800名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JsWxg6n/02023/07/01(土) 15:53:18.67
みんなはどこからおかしいなと思った？
自分は猿之助が翌日に退院した時からw
自分は猿之助が翌日に退院した時からw
816名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cWz1kx0y0
>>800
両親の顔にビニールを被せたという証言
両親の顔にビニールを被せたという証言
817名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZOE8cFCB0
>>800
自分だけ地下で緩くロープかけて誰か来るのを待っていたとこ
自分だけ地下で緩くロープかけて誰か来るのを待っていたとこ
835名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Wvdx7U+50
>>800
猿之助の遺書はあっても親の遺書が無かった時
猿之助の遺書はあっても親の遺書が無かった時
804名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4T4c8mVc0
>>800
退院というのがガセだったような
情報が錯綜してたからな
退院というのがガセだったような
情報が錯綜してたからな
811名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YfaRm6pX0
>>800搬送された時に猿だけ話せてたって報道で
861名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Tk2rY4gz0
>>800
死因が向精神薬による中毒死の疑い、と聞いたとき
今まで普通は、睡眠薬の過剰摂取による死亡の疑いみたいに報道されてたはず
死因が向精神薬による中毒死の疑い、と聞いたとき
今まで普通は、睡眠薬の過剰摂取による死亡の疑いみたいに報道されてたはず
なので、向精神薬は覚せい剤なんだなと思った
813名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A/loJXiN0
>>800
直ぐ意識が戻ったところから
直ぐ意識が戻ったところから
847名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FSbjdkv20
>>800
変な遺書
変な遺書
801名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ziBmdhKy02023/07/01(土) 15:53:29.74
解剖医はどこの誰？
そのへんの町医者しゃないよね？
死因間違ってるよね
そのへんの町医者しゃないよね？
死因間違ってるよね
821名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5v0ZMKUX0
>>801
睡眠薬が検出されたから、睡眠薬を死因にした気もする
猿之助、発覚後直ぐに袋被せを警察に言ったかだよな
睡眠薬が検出されたから、睡眠薬を死因にした気もする
猿之助、発覚後直ぐに袋被せを警察に言ったかだよな
803名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:nhb1CzrN02023/07/01(土) 15:55:22.39
あの世に行くなら旅立つ恰好になる筈
パジャマなんだから眠る気だっただけで
死ぬ気は無かったんだろ
パジャマなんだから眠る気だっただけで
死ぬ気は無かったんだろ
805名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uZ/h39xE02023/07/01(土) 15:56:12.76
猿之助は親が動かなくなるのを確認するような狂人だから一般人の考えじゃ動機を推し量れないよ
単になんとなく、かもしれない
単になんとなく、かもしれない
806名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pf+2tyJI02023/07/01(土) 15:56:57.43
薬物中毒の疑いって断定してないから見極めが難しかったのかもね
薬物中毒で死ぬ場合も酸欠状態で死ぬんだろうか？
薬物中毒で死ぬ場合も酸欠状態で死ぬんだろうか？
807名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VPiae85D02023/07/01(土) 15:56:57.56
仮に本当に親に自殺の手伝い頼まれたとしてさ
睡眠薬を水に溶かして用意するのは出来るかもしれんけど、
親の顔にビニール被せてテープで巻くって出来ねえわ俺
睡眠薬を水に溶かして用意するのは出来るかもしれんけど、
親の顔にビニール被せてテープで巻くって出来ねえわ俺
832名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7HCPgZZm0
>>807
両親ともに毒親だったのではと思っている。
父親は香川照之を捨てた先代猿之介の弟だから、親から同じ様に育てられているんだろうし。
母親も強烈キャラみたいだしね。
両親ともに毒親だったのではと思っている。
父親は香川照之を捨てた先代猿之介の弟だから、親から同じ様に育てられているんだろうし。
母親も強烈キャラみたいだしね。
959名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4T4c8mVc0
>>832
段四郎さんは温厚な人柄で知られてる
香川が学生時代に父親に会いに来て、冷たくされて泣いているとき肩を抱いて慰めてくれたらしい
兄が強烈だと弟は正反対になったりするものだよ
適当に毒扱いしてはいけない
段四郎さんは温厚な人柄で知られてる
香川が学生時代に父親に会いに来て、冷たくされて泣いているとき肩を抱いて慰めてくれたらしい
兄が強烈だと弟は正反対になったりするものだよ
適当に毒扱いしてはいけない
ただし猿母の延子さんはかなり気が強かったようだ
879名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fwNz+Q1T0
>>832
いくら毒親でも、自分がまだ子供で、現在進行形で直に何かされてでもない限りは無理だわ
長嶋一茂みたいに離れて暮らして会わなきゃいいだけだろ
どんなにトラブったとしても殺人者になりたくない気持ちが勝る
いくら毒親でも、自分がまだ子供で、現在進行形で直に何かされてでもない限りは無理だわ
長嶋一茂みたいに離れて暮らして会わなきゃいいだけだろ
どんなにトラブったとしても殺人者になりたくない気持ちが勝る
819名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XR4wYbSW0
>>807
嘔吐して苦しんでる姿を見たらやっぱり救急車呼ぶかもな
それで何らかの罪に問われたとしても構わない
嘔吐して苦しんでる姿を見たらやっぱり救急車呼ぶかもな
それで何らかの罪に問われたとしても構わない
