気持ちええんやろなぁ
包丁だったら殺人だろうけど、なにが違うの？
猿之助襲名するのをお父さんに直前まで言わなかった
「俺明日から猿之助になるからよろしくね」って言っただけんで襲名後の公演で親父の楽屋を大部屋に回した
＞襲名後の公演で親父の楽屋を大部屋に回した
なかなか失礼だね
猿之助と段四郎は二枚看板ということで
段四郎が格下というものではないらしいけども
長年役者をやってきたお父さんへのリスペクトとかないのかな
一門の皆さんもビックリか
楽屋割りに関しては
劇場の楽屋の数とかにもよるから何とも言えないのかもよ
襲名したばかりの役者や公演の座長の楽屋には関係者がたくさん挨拶しにきたりするから大きな楽屋を割り当てたりとかもある
なるほどそういうこともあるんだな
そもそも楽屋割りを決めるのは制作スタッフの仕事なのでね
あと古い劇場とかだと
楽屋の数や造りが今時の演者＋スタッフの規模やセクション数、人数に見合ってない事も多い
猿之助継いで立場逆転したからな
難しい関係性ではあったと思うわ
関係者には取材行くし、親にも行くかと
直接無かったとしても、どこからか情報は入る
馴染みの鰻屋さんの証言を紹介してたんだけど
猿之助さんがいつも自転車でうなぎを買いに来られると
で必ず三人前をテイクアウトされるんですよ
という旨だったが
お父様の体調が思わしくないという情報より前の放送だったからあまり不思議には思ってなかったが…
親子三人の三人前って訳じゃなかったのかなあ
とりあえず罪名は自殺幇助で逮捕状取って
慎重に調べていくんだろう
ビニール袋かけて窒息死させるのは
どう考えても殺人罪だが、どんなアクロバット理論が出てくるんだろう
致死量にいたらない睡眠薬でなぜか死んだことにする？
上級家族会議で決まったことなので自殺幇助
↓
「うるせぇな！だったら勝手に死ねよ！俺がやってやろうか？！」
↓
＊＊＊本当にやっちゃった＊＊＊
↓
「やべー、このままじゃ殺人罪になっちまう・・・そうだ！一家心中未遂にしよう！俺は死に損なったってことで・・・それなら俺も被害者面できる！」
こんな感じか
そんなところやろな
アタマに血が上ってやったんやろ
しかしやったあとの冷静さよ
すげぇ悪知恵働くよな
他の人の助け借りるのはダメだとなってノイローゼ気味
そこにさらに心労がのっかると思ったら
なんてな
ん～、他人の力を借りたくなくても（自宅療養にしても）病院等がほっとかないよ今は
必ず介護認定とらせてケアマネついて、訪問看護師や訪問診療等、必ず他人は入ってくるよ？よほどの貧乏人じゃなければ
ある事件で最愛の息子が死んでしまい絶望した夫婦が心中するってシーン
妻に薬を飲ませてベッドに寝かせて、自分も頭からビニール袋をかぶって…
どっちにしろ巻き込まれた両親は可哀想だな
ホントに家族会議で決まったとしても
法を逃れてやりたい放題など反社そのもの
私刑にされた政治家がいたな
親が生き残ったなら、少しは同情の余地もあるし、殺人疑惑も掛けにくいだろうが
張本人のしょーもない息子が生き残っちゃうという最悪パターン
ワザワザゴミ捨て場に薬の箱やらビニール袋を捨てに行ってるんだ?
