満たさないよ。
これだけ使われりゃ公共性あるって言われるわな
サカスタも同程度に解放すればいい
サッカーに限らず人間って何でこんなに欲深いんだろうな
上を見るからキリがないんで今でも他のスポーツに比べたら優遇されてるよ
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