814名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ziBmdhKy0
>>807
そうだよね。
しかも動かなくなってテープとビニール剥がして死顔みてるし、多分苦しまれた様子も見てる。なんならかけてあって布団で押さえたよね。あまりにも惨い。
そうだよね。
しかも動かなくなってテープとビニール剥がして死顔みてるし、多分苦しまれた様子も見てる。なんならかけてあって布団で押さえたよね。あまりにも惨い。
808名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YfaRm6pX02023/07/01(土) 15:57:40.43
首を絞めずにビニール窒息死させるとか、証拠隠滅に何度もゴミ捨てに出るのはずいぶん計算高い犯行でおぞましい
854名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7deZKy0M0
>>808
でも何度も捨てに行くほとせのゴミって出るのかな？
ゴミ量を増やして薬の空き袋とかビニール袋とか
目立たないようにわざとしたのかなと
でも何度も捨てに行くほとせのゴミって出るのかな？
ゴミ量を増やして薬の空き袋とかビニール袋とか
目立たないようにわざとしたのかなと
809名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VNojcXel02023/07/01(土) 15:57:53.19
親の遺書がないこと
心中といいつつ（しかも自分のせい）猿之助の遺書に親の事がいっさい出てこないこと
心中といいつつ（しかも自分のせい）猿之助の遺書に親の事がいっさい出てこないこと
初期から違和感はあった
812名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:x65hPU6+02023/07/01(土) 15:59:27.03
普通のジジババは認知症なんて病名で医者に通ったりしない
まだまだ自分ができる。まだ大丈夫と思っている奴が大半
病院に行くほど認知症が進んでいる時点で、自分で判断なんてできない
まだまだ自分ができる。まだ大丈夫と思っている奴が大半
病院に行くほど認知症が進んでいる時点で、自分で判断なんてできない
815名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oXQPGLay02023/07/01(土) 16:00:53.09
ビニール袋と言われているが
実際はポリエチレン袋かな？
実際はポリエチレン袋かな？
862名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7deZKy0M0
>>815
ゴミ出し用の袋だろうね
一枚でなく何枚も被せたんじゃないかな
そこまでするのは怖すぎだけど
ゴミ出し用の袋だろうね
一枚でなく何枚も被せたんじゃないかな
そこまでするのは怖すぎだけど
904名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oXQPGLay0
>>862
ゴミ出し用の袋なら原材料ポリエチレンが多いよね
原材料がビニールだと伸びやすさ等の質が微妙に変わってくるよね、多分
ゴミ出し用の袋なら原材料ポリエチレンが多いよね
原材料がビニールだと伸びやすさ等の質が微妙に変わってくるよね、多分
自宅にたまたま有った袋を当夜に思い立って使ったんだろか…
818名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VSjXFym/02023/07/01(土) 16:03:03.89
同意するにしても2人が一緒に同意するってかなり可能性は低いぞ
普通は死にたくないと思う
普通は死にたくないと思う
820名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VNojcXel02023/07/01(土) 16:05:00.52
親なら一緒に死のう！なんて決断するかな？
子供にはどうしたって生きてて欲しいものだと思うけど
子供にはどうしたって生きてて欲しいものだと思うけど
824名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A/loJXiN0
>>820
自分も子供いるが
そう言われたら
自分も子供いるが
そう言われたら
そんなことで死んでたら何回死ぬんだよアホらしい
と答えるw
857名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7deZKy0M0
>>824
だよねえ
だよねえ
829名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VNojcXel0
>>824
>>826
だよな
今日食べるご飯もないとか闘病生活でひどく苦しんでるとかでもないし、親主導で心中とか考えられない
>>826
だよな
今日食べるご飯もないとか闘病生活でひどく苦しんでるとかでもないし、親主導で心中とか考えられない
826名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:r/bb5Vxh0
>>820
猿之助が強引にそういう決断したんだろ
親なら生活保護でも何でも良いから生き延びて欲しいと思うんじゃないかな
猿之助が強引にそういう決断したんだろ
親なら生活保護でも何でも良いから生き延びて欲しいと思うんじゃないかな
829名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VNojcXel0
>>824
>>826
だよな
今日食べるご飯もないとか闘病生活でひどく苦しんでるとかでもないし、親主導で心中とか考えられない
>>826
だよな
今日食べるご飯もないとか闘病生活でひどく苦しんでるとかでもないし、親主導で心中とか考えられない
830名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MdIS9cL50
>>820
絶対に無い
子どもが死にたいなんて言ったら全身全霊人生賭けて止める
絶対に無い
子どもが死にたいなんて言ったら全身全霊人生賭けて止める
833名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A/loJXiN0
>>830
だよね
これが普通の親
だよね
これが普通の親
822名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cWz1kx0y02023/07/01(土) 16:05:35.34
父親の方は発見時まだ息があったと報道があったような
841名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:k11LdiSe0
>>822
意識不明とはあったけど生きてたという話は一切ない
少なくとも意識はなかったけど死んでるかどうか確認するために搬送したと思う
意識不明とはあったけど生きてたという話は一切ない
