150名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cY7A55qu02023/06/30(金) 16:48:39.29
維持管理費が高いからだろ
152名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wKQTeZuH02023/06/30(金) 16:48:47.36
山梨学院すごい！郷土の誇りだ文化だ！
だから200億で専用スタジアム作りましょう、とはならないよね普通
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153名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OqwG5WoC02023/06/30(金) 16:48:54.04
クラブライセンスだ何だで単なるサッカーグラウンド以上のもの要求しとるんやろ
154名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:P0lAyAbv02023/06/30(金) 16:49:11.00
京都サンガも天皇杯優勝を機運みたいにしてスタジアム建設まで持っていったけど、建った後は市民の関心は低い。
駅近だけど本数が少ないから観客輸送問題がでるとか言われたけど、そもそも少ないから問題になってない。
駅近だけど本数が少ないから観客輸送問題がでるとか言われたけど、そもそも少ないから問題になってない。
サンガは京セラが居るからなんとかなってるけど、甲府、湘南、岡山はどうなんだろね？
155名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:58CRA5et02023/06/30(金) 16:49:14.28
むしろサッカー場建設も別にいいかなって思ってた層がこの発言聞いて反対に回るかもしれんぞw
病院消防署と一緒にする馬鹿が税金乞食しようとしてると
病院消防署と一緒にする馬鹿が税金乞食しようとしてると
157名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cnXZwOFF02023/06/30(金) 16:49:49.80
木村正明(ファジアーノ岡山オーナー)「私が調べたときに日本に野球場は610あって、このとき反対運動は起こってないんですね。サッカー場(専用スタジアム)は当時十幾つか。そこから増えていますが、例えば剣道場や武道館の建て替えなどはすんなりいっています。サッカー場となるとこれが途端に反対運動が起こりやすい。どうしても”地域が元気になる”という観点でいかないと…野球場でペイしている施設はドーム球場以外は日本に1つもありません。
605名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6s4PjDr+0
>>157
この知識しかないならこのオーナーやばいわ 逆に言えば黒字のJ専用何処にあるんだ？
この知識しかないならこのオーナーやばいわ 逆に言えば黒字のJ専用何処にあるんだ？
174名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LDcKeRBY0
>>157
Jリーグが独占しないか、独占するなら管理者になって収益から自治体に納付金として返済するならサッカー専用スタジアムを作ってくれるだろ
Jリーグが独占しないか、独占するなら管理者になって収益から自治体に納付金として返済するならサッカー専用スタジアムを作ってくれるだろ
159名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cnXZwOFF02023/06/30(金) 16:50:26.21
木村正明(ファジアーノ岡山オーナー)「私が調べたときに日本に野球場は610あって、このとき反対運動は起こってないんですね。サッカー場(専用スタジアム)は当時十幾つか。そこから増えていますが、例えば剣道場や武道館の建て替えなどはすんなりいっています。サッカー場となるとこれが途端に反対運動が起こりやすい。どうしても”地域が元気になる”という観点でいかないと…
野球場でペイしている施設はドーム球場以外は日本に1つもありません。
192名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OqwG5WoC0
>>159
この主張って前にここに貼られてたやつだよね
額じゃなくて球場の件数が野球場むっちゃ多かったけど
かかってる額がサッカー場のほうが多かったでしょ
この主張って前にここに貼られてたやつだよね
額じゃなくて球場の件数が野球場むっちゃ多かったけど
かかってる額がサッカー場のほうが多かったでしょ
179名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wKQTeZuH0
>>159
地域が元気になる方策はbリーグとかイベントとか補助金とか色々あるわけで、Jリーグのスタジアムがそれらと比べて効果が高いのかよくよく検討しないとね
地域が元気になる方策はbリーグとかイベントとか補助金とか色々あるわけで、Jリーグのスタジアムがそれらと比べて効果が高いのかよくよく検討しないとね
164名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Jc+saWVI0
>>159
甲子園とかズムスタってペイしてないの
甲子園とかズムスタってペイしてないの
167名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ljfiLsf20
>>159
平気で嘘言ってる馬鹿ジジイで草
平気で嘘言ってる馬鹿ジジイで草
168名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xP97Jlx70
>>159
どう考えても甲子園がペイしてないとは思えんけどどういう感覚なんだろう
どう考えても甲子園がペイしてないとは思えんけどどういう感覚なんだろう
196名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qfVXAJlu0
>>168
まさか税金対策に赤字を偽装…..
まさか税金対策に赤字を偽装…..
