251名無しさん@恐縮ですID:av3ADWtc02023/07/01(土) 11:01:40.86
これ殺人だな
252名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RitFnuU102023/07/01(土) 11:01:41.99
口に入れるだけで殺せる薬を持っていたなら窒息死の証言するのが不思議。
253名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qvpIDG4J02023/07/01(土) 11:02:11.49
手にかけてる以上、たとえ両親に死ぬ気があったとしても自殺幇助ではなく嘱託殺人
死ぬ気がなかったのなら嘱託ですらないしな
死ぬ気がなかったのなら嘱託ですらないしな
268名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KtXHuMnx0
>>253
だよな
原因も動機も死ぬ道具も後始末も全てを猿之助が用意・実行しているのに、自殺幇助で済むのかよ
だよな
原因も動機も死ぬ道具も後始末も全てを猿之助が用意・実行しているのに、自殺幇助で済むのかよ
272名無しさん@恐縮ですID:12cctlHh0
>>268
結局、死人に口無しだよな
まぁ家族内のトラブルに警察や世間があーだこーだ言ってもしゃーない
民事不介入の原則って奴だな
結局、死人に口無しだよな
まぁ家族内のトラブルに警察や世間があーだこーだ言ってもしゃーない
民事不介入の原則って奴だな
255名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1KfDPAdl02023/07/01(土) 11:03:42.98
564やね
270名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qBkyZeL10
>>255
捜査一課が入ったという事はそういう意味なんだしw
検察もそれで起訴したいんだろーけどw
無理なら求刑MAXにするしかないw
麻薬及び向精神薬取締法違反も付けてw
10年www
捜査一課が入ったという事はそういう意味なんだしw
検察もそれで起訴したいんだろーけどw
無理なら求刑MAXにするしかないw
麻薬及び向精神薬取締法違反も付けてw
10年www
282名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fpa+GmTV0
>>270
未成年への強制性交もつけて
15年!
未成年への強制性交もつけて
15年!
256名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PeTovKdg02023/07/01(土) 11:04:21.52
週刊誌の件を問い詰められて
言い訳できない追い込まれた状況と羞恥心から
殺害に至ったのは誰もが容易に想像出来る
言い訳できない追い込まれた状況と羞恥心から
殺害に至ったのは誰もが容易に想像出来る
257名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/qLQSkLo02023/07/01(土) 11:04:27.32
「両親にかけたビニール袋を養生テープでとめた」
歌詞みたいなセリフみたいな
258名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8vdcicBR02023/07/01(土) 11:05:07.76
これは猿罪だ
259名無しさん@恐縮ですID:toqyUDMZ02023/07/01(土) 11:05:14.26
普通に考えるとさ、自分の失態のせいで親が死ぬって言ったら全力で止めない?
260名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fpa+GmTV02023/07/01(土) 11:05:37.99
心中に見せかけて猿だけ生き残る
猿は両親の遺産ゲット
そのお金でMくんと2人で愛の暮らしを
猿は両親の遺産ゲット
そのお金でMくんと2人で愛の暮らしを
ていう計画かなあ
261名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RitFnuU102023/07/01(土) 11:06:26.71
殺人だったとしても、何者かに脅されて殺したという線は消えてないはず。
262名無しさん@恐縮ですID:SA9LN6jy02023/07/01(土) 11:06:29.90
セクハラ、パワハラは猿之助だけの問題なんだから
猿之助本人が死ねば、さすがに両親にマスコミがキツく追及することはなかっただろ
なんで両親巻き込むというか両親だけ死なせてるんだよ
猿之助本人が死ねば、さすがに両親にマスコミがキツく追及することはなかっただろ
なんで両親巻き込むというか両親だけ死なせてるんだよ
274名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fpa+GmTV0
>>262
自分が死ぬのはイヤだったんでは?
自分が死ぬのはイヤだったんでは?
パパとママに死んでもらおう
ボクのためならイヤとは言わないはず!