随分冷静な行動だよな
それすらも見つかって無ければますます謎だけど
あと自宅にあったとされる養生テープは私物として家族の誰かが当日までに購入した物なのかな？
劇場、テレビ局、撮影現場などだと養生テープめちゃくちゃ使うんだよね
例えば事件直前に本人が現場で一本貰ったなどの証言が出たら
それはそれで計画性の有無に関わるかも
薬溶かしたコップまで処分してるから当然養生テープの残りも燃えるゴミに出したんだろうな
コップも謎だよね…
芯の付いた状態の養生テープ本体ごと捨ててたら不自然な気がしてしまうね
袋や使ったテープは
もしかしたら汚れとか酷い跡とかが悲しすぎて
捨てるのも分からなくもないけど
コップやテープ本体まで無いとなった場合…
はっきり本人が自殺するつもりでその人に手伝ってもらうって意志を確認出来る証拠を残してない限り
じゃないとかなりの殺人が自殺幇助に出来るやん
自殺幇助する側もそしたら証拠残すように努力するだろ
「STOP！自殺」みたいに、命の電話みたいなの紹介したり
歌舞伎界の今後を憂いた報道や、忖度した歌舞伎ファンの声ばかり報道してた
だが今でも、猟奇的な大事件で大ゴシップのわりには報道時間が少ない
>>934が言いたいのはそういう事じゃないだろ。
まだ自殺というのがはっきりしない段階でマスコミが「これは自殺」として報道するのは駄目だろって事。
世論がそう受け止め警察が捜査を止めてしまうという事は無いだろうが、
真相がはっきりするまでは、ただ判明している事実のみを報道すればよい。
当初は自殺報道だっただろ
警察のリークもそうだったし
今でも自殺幇助か委託だか殺人だか明らかになっていない
自殺も視野に入れて、自殺防止を訴えるのに何か問題あるか？
自殺も視野に入れて、ってすぐに自殺の線で報道するなって事だわな。
これは事件後すぐに出てきた事だぞ↓？
【文春】睡眠薬を飲んだ両親にビニール袋を被せ…「死にきれなかった」市川猿之助に迫る“自殺幇助罪”の捜査 [Ailuropoda melanoleuca★]
言っとくが、マスコミはいつも適当なところで報道している
はっきりするとかしないとか、何年も判決待てるの？君
>>952
落ち着けよ。何で2つも連続してレスしてんだ？
当初からスキャンダルが出るタイミングで心中ってはおかしい、と言われていた。
当たり前だよな？
何で息子のスキャンダル如きで両親揃って自殺しなきゃならん？
「え？そんな事あるかよ」ってのが当たり前
お前はすぐに信じたのか？
お前が検察の判断を待って報道とか頓珍漢な知識でものをいうから
マスコミはいつもどんな事件も自分の都合で報道しますよという話をしている
あと、テレビとネット中心の雑誌では全然責任違うので
ごちゃ混ぜにしないでくれ
落ち着いたほうがいいのはお前の頭
検察の報道を待って、じゃねえよ。
よく読めアホ
真相が判明するまで、分かっている事実のみを報道はしろって書いただろ
だから落ち着けっての
>>961は読んだか？
マスコミは親子仲良く心中の線で報道していたっては分かるか？
普通で考えたらおかしいところがあるだろうよ。
お前は猿之助の言葉を信じたのか？
連続になったのは結果論だ
同じペースで投稿しても間に挟まることもある
お前がツッコミどころ多すぎなんだよw
マスコミもちつけ派なのか、マスコミ信じてる派なのか
どっちかにしろ
あと起訴してから判決までどれくらいかかると思ってます？
確定というのは最高裁まで行ったとき初めていうんだよ
司法制度もねじ曲げないでくれ
だから落ち着けっての
>>961は読んだか？
マスコミは親子仲良く心中の線で報道していたっては分かるか？
普通で考えたらおかしいところがあるだろうよ。
お前は猿之助の言葉を信じたのか？
確かに当初のマスコミの報道はそのようなものだった。
ちなみに
【芸能】上沼恵美子、渦中の猿之助への思い語る 「芸達者で『芸の虫』」「神さんに生かされたと思う」「あなたの代わりはいない」 [ニーニーφ★]
しかしネットなどではすぐに情報が出ていた。
俺はそのスレの中でこのようなレスをした↓。
【文春】睡眠薬を飲んだ両親にビニール袋を被せ…「死にきれなかった」市川猿之助に迫る“自殺幇助罪”の捜査 [Ailuropoda melanoleuca★]
警察の捜査が終わって検察の判断を待ってから公共の電波で語ったほうが良い
検察の判断って何？？
そこでもまだ確定じゃなくて、そこから長い道のりあるんですけど
中途半端な知識のものが綺麗事を言ってるだけ
>>952
落ち着けよ。何で2つも連続してレスしてんだ？
当初からスキャンダルが出るタイミングで心中ってはおかしい、と言われていた。
当たり前だよな？
何で息子のスキャンダル如きで両親揃って自殺しなきゃならん？
「え？そんな事あるかよ」ってのが当たり前
お前はすぐに信じたのか？
