701名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:W+pdMFyG02023/06/30(金) 19:19:29.71
アマチュアに使わせないのにプロ専用で税金使わせろとか。税リーグは頭おかしい
703名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ahg9VN5N02023/06/30(金) 19:20:16.20
試合の無い日は市民に開放されるならある程度は歓迎されると思うよ
税金で建てても建設費もペイできない、芝の養生を理由に営利企業が独占して公共性の欠片もない
こんなもん税金で建てるわけ無いじゃん
税金で建てても建設費もペイできない、芝の養生を理由に営利企業が独占して公共性の欠片もない
こんなもん税金で建てるわけ無いじゃん
711名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FPpck6Om0
>>703
めちゃくちゃスケジュールがガラガラの札幌ドームですらサッカーステージを一般開放するのたった1日だからな。
めちゃくちゃスケジュールがガラガラの札幌ドームですらサッカーステージを一般開放するのたった1日だからな。
704名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:j14p+GUz02023/06/30(金) 19:20:36.31
プロ専用なら自分でスポンサー呼んでこいよ
すでにファンが満杯なので大きくしてくださいならまだわかる
ガラガラじゃねーか
すでにファンが満杯なので大きくしてくださいならまだわかる
ガラガラじゃねーか
706名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FPpck6Om02023/06/30(金) 19:20:48.26
病院って言っても日本の病院も7割方は民間の病院だからな。
公立病院は儲けが少ない高度医療とか救急医療とか医師の育成とかにまで携わっているから税金で運営してる訳だし。
公立病院は儲けが少ない高度医療とか救急医療とか医師の育成とかにまで携わっているから税金で運営してる訳だし。
708名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TXw29mmo02023/06/30(金) 19:21:09.44
W杯の時にコメントをチラッと見てたけど「Jリーガーww」てバカにされてたよな
サッカーファンすらもバカにされるようなプロリーグってぶっちゃけ要らんだろ
サッカーファンすらもバカにされるようなプロリーグってぶっちゃけ要らんだろ
709名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Qd+ApYaG02023/06/30(金) 19:21:37.61
公共事業ガンガンやって下流に金流せよ
スタ建設大賛成
スタ建設大賛成
713名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fF34rsR/02023/06/30(金) 19:22:30.85
文化への支出の話だからな。
娯楽がなかったら生きてる意味なんてあるのかね？
娯楽がなかったら生きてる意味なんてあるのかね？
763名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Ei5jL5Y40
>>713
ろくに観客入らないのに公金支出する意味ある？
ろくに観客入らないのに公金支出する意味ある？
717名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FPpck6Om0
>>713
だったら今の日本は娯楽が溢れてるからサカスタなくても何の問題もないな。
だったら今の日本は娯楽が溢れてるからサカスタなくても何の問題もないな。
749名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:h429VwMt0
>>717
そうなんよ、娯楽が溢れてるから選択肢がめっちゃ多い、昔とは違う
あえて税金を直接的に突っ込む文化は希少価値のある物だけにして欲しい
そうなんよ、娯楽が溢れてるから選択肢がめっちゃ多い、昔とは違う
あえて税金を直接的に突っ込む文化は希少価値のある物だけにして欲しい
715名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:y6ADvp/u02023/06/30(金) 19:22:41.23
専スタの普及を重視するべきで身の丈にあった規模、施設でもライセンス認める方向に舵を切ればいいのに
754名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:54kAzA+30
>>715
自治体からノーと言われても、クラブ側の人間からそういう発想がでてこないのがね。
自分たちの金じゃないから立派な方がいいとしか思ってないのか、イミフに強気。
結果的に建設できなくても「文化に理解がないお前らが悪い」って感じ。
自治体からノーと言われても、クラブ側の人間からそういう発想がでてこないのがね。
自分たちの金じゃないから立派な方がいいとしか思ってないのか、イミフに強気。
結果的に建設できなくても「文化に理解がないお前らが悪い」って感じ。
716名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:W+pdMFyG02023/06/30(金) 19:22:48.25
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720名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:vkByh7B602023/06/30(金) 19:24:22.34
比較するなら美術館だろうね
病院や消防署は生死に関わるからな
病院や消防署は生死に関わるからな
728名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FPpck6Om0
>>720
美術館だって特定の美術商や画家なんかが「俺の作品を展示する為にこの規格で建てろ」みたいな話は全く聞かない。
美術館だって特定の美術商や画家なんかが「俺の作品を展示する為にこの規格で建てろ」みたいな話は全く聞かない。
729名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cwng1nXJ0
>>720
いい線な気はする
いい線な気はする
721名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gDggFYuJ02023/06/30(金) 19:25:51.53
救急車でサッカー上に運んでやれ
726名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KBkr1g8902023/06/30(金) 19:27:26.19
また税リーグ？
730名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9NJ5t7CH02023/06/30(金) 19:28:37.60
芝生の管理もあるし
野球場にしてプロ野球遠征してきて貰った方が
持続可能だと思う
野球場にしてプロ野球遠征してきて貰った方が
持続可能だと思う
731名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:AN+xCqAY02023/06/30(金) 19:28:43.21
J1スタジアム基準(15000万以上、天然芝、客席の屋根)を完全に満たす野球場は
札幌ドーム(サッカー時)
と
エスコンフィールド
札幌ドーム(サッカー時)
と
エスコンフィールド
だけという
実質エスコンフィールドだけ
960名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lyI4G8UO0
>>731
コンサドーレがエスコンにきたいっていいだしたら日ハム及び北広島はどうするんだろう。
コンサドーレがエスコンにきたいっていいだしたら日ハム及び北広島はどうするんだろう。