これで同情されて醜聞も収まる
ボクってアッタマいいー
まさか逮捕されるとは予想していなかったのかも
267名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6rS6s8vP0
>>262
だよな
そんなアホだから両親だけ殺してるんだろうな
だよな
そんなアホだから両親だけ殺してるんだろうな
263名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nQ0JVdZv02023/07/01(土) 11:06:30.95
普通に計画的で悪質な殺人じゃねえか
265名無しさん@恐縮ですID:12cctlHh02023/07/01(土) 11:06:41.50
検死ってのもあんまりアテにならないんだな・・・
どう考えても窒息死だと思うけどね
どう考えても窒息死だと思うけどね
328名無しさん@恐縮ですID:50lsC/1l0
>>265
リアルUDIがあれば…
リアルUDIがあれば…
298名無しさん@恐縮ですID:k11LdiSe0
>>265
実際「中毒死の疑い」という曖昧な発表なんだよね
実際「中毒死の疑い」という曖昧な発表なんだよね
271名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RitFnuU102023/07/01(土) 11:09:11.34
このレベルだと猿之助だけの問題じゃない。
歌舞伎界全体の問題だし、国家の問題でもある。
大本では議員や経済界も関係あるだろうから。
騒動を悪用してトカゲの尻尾きりを計画した人がいるのかも。
歌舞伎界全体の問題だし、国家の問題でもある。
大本では議員や経済界も関係あるだろうから。
騒動を悪用してトカゲの尻尾きりを計画した人がいるのかも。
300名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6rS6s8vP0
>>271
歌舞伎界はともかく国家はなんの関係もないわ
歌舞伎が無くなろうとコイツが亡くなろうと国家には関係無いし
歌舞伎界はともかく国家はなんの関係もないわ
歌舞伎が無くなろうとコイツが亡くなろうと国家には関係無いし
304名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fpa+GmTV0
>>300
議員連盟が守るって言ってるようだが
議員連盟が守るって言ってるようだが
313名無しさん@恐縮ですID:m6y+RFWH0
>>304
議員連盟ってのは政党であって国家じゃないぞ
議員連盟ってのは政党であって国家じゃないぞ
325名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fpa+GmTV0
>>313
政党でもないな
歌舞伎を愛する議連とか何かそういうのだからな
政党でもないな
歌舞伎を愛する議連とか何かそういうのだからな
そんなのが警察や検察に圧力かけるとしたら大問題
330名無しさん@恐縮ですID:m6y+RFWH0
>>325
話すり替えるなよ。単なるサークルなのにどこが国家なんだ
話すり替えるなよ。単なるサークルなのにどこが国家なんだ
336名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fpa+GmTV0
>>330
ん?国家じゃないよだから
ん?国家じゃないよだから
国会議員の連盟が動いてるって噂を書きたかっただけだが
何か気に障ったらすまんな
354名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TXihXueu0
>>336
睡眠薬には大抵軽い筋弛緩作用もあるが
それがどれだけ効いてるかだな
睡眠薬にプラスして筋弛緩作用の強いジアゼパムあたりを一緒に飲むと確実に抵抗力は無くなる
目が覚めても手足は動かせず
ベッドや床に張り付いたようになる
サイレース以外にも別の何かを飲ませたという報道もあったな
睡眠薬には大抵軽い筋弛緩作用もあるが
それがどれだけ効いてるかだな
睡眠薬にプラスして筋弛緩作用の強いジアゼパムあたりを一緒に飲むと確実に抵抗力は無くなる
目が覚めても手足は動かせず
ベッドや床に張り付いたようになる
サイレース以外にも別の何かを飲ませたという報道もあったな
357名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TXihXueu0
>>354はレス間違い
>>327だった
341名無しさん@恐縮ですID:m6y+RFWH0
>>336
何が「ん?」だ
お前は国家うんぬんに噛み付いただろが
知ったかぶりを誤魔化しても無駄だわ
何が「ん?」だ
お前は国家うんぬんに噛み付いただろが
知ったかぶりを誤魔化しても無駄だわ
319名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RitFnuU10
>>300
関係あるよ。
捜査にも関与してるみたいだし、税金入ってるし、性加害の問題だし。
家ぐるみで口封じされてもおかしくない立場。
関係あるよ。
捜査にも関与してるみたいだし、税金入ってるし、性加害の問題だし。
家ぐるみで口封じされてもおかしくない立場。
273名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OpnV2enZ02023/07/01(土) 11:09:24.41
普通なら両親を巻き添えになんかしないで
勝手に死ぬよね
因果が逆の典型やろこれ
勝手に死ぬよね
因果が逆の典型やろこれ
両親が悲観したから一緒に死ぬとか
こじつけがすぎる
276名無しさん@恐縮ですID:12cctlHh0
>>273
なにがふつーか知らんけど、一家心中は日本の美しい文化でもあるしな・・・
なにがふつーか知らんけど、一家心中は日本の美しい文化でもあるしな・・・
281名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OpnV2enZ0
>>276
家が貧しいとかなら分かるけど息子のやらかしで
両親まで死ぬのおかしくない?