お前が検察の判断を待って報道とか頓珍漢な知識でものをいうから
マスコミはいつもどんな事件も自分の都合で報道しますよという話をしている
あと、テレビとネット中心の雑誌では全然責任違うので
ごちゃ混ぜにしないでくれ
落ち着いたほうがいいのはお前の頭
検察の報道を待って、じゃねえよ。
よく読めアホ
真相が判明するまで、分かっている事実のみを報道はしろって書いただろ
だから落ち着けっての
>>961は読んだか？
マスコミは親子仲良く心中の線で報道していたっては分かるか？
普通で考えたらおかしいところがあるだろうよ。
お前は猿之助の言葉を信じたのか？
連続になったのは結果論だ
同じペースで投稿しても間に挟まることもある
お前がツッコミどころ多すぎなんだよw
マスコミもちつけ派なのか、マスコミ信じてる派なのか
どっちかにしろ
あと起訴してから判決までどれくらいかかると思ってます？
確定というのは最高裁まで行ったとき初めていうんだよ
司法制度もねじ曲げないでくれ
だから落ち着けっての
>>961は読んだか？
マスコミは親子仲良く心中の線で報道していたっては分かるか？
普通で考えたらおかしいところがあるだろうよ。
お前は猿之助の言葉を信じたのか？
>「STOP！自殺」みたいに、命の電話みたいなの紹介したり
それは数年前から自殺報道する時の決まりになった
猿之助で始まったわけじゃない
>>934が言いたいのはそういう事じゃないだろ。
まだ自殺というのがはっきりしない段階でマスコミが「これは自殺」として報道するのは駄目だろって事。
世論がそう受け止め警察が捜査を止めてしまうという事は無いだろうが、
真相がはっきりするまでは、ただ判明している事実のみを報道すればよい。
当初は自殺報道だっただろ
警察のリークもそうだったし
今でも自殺幇助か委託だか殺人だか明らかになっていない
自殺も視野に入れて、自殺防止を訴えるのに何か問題あるか？
自殺も視野に入れて、ってすぐに自殺の線で報道するなって事だわな。
これは事件後すぐに出てきた事だぞ↓？
【文春】睡眠薬を飲んだ両親にビニール袋を被せ…「死にきれなかった」市川猿之助に迫る“自殺幇助罪”の捜査 [Ailuropoda melanoleuca★]
https://hayabusa9.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1684912010/
言っとくが、マスコミはいつも適当なところで報道している
はっきりするとかしないとか、何年も判決待てるの？君
>>952
落ち着けよ。何で2つも連続してレスしてんだ？
当初からスキャンダルが出るタイミングで心中ってはおかしい、と言われていた。
当たり前だよな？
何で息子のスキャンダル如きで両親揃って自殺しなきゃならん？
「え？そんな事あるかよ」ってのが当たり前
お前はすぐに信じたのか？
お前が検察の判断を待って報道とか頓珍漢な知識でものをいうから
マスコミはいつもどんな事件も自分の都合で報道しますよという話をしている
あと、テレビとネット中心の雑誌では全然責任違うので
ごちゃ混ぜにしないでくれ
落ち着いたほうがいいのはお前の頭
検察の報道を待って、じゃねえよ。
よく読めアホ
真相が判明するまで、分かっている事実のみを報道はしろって書いただろ
だから落ち着けっての
>>961は読んだか？
マスコミは親子仲良く心中の線で報道していたっては分かるか？
普通で考えたらおかしいところがあるだろうよ。
お前は猿之助の言葉を信じたのか？
連続になったのは結果論だ
同じペースで投稿しても間に挟まることもある
お前がツッコミどころ多すぎなんだよw
マスコミもちつけ派なのか、マスコミ信じてる派なのか
どっちかにしろ
あと起訴してから判決までどれくらいかかると思ってます？
確定というのは最高裁まで行ったとき初めていうんだよ
司法制度もねじ曲げないでくれ
だから落ち着けっての
>>961は読んだか？
マスコミは親子仲良く心中の線で報道していたっては分かるか？
普通で考えたらおかしいところがあるだろうよ。
お前は猿之助の言葉を信じたのか？
そりゃそうだろうね
立証責任は心中と言い張る側にあるわけだし
それ飲んだら顔にビニールかぶせて養生テープで止めて、窒息させてくれ、頼んだぞ
って家族会議したのか？
絶対しねーわな
家族殺した奴はみんな
家族会議したからって言い出すわ
そんなに忖度されないから安心しろ
それに一家心中も利己的な行為で一種の殺人だが
それなりの量刑が決まってるので
ここまで変な細工をしてもしなくてもって感じ
相模原みたいな赤の他人はもう完全に殺人罪なんで、変な真似をしないように！！
担当刑事が猿の好みまであるだろ
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