170名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5ekPeAvh0
>>159
じゃあ野球場以上に使うことが制限されるサッカー場建設なんて無理になるよね
じゃあ野球場以上に使うことが制限されるサッカー場建設なんて無理になるよね
160名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OqwG5WoC02023/06/30(金) 16:50:28.31
俺と同じidのやつが書き込んでるがま、いいかｗ
161名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4D3OTdWw02023/06/30(金) 16:51:08.77
反対が多いのは日頃の行いが悪いからや
162名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sU/V+iQa02023/06/30(金) 16:51:34.18
野球場は反対されないのにサッカー場は反対される！
→昔だから反対されてないだけで今建てようとしてる球場は普通に反対されたりしてるから単に無知なんだろうけどまあ言いたいことは分からんでもない
→昔だから反対されてないだけで今建てようとしてる球場は普通に反対されたりしてるから単に無知なんだろうけどまあ言いたいことは分からんでもない
病院や消防署を建てるときにペイできますかとは言わない
→インフラとサッカー場を同列に語るとかあまりにもガイジ過ぎる
俺思うんだけどこういうこと言い出すガチガイジがいるからよりサッカーが批判されるんじゃねえか？
無能な味方は有能な敵より怖いと言われるがまさにこのことだろ
163名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jKgEJNJs02023/06/30(金) 16:51:37.30
赤字垂れ流すのは最初から間違いないって分かってるんだけど
とにかく建設はしたいって人がいるんだろ
高速道路や新幹線なんかと同じ
とにかく建設はしたいって人がいるんだろ
高速道路や新幹線なんかと同じ
166名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Vlclci/W02023/06/30(金) 16:51:59.05
反対されないくらい地域に愛されるクラブになればいい
その域に達してないんだよ
その域に達してないんだよ
169名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pdLy9ZPr02023/06/30(金) 16:52:25.27
営利団体であるクラブが独占使用
挙句芝生養生でアマチュアにすら貸し出さない
これで公共施設面とかアホだろ
挙句芝生養生でアマチュアにすら貸し出さない
これで公共施設面とかアホだろ
172名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:am8uYknG02023/06/30(金) 16:52:36.53
病院や消防署と娯楽施設を一緒にするのはアタオカ
173名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8sjX01EA02023/06/30(金) 16:52:40.01
比べるんならもうちょい違うものを出せ
流石にあほくさい
流石にあほくさい
176名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:H8MlYVT802023/06/30(金) 16:52:43.85
病院なければ人が死ぬ
スタジアムなくても人は死なない
スタジアムなくても人は死なない
サッカー場より登山リフトやバックカントリーのためのゴンドラ作れ
182名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:98GtPYCF02023/06/30(金) 16:53:54.45
病院でも消防署でもないからな。
つか病院でも人いないところは潰れたりしてるが。
183名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aR2+Tusi02023/06/30(金) 16:54:14.61
ヨーロッパのクラブの歴史は知らんけど赤字まみれで公金に手を付けなければ運営できないようなチームのスタジアムまで面倒見てるのか？
世界的にファンがいるトップレベルのクラブと比べられるチームがどれだけあるんだ？
世界的にファンがいるトップレベルのクラブと比べられるチームがどれだけあるんだ？
184名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jmPaBIjl02023/06/30(金) 16:54:42.58
Jリーグ発足時のファンがそのまま高齢化して後が続いてないからな
185名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TIeBWnQG02023/06/30(金) 16:54:47.03
病院・消防署→無いと絶対困る
サッカースタジアム→無くても別に困らない
186名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NxPfGgtI02023/06/30(金) 16:54:48.42
市民用のサッカーグラウンドを作ろうぜ
195名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/KD79FPr0
>>186
芝の維持費とか利用者負担じゃないと同じことにならないか？
芝の維持費とか利用者負担じゃないと同じことにならないか？
544名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jmPaBIjl0
>>195
プロチームしか使ってないのに自分じゃ維持費も払えないのがおかしいだけで
市民が使って自治体が補修するのは理屈が通るだろ
プロチームしか使ってないのに自分じゃ維持費も払えないのがおかしいだけで
市民が使って自治体が補修するのは理屈が通るだろ
206名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NxPfGgtI0
>>195
人工芝でもいいし
市民が使うなら市が負担するでもいいでしょ
人工芝でもいいし
市民が使うなら市が負担するでもいいでしょ
191名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UCT8vAjD02023/06/30(金) 16:55:13.84
時代が悪いね、日本が高度成長＆人口増だった昭和後期なら先行投資もOKだったかもしれんけど
右肩下がりで高齢化社会の負担がどんどん重くなるこの時代に、巨大な箱物なんて無理無理
右肩下がりで高齢化社会の負担がどんどん重くなるこの時代に、巨大な箱物なんて無理無理
225名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:D72SRb530
>>191
2060にかけて老人が人口半分の地獄になるって時にスポーツなんぞにうつつ抜かしてる訳にはいかんわなあw
2060にかけて老人が人口半分の地獄になるって時にスポーツなんぞにうつつ抜かしてる訳にはいかんわなあw
193名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ds3RIbjc02023/06/30(金) 16:55:27.42
もし仮にどんなに低く見積もっても年間70日は40000人入る甲子園でペイ出来てないならサッカー場なんて尚更作れないだろ
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I urge you to avoid this site. My personal experience with it has been nothing but dismay as well as suspicion of scamming practices. Exercise extreme caution, or better yet, seek out a more reputable platform to meet your needs.
I urge you steer clear of this site. The experience I had with it was only disappointment along with concerns regarding fraudulent activities. Be extremely cautious, or even better, find a more reputable service to meet your needs.