家が貧しいとかなら分かるけど息子のやらかしで
両親まで死ぬのおかしくない?
283名無しさん@恐縮ですID:12cctlHh0
>>281
老いては子に従えって言うけど、世帯主は猿之助なんだろ?
日本の美しい文化では生殺与奪の権は世帯主にあるよ
老いては子に従えって言うけど、世帯主は猿之助なんだろ?
日本の美しい文化では生殺与奪の権は世帯主にあるよ
308名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OpnV2enZ0
>>283
その発想が歌舞伎的だわ
シナリオくさい
その発想が歌舞伎的だわ
シナリオくさい
275名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Hh502gai02023/07/01(土) 11:10:04.06
薬飲ませてビニール袋被せる
防犯カメラに薬のパッケージとビニール袋を捨てる姿が映ってる
これでも殺人にならないのが上級の世界
防犯カメラに薬のパッケージとビニール袋を捨てる姿が映ってる
これでも殺人にならないのが上級の世界
277名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OpnV2enZ02023/07/01(土) 11:11:02.49
つまり最初からどうやって両親を殺したら
最小限の量刑で済むかを考えた結果だろう
最小限の量刑で済むかを考えた結果だろう
278名無しさん@恐縮ですID:varg4i6j02023/07/01(土) 11:11:09.65
普段からパワハラしてたんだったらスキャンダルにされるのも報いだろう。因果応報だ。
279名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eUOPb7Vy02023/07/01(土) 11:11:38.03
猿は両親殺しておいて今は自分の刑が下がるよう必死な演技をしてんだな
歌舞伎ものよのう
歌舞伎ものよのう
280名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IwtjmD1802023/07/01(土) 11:11:40.09
まあ猿之助の代役は香川照之に決定済みだし
犯罪者だらけで地獄やね
犯罪者だらけで地獄やね
284名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+JS/Uw2H02023/07/01(土) 11:12:46.23
いやこれで自殺幇助になる根拠てなに?
薬をどう飲ませたかも分からんし
ビニール被せたけど死因は窒息じゃないってのも意味不明
薬で死んでから被せたの?
薬をどう飲ませたかも分からんし
ビニール被せたけど死因は窒息じゃないってのも意味不明
薬で死んでから被せたの?
