601名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MokcoFkX02023/06/30(金) 18:47:53.74
野球批判するなら、建てるな！って側になれよwwww
なんで同じ事しようとすんねんwwww
アホかよwwww
617名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wLZqYYeP0
>>601
たしかに
たしかに
621名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aMaEP8tT0
>>601
野球に嫉妬してるだけだから
野球に嫉妬してるだけだから
604名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MM5KOVgP02023/06/30(金) 18:49:18.66
サッカーは世界で永久的に残るスポーツだぞ。ケチケチしないで投資しろよ
619名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:opSLx7zz0
>>604
自分たちで資金用意して建てろ。スポンサー集めたり銀行から金借りてな。
自分たちで資金用意して建てろ。スポンサー集めたり銀行から金借りてな。
なんでJリーグが勝手に決めたスタジアム要件で１００億２００億のスタジアムを税金で建てて税金で維持管理しなきゃいかんのだ。
建設費の償還どころか毎年の維持管理費すら稼げない自称プロのクラブに、なんで補助金突っ込まなきゃいかんのよ。
どこまで乞食根性なんだ。よく恥ずかしくも無く球蹴れるな。
625名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MM5KOVgP0
>>619
だからサッカーは世界的スポーツなんだから、病院や消防署をつくるのと同じくらいサッカー場くらい作る投資しても良いだろ。
だからサッカーは世界的スポーツなんだから、病院や消防署をつくるのと同じくらいサッカー場くらい作る投資しても良いだろ。
628名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:opSLx7zz0
>>625
>だからサッカーは世界的スポーツなんだから、
>だからサッカーは世界的スポーツなんだから、
だからそんな素晴らしいスポーツのプロクラブなら、当然稼げるだろ。
なんでJリーグが勝手に決めたスタジアム要件で１００億２００億のスタジアムを税金で建てて税金で維持管理しなきゃいかんのだ。
建設費の償還どころか毎年の維持管理費すら稼げない自称プロのクラブに、なんで補助金突っ込まなきゃいかんのよ。
どこまで乞食根性なんだ。よく恥ずかしくも無く球蹴れるな。
654名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OCHOKArP0
>>625
世界的なスポーツなら自前で建てても赤字にはならんだろ
クラブが自分で建てて自分で維持するなら誰も反対はしないわ
世界的なスポーツなら自前で建てても赤字にはならんだろ
クラブが自分で建てて自分で維持するなら誰も反対はしないわ
629名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MokcoFkX0
>>619
よく恥ずかしくもなく球蹴れるなって粒立てるとオモロいなw
よく恥ずかしくもなく球蹴れるなって粒立てるとオモロいなw
632名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:opSLx7zz0
>>629
どっかで見て、語呂が良かったので使ってみた。
どっかで見て、語呂が良かったので使ってみた。
「恥ずかしげも無く」だったかもしれんけど。
612名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:nneKRjrZ0
>>604
リターンがないものに投資されないんよ
サッカー専用スタジアムなんて金をドブに捨てるようなもんなんよ
リターンがないものに投資されないんよ
サッカー専用スタジアムなんて金をドブに捨てるようなもんなんよ
606名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:w21yMCn502023/06/30(金) 18:49:24.74
病院や消防署と球蹴り場を同列に考えるなんて…
これがヘディング脳か…
これがヘディング脳か…
607名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:BHhdSy4f02023/06/30(金) 18:49:45.91
アマチュアが使うのなら分かるけどコイツらってプロ専用のを作ろうとしてるんだろ
609名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aVZJF7Sc02023/06/30(金) 18:50:22.43
サッカーも不倫も文化
石田純一と同程度の言い回し
石田純一と同程度の言い回し
610名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/Xh1XC8302023/06/30(金) 18:50:43.89