少なくとも意識はなかったけど死んでるかどうか確認するために搬送したと思う
823名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fddgZZzP02023/07/01(土) 16:05:37.53
養生テープを往生テープに改名しといて
825名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xa+lnkcb02023/07/01(土) 16:06:12.71
ミステリで自殺を偽装した殺人ってよくあるけどだいたい犯人のポロリでバレてお縄だよね
探偵がトリックを見破って自殺ではないことを証明する
↓
犯人「他殺かもしれないが俺がやった証拠はないだろう！証拠を出してみろ！」
↓
犯人が犯人しか知り得ないことを言ってしまう
↓
探偵「あなた今○○って言いましたね？」
↓
犯人「(しまった…！) そうだよ…俺がやったんだよ…」
結局自供がないとだめなんだろうか
状況から猿之助によるコロシとしか考えられなくても
827名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:glHDkmZg02023/07/01(土) 16:08:13.97
養生テープは網戸の隙間や穴に貼ってる
小虫はどこからでも入ってきやがる
小虫はどこからでも入ってきやがる
828名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:x65hPU6+02023/07/01(土) 16:08:29.11
仮に家族会議で一緒にって話になっていたとしても
手を加えている時点で幇助じゃない
自殺幇助はあくまで亡くなった本人が自発的にやる手助けであり、手を加えたらアウト
といっても家族会議そのものが全く信用できないが
手を加えている時点で幇助じゃない
自殺幇助はあくまで亡くなった本人が自発的にやる手助けであり、手を加えたらアウト
といっても家族会議そのものが全く信用できないが
831名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:seiDq/4Q02023/07/01(土) 16:09:55.35
自分の子供がゲイでもホモセクハラしても大犯罪やらかしても普通の親は我が子が一番愛おしいんだよ
猿之助はそこが全く分かってなかった
親の愛を限定的なものって捉えていた
ゲイゆえに親になれなかった悲劇か
猿之助はそこが全く分かってなかった
親の愛を限定的なものって捉えていた
ゲイゆえに親になれなかった悲劇か
834名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ziBmdhKy02023/07/01(土) 16:10:49.38
事件から現在まで両親に対しての詫びの言葉は一切ないよね。自分のせいで心中してるのに。愛人Aには遺書や謝りたいって言ってることから記事でA以外にも未成年？にも手を出してたことがバレて、遺産やるから許してって感じ？
837名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A/loJXiN0
>>834
別れたかったんじゃ？
真相は知らんが
嫌がらせ的な感じも受ける
別れたかったんじゃ？
真相は知らんが
嫌がらせ的な感じも受ける
836名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:afe/YZHo02023/07/01(土) 16:11:56.80
これってつまりただの？
840名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ziBmdhKy0
>>836
親564
親564
838名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7HCPgZZm0
>>836
無理心中
無理心中
839名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ipZ1npMF02023/07/01(土) 16:14:27.35
一連の流れを想像したらエグ過ぎて復帰なんか絶対無理だろうな
842名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:J11U15Te02023/07/01(土) 16:15:16.43
これでもファンは猿に曽根埼心中でもやってほしいの
843名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ziBmdhKy02023/07/01(土) 16:16:37.58
どんな判決でたら皆んなは納得？
891名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yHbyzCI60
>>843
そりゃ2人亡くなってんだから極刑やろ
そりゃ2人亡くなってんだから極刑やろ
844名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Fhw2jkKO02023/07/01(土) 16:16:47.21
週刊誌の報道が本当なら人格的にかなり問題があったことが伺える
自己中心的で暴力的で独裁的なサイコパスって印象しか受けないからこれが殺人だとしても「なるほど」って感想かな
一般常識で良心がどうとか普通はどうとか動機が分からないみたいに判断することがそもそも間違いなのかも
自己中心的で暴力的で独裁的なサイコパスって印象しか受けないからこれが殺人だとしても「なるほど」って感想かな
一般常識で良心がどうとか普通はどうとか動機が分からないみたいに判断することがそもそも間違いなのかも
852名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:i5DyedVA0
>>844
諦めろw
諦めろw
845名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:AKsmxfFO02023/07/01(土) 16:17:00.43
結局、市川てのは三流一門だったわけだな
ホモだろうが、子無しだろうが、病人だろうが、芸の肥やしにできた
勝手に親子で殺し合っちゃお仕舞いよ
846名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wUrDy1pr02023/07/01(土) 16:17:27.26
ギャングの処刑かよ
848名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Uyx5djvZ02023/07/01(土) 16:19:46.86
えっと、、、睡眠薬飲ませて寝たところにビニール被せてテープで留める
これって殺人では？？
849名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:p/QLFCZR02023/07/01(土) 16:19:50.16
死刑でよろ
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