302名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qBkyZeL10
>>284
疑わしきは被告人の利益に原則があるからなw
両親が死んだ今w自殺する意思の確認方法が無いw
疑わしきは被告人の利益に原則があるからなw
両親が死んだ今w自殺する意思の確認方法が無いw
472名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+JS/Uw2H0
>>302
でもこれ
殺してる点に疑いはないわけで…
でもこれ
殺してる点に疑いはないわけで…
478名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qBkyZeL10
>>472
ホモ之助は家族会議があってw
皆で自殺しようとなったと言ってるw
薬は用意して飲みやすいようにはしたけど両親が自ら飲んだとも言ってるw
薬のガラもないw飲んだ容器も無いw
ビニール袋もないw
確かめようが無いんだよw
物証が無いからw
ホモ之助は家族会議があってw
皆で自殺しようとなったと言ってるw
薬は用意して飲みやすいようにはしたけど両親が自ら飲んだとも言ってるw
薬のガラもないw飲んだ容器も無いw
ビニール袋もないw
確かめようが無いんだよw
物証が無いからw
490名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0SDu0Cf00
>>478
しかも両親パジャマで遺書もなし
しかも両親パジャマで遺書もなし
「みんな」で心中したのにな
499名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qBkyZeL10
>>490
言うても段四郎とその嫁なんだからw
紋付袴と着物に着替えるレベルww
言うても段四郎とその嫁なんだからw
紋付袴と着物に着替えるレベルww
285名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RitFnuU102023/07/01(土) 11:12:53.88
ゴミ袋が透けて中身が見えてたのか?
ゴミ捨て=証拠品の廃棄じゃないだろうに。
ゴミ捨て=証拠品の廃棄じゃないだろうに。
286名無しさん@恐縮ですID:i8jwBcn402023/07/01(土) 11:12:58.17
養生してやる。
この意味が違ってきた。
288名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7xrTh26b02023/07/01(土) 11:13:24.60
一般人なら初めから殺人として疑い尽くされるような事件だよな
でも何故かこの件に関しては自殺幇助で確定でもしたかのような進み方
でも何故かこの件に関しては自殺幇助で確定でもしたかのような進み方
289名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uQLJRKC702023/07/01(土) 11:13:36.56
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290名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uam0EkjN02023/07/01(土) 11:13:41.98
一万歩譲って、睡眠薬飲ませたあとに猿之助が紐か手かで首を絞めてたら、親に頼まれて泣く泣く幇助したのね…となるかも知れんが、ビニール袋かぶせて養生テープ→動かなくなったら外して死に顔見る だと、ただの凶悪な⚪︎人鬼だな
297名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fpa+GmTV0
>>290
養生テープ外して確認
なんか職人みたいだな
養生テープ外して確認
なんか職人みたいだな
291名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OpnV2enZ02023/07/01(土) 11:13:51.29
いかにも歌舞伎関係者が考えましたみたいなシナリオで
江戸明治くらいまでならまだしも現代社会でそれが
はいそうですねなんてならないわな
江戸明治くらいまでならまだしも現代社会でそれが
はいそうですねなんてならないわな
100年後くらいには演目になるかもしれんけど
292名無しさん@恐縮ですID:S5t6z1pJ02023/07/01(土) 11:14:00.60
んじゃ自分もビニールかぶって
首を養生テープでグルグル巻きにすればいいのに
「自分でやるのは無理」とは何ぞやwww
首を養生テープでグルグル巻きにすればいいのに
「自分でやるのは無理」とは何ぞやwww
293名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/qLQSkLo02023/07/01(土) 11:14:08.09
ハルシオン?10錠を致死量と誤解していたならば自殺なのか
307名無しさん@恐縮ですID:S5t6z1pJ0
>>293
ハルシオン40錠とセデス2箱飲んで
ピンピンしてる私が取りますよ
ハルシオン40錠とセデス2箱飲んで
ピンピンしてる私が取りますよ
294名無しさん@恐縮ですID:P43ZLpR602023/07/01(土) 11:14:13.01
これで殺人じゃないのかよ
296名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HYvZh7Rg02023/07/01(土) 11:14:39.11
本人の供述信用できんのかね
299名無しさん@恐縮ですID:L/RoUVfP02023/07/01(土) 11:14:56.81
両親の遺書がない時点で怪しい
家族会議までしたなら息子に嫌疑がかからないように遺書くらい残す
家族会議までしたなら息子に嫌疑がかからないように遺書くらい残す
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