あたり前田のクラッカー
611名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:o+Ni7i3g02023/06/30(金) 18:50:51.10
鹿島とか浦和はいいよなぁ、盛り上がるし見やすそう
こっちは味スタだけど、陸上併設だからバックからだと遠いし、若干広すぎる、ガラガラやんって思う時あるし
もっとこじんまりとしてて人がいっぱい入ってる感をかんじれる専用スタジアムをホームに出来たらいいよね
こっちは味スタだけど、陸上併設だからバックからだと遠いし、若干広すぎる、ガラガラやんって思う時あるし
もっとこじんまりとしてて人がいっぱい入ってる感をかんじれる専用スタジアムをホームに出来たらいいよね
618名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZMbzoDbM0
>>611
Jリーグのスタジアム内で唯一と言ってもいい黒字のスタジアムなんだから
そんなに文句言うもんじゃない
Jリーグのスタジアム内で唯一と言ってもいい黒字のスタジアムなんだから
そんなに文句言うもんじゃない
よーやってるよ
613名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hPS9/jts02023/06/30(金) 18:50:58.93
アタマおかしいな
614名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:l9B8YQhx02023/06/30(金) 18:51:25.90
習志野「天然芝フィールドの効率悪いから人工芝にするわ」
サカ豚「金は出さないけど綺麗な天然芝維持しないとは何事だ！」
992名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6s4PjDr+0
>>614
幕張あるけどアパホテルから丸見えだから使わない
幕張あるけどアパホテルから丸見えだから使わない
622名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JE+LUQb/02023/06/30(金) 18:53:57.27
焼き豚って年中サカスタ建てるなぁ言ってるよな
お前らカスの少数派がいくらわめいても無意味といい加減悟れやｗ
お前らカスの少数派がいくらわめいても無意味といい加減悟れやｗ
627名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CDx8L7bh0
>>622
これは実際にスタジアム建てませんってのが元の話なのに何言ってんだコイツ
これは実際にスタジアム建てませんってのが元の話なのに何言ってんだコイツ
623名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pENMMcz402023/06/30(金) 18:54:48.15
っぱサッカーさんサイドがいろいろ嘘情報を垂れ流してたんやね
人間としてアカンやつらやね
そらガムクチャで小学校訪問しますわ
人間としてアカンやつらやね
そらガムクチャで小学校訪問しますわ
624名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:c3U9wpUR02023/06/30(金) 18:54:52.48
サッカー様にさからうの？
これからもサッカーは一番人気だし若い世代まじで強いぞ？
野球、卓球、柔道とかくそスポーツなんかみるなよ
これからもサッカーは一番人気だし若い世代まじで強いぞ？
野球、卓球、柔道とかくそスポーツなんかみるなよ
630名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:S46FVy7G02023/06/30(金) 18:57:17.84
サカ専は事実上本拠を置く特定のクラブが独占使用することになって、
建設費と維持費が現状のJの規定じゃかなり高くつき、
しかもまともに使われるのは月2回程度なのが問題。
せめて専用やめて陸上トラックつけて陸上の大会にも使えるようにするか、
規定緩めて安上がりでできるようにすりゃ建設進むだろうに。
建設費と維持費が現状のJの規定じゃかなり高くつき、
しかもまともに使われるのは月2回程度なのが問題。
せめて専用やめて陸上トラックつけて陸上の大会にも使えるようにするか、
規定緩めて安上がりでできるようにすりゃ建設進むだろうに。
673名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Zwf6WJIL0
>>630
まともに使われない埋まらないデカイのが1個あるより、
キャパは1万以下で屋根もなくて小さくても地域のサッカークラブや部活にも使える物が複数ある方が「文化」に近づくと思うんだけどね。
入れ換え制があればリーグレベルにあるかどうかは実力のみで計ればいいわけでそれ以外の参入障壁を作る理由がない。
大昔はでかいスタジアムを中心とした町作りなんて幻想があったが、
そんなの実現例、予定も含めて日本にないわけでね。
まともに使われない埋まらないデカイのが1個あるより、