986名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:g3nMnOgk0
>>960
敷地拡張の交渉とスタジアム建設費をコンサがやるなら施設の連携は考えてくれるんじゃね？
敷地拡張の交渉とスタジアム建設費をコンサがやるなら施設の連携は考えてくれるんじゃね？
962名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wLZqYYeP0
>>960
それ相応の金払えば使わせてあげるでしょ
それ相応の金払えば使わせてあげるでしょ
969名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lyI4G8UO0
>>962
さすがにエスコンの利用料をペイ出来るほど客入らないと思うから日ハムがどっかで折り合いつけるしかないだろ。
それかコンサのお客さんにたくさん飲み食いしてもらうか。
さすがにエスコンの利用料をペイ出来るほど客入らないと思うから日ハムがどっかで折り合いつけるしかないだろ。
それかコンサのお客さんにたくさん飲み食いしてもらうか。
980名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MlyUIl5l0
>>962
サッカー興行はスタジアム広告を隠すのがネック
サッカー興行はスタジアム広告を隠すのがネック
972名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:S46FVy7G0
>>962
規格合ってないからエスコンは無理。
規格合ってないからエスコンは無理。
963名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yFkx9JbB0
>>960
土地は北広島が用意して自前で建設して運営するならってのなら歓迎すんじゃないの？
土地は北広島が用意して自前で建設して運営するならってのなら歓迎すんじゃないの？
990名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hIwLhO+A0
>>960
コンサ「天然芝が痛むので、平日は使わないでください」
コンサ「天然芝が痛むので、平日は使わないでください」
日ハム「・・・・・・・」
950名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GTacT/+50
>>731
エスコンは親会社が600億の建設費の相当を負担している、税リーグとは違うんだよwww
エスコンは親会社が600億の建設費の相当を負担している、税リーグとは違うんだよwww
732名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:g3nMnOgk02023/06/30(金) 19:29:05.95
こんな考えで作ろうと考えてるのか自意識過剰すぎだろ
地域のプライドとか言っても芝の養生とかで市民が使えないものにプライドもクソもない
地域のプライドとか言っても芝の養生とかで市民が使えないものにプライドもクソもない
734名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:AN+xCqAY02023/06/30(金) 19:30:10.57
市民が楽しめる程度でいいならそれこそ陸上競技場のサッカーコートで十分だわなw
735名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:s/Umabf602023/06/30(金) 19:30:19.32
公金でつくって一般人が使えないのが致命的
芝ガーじゃねえんだよ
738名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:T/9ZTI3O02023/06/30(金) 19:31:19.12
今やってるJの試合もガラッガラ
一応トップカテゴリーの試合なんだよね？
一応トップカテゴリーの試合なんだよね？
740名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:vsLCN8lK02023/06/30(金) 19:31:40.18
税金使って建ててやって使わせてやってるんだからせめて利用料や天然芝の維持費ぐらいはペイする努力しろよ
742名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1y2F6iIb02023/06/30(金) 19:31:47.86
山梨？ならファナックに頭下げてお金出してもらいなよ。
理系学生が就職したい人気企業ランキングトップクラスのファナックスタジアム みたいなスタジアム名で
理系学生が就職したい人気企業ランキングトップクラスのファナックスタジアム みたいなスタジアム名で
744名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Ltf/wwEp02023/06/30(金) 19:31:52.04
プロ専用スタジアムを税金で賄えってヤクザでも言わんで
746名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NRuSgW2k02023/06/30(金) 19:31:55.30
ひたすら八百坂が書き込んでて草
747名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MokcoFkX02023/06/30(金) 19:32:17.19
広島って動員凄いの？w
凄くないなら格好の的になるやんw
755名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yFkx9JbB0
>>747
カープと同日開催にならない事をまずは祈らないとって感じだろな
カープと同日開催にならない事をまずは祈らないとって感じだろな
759名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MokcoFkX0
>>755
阪神戦と被ったら遠征いくわw
阪神戦と被ったら遠征いくわw
765名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bNhUSRUW0
>>747
日本ハムのエスコンがコロナ前の札幌ドームから平均4000人程落としてる
広島もそうなる可能性があるから心配してるよ
日本ハムのエスコンがコロナ前の札幌ドームから平均4000人程落としてる
広島もそうなる可能性があるから心配してるよ
広島は平均13000人くらいだから、それが新スタでどうなるか注目だよな
776名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MokcoFkX0
>>765
13000とか舐めてんの？w
13000とか舐めてんの？w
818名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wLZqYYeP0
>>765
3100人しか落ちてないじゃん
率にすると89%しか落ちてないわけでプロ野球全体でも92%いかないくらいしか回復してないからエスコンが悪いわけじゃない
3100人しか落ちてないじゃん
率にすると89%しか落ちてないわけでプロ野球全体でも92%いかないくらいしか回復してないからエスコンが悪いわけじゃない
771名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yFkx9JbB0
>>765
フルキャパで広島の新スタジアムはどれぐらいなの？
フルキャパで広島の新スタジアムはどれぐらいなの？
773名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:I6PuMrTh0
>>765
平均13000人を毎試合登山させるポテンシャルはあるんだよな
平均13000人を毎試合登山させるポテンシャルはあるんだよな
748名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ya+4IEe/02023/06/30(金) 19:32:38.31
で、金利はちゃんと返せるの？
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