キャパは1万以下で屋根もなくて小さくても地域のサッカークラブや部活にも使える物が複数ある方が「文化」に近づくと思うんだけどね。
入れ換え制があればリーグレベルにあるかどうかは実力のみで計ればいいわけでそれ以外の参入障壁を作る理由がない。
大昔はでかいスタジアムを中心とした町作りなんて幻想があったが、
そんなの実現例、予定も含めて日本にないわけでね。
634名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OqwG5WoC02023/06/30(金) 18:58:24.38
県民とか市民とか騙されなくなってるから
誠実にスタジアムを建設するメリット語りゃいいんや
誠実にスタジアムを建設するメリット語りゃいいんや
636名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6TF3eyqw02023/06/30(金) 18:59:04.36
サッカー好きだけどこの手の話はいつも？ってなる
何故市が関わらなきゃいけないのよと
公的な物でも無し
何故市が関わらなきゃいけないのよと
公的な物でも無し
647名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MokcoFkX0
>>636
ﾔｷﾌﾞｰだけど専スタ作れ！は気持ち解るでw
ﾔｷﾌﾞｰだけど専スタ作れ！は気持ち解るでw
基準はもっと緩くていいと思うけどw
638名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+6lGhdwH02023/06/30(金) 18:59:51.09
え！？
サッカー場＝病院＝消防署
なわけ？
サッカーって人命助けるのかよ
サッカー場＝病院＝消防署
なわけ？
サッカーって人命助けるのかよ
639名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6O3g2Rm502023/06/30(金) 19:00:21.39
ペイするってどういう意味？
649名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MokcoFkX0
>>639
元とれます？って意味だけど
640名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wqsLWF/Q02023/06/30(金) 19:00:26.91
ゴミ散らかしてくじゃん
641名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iGH0Sh2C02023/06/30(金) 19:00:29.64
明治神宮は大学野球とヤクルトが同じ日につかったり
甲子園予選で神宮エスコンZOZOとかが無料で貸し出されるけど
甲子園予選で神宮エスコンZOZOとかが無料で貸し出されるけど
サッカーは子供や学生に貸してる？
642名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:opSLx7zz02023/06/30(金) 19:00:32.86
自治体としては、普通の企業誘致と同様に考えればいいのだ。
自治体がやるのは、公用地の使用許可と税の減免措置。
そんで、建物への投資やその運営は、全部企業の自己負担。
同じことを、プロのクラブ誘致でもやればいいのよ。
651名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:S46FVy7G0
>>642
普通の企業誘致は地元の雇用が促進されたり、地元や自治体の財政が潤う結果を
期待して誘致するんだが、Jは大したプラスの効果はなく逆にもっと税金クレクレになるから…。
普通の企業誘致は地元の雇用が促進されたり、地元や自治体の財政が潤う結果を
期待して誘致するんだが、Jは大したプラスの効果はなく逆にもっと税金クレクレになるから…。
646名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GImuI2z902023/06/30(金) 19:01:45.88
非営利でやってるなら分かるんだけど営利団体なんでしょ?
なんで自分たちの税金使って金儲けさせなきゃならないの?
ってなるのは目に見えてるよね
要は人に食わせてもらう飯はそんなに美味いか?って話
まぁ不正にまみれたオリンピックとは少し違うのかもだけど
こういうのも形を変えた中抜きと言えるかもしれない
なんで自分たちの税金使って金儲けさせなきゃならないの?
ってなるのは目に見えてるよね
要は人に食わせてもらう飯はそんなに美味いか?って話
まぁ不正にまみれたオリンピックとは少し違うのかもだけど
こういうのも形を変えた中抜きと言えるかもしれない
648名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:w9pL3uOO02023/06/30(金) 19:02:27.61
アリーナとか体育館って下手したら一日中使えるからそっちの方が儲かるか流石に
災害時に使えるのもデカいから建てるにしても文句を言う人も少なさそう
災害時に使えるのもデカいから建てるにしても文句を言う人も少なさそう
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