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徳光和夫、6月14本塁打の大谷翔平に疑問… 「日本の野球でこれだけの成績を残せるだろうか」「米国の投手は大谷の研究を怠っている」

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150名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8j5rHbyW02023/07/01(土) 08:42:58.73
でもWBCで活躍してたのメジャー選手ばっかり
152名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0yzRVzCi02023/07/01(土) 08:43:04.77
日本って老害率が先進国でダントツな気がする
154名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dIxOdQ+M02023/07/01(土) 08:43:20.47
そりゃメジャーは対戦するチーム数が日本の3倍だから
一人の人間ばっか研究しても
他多数に打たれたら意味ないじゃん
155名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jtxqPn/k02023/07/01(土) 08:43:26.42
で、Bクラスの巨人は何か研究してんの?w
156名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NOZFPTn402023/07/01(土) 08:43:32.56
こいつがTVに出るとチャンネル変えるわ
157名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FQIyXZyt02023/07/01(土) 08:43:33.65
日本で無双してたダルや千賀でも普通に負ける
レベルわかるよな
162名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PEETVvW602023/07/01(土) 08:44:07.69
筒香「」
164名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zpu1mX1c02023/07/01(土) 08:44:22.10
大谷の体格の良さってメジャー選手の顔から全部パンパンな感じと違ってイチから鍛えてる感あるし
165名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VZfXqxS502023/07/01(土) 08:44:22.88
しかし日本野球は見なくなったなあ。
メジャーだと日本人のいるチームが味方、その相手が敵という図式がわかりやすい。
日本野球はぶっちゃけどっちが勝とうがどーでもいい。佐々木朗希くらいしか楽しみもない
208TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>165
韓国戦とかわざと負ける采配するからな
それを機に完全に見限ったわ
170名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wRVSBOUW0
>>165
球蹴りヲタと一緒で草
255名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6toOL1pl0
>>170
趣味が多様化して来たってことだわなあ
359名無しさん@恐縮ですID:znQZbEIm0
>>165
佐々木労基がMLB行ったら昔の伊良部くらいの成績かな
4シームとフォーク中心じゃ無双は無理だろう
736TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>359
くせ見抜かれてめった打ちとみてる
ストレートは速いだけで素直なボール
打ちごろよ
765名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lY4apg8B0
>>736
大谷も素直なスライダー投げて
結構打たれてるしね
適度に荒れ球入れてた前回の登板は
今年いちばん良かったね
371名無しさん@恐縮ですID:A0bFG2B50
>>359
トンキン猿には関係ない話やね
372名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EsefG1TO0
>>359
メジャーのローテ日程について行けるだろうか
166名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CUCti2vF02023/07/01(土) 08:44:29.11
現役プロ野球最強と呼ばれた鈴木誠也がスタメン落ちするほど通用してないw
190名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Q64bYYva0
>>166
鈴木誠也がスタメン落ちだもな
無双してた日本じゃ考えられなかった
354名無しさん@恐縮ですID:28IWSj1S0
>>190
チームのやり方や環境、立場によるわな
ヤクルトの村上だってあの立場があるから絶不調でも試合出てるけど普通はベンチだろう
167名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ka1TBV8K02023/07/01(土) 08:44:30.60
ハムにいたとき他が全然駄目で若い大谷だけがプロみたいな試合たくさんあったからなぁ
それチェックして言ってんのか?
168名無しさん@恐縮ですID:prKdeUWd02023/07/01(土) 08:44:51.69
MLBの全然試合見てなさそう、典型的な日本の老害だな。
169名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DEuu/zbc02023/07/01(土) 08:44:51.80
大谷がNPB復帰したらHR数は60本超えて余裕の三冠
野球ファンじゃない俺でもそれくらいわかるのに焼き豚徳光はそんなこともわからないのか
171名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OpyMQ56c02023/07/01(土) 08:44:59.67
徳光は試合見てないな
172名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dbMvLh1c02023/07/01(土) 08:45:00.20
本当に知らないんだけど
メジャーはそんなにスカウティングしてないの?
173名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FMwjVGt302023/07/01(土) 08:45:08.09
長いバットにしたのが馴染んできたからね、量産は止まらないのでは?
242TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>173
2.5伸ばしてダメだったから1.25短くしてる
それが功を奏したか
ピッチングが今一つだから今年は打撃に集中か
フルスイングするようになった
それ以前はハーフスイングもしくは8割くらいのスイングだったわ
265名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kodW4XXI0
>>242
それソースないだろ
273名無しさん@恐縮ですID:H/+JpP8g0
>>242
>ピッチングが今一つだから今年は打撃に集中か

・防御率:リーグ9位
・勝ち星:リーグ10位
・奪三振数:リーグ2位

今一つとは

428TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>273
スライダー投げまくって当たればHRのときな
174名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Yxmiae+T02023/07/01(土) 08:45:11.73
月間打数(13本)
2007松井113打数
2021大谷81打数

2023大谷102打数(14本)

当時は打線が強かったから打席に立つ回数も多かったヤンキース松井
2021年大谷より32打数(1.4倍)も多い
大谷打数換算なら松井は月間9本

177名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OpyMQ56c02023/07/01(土) 08:45:29.07
徳光は反日野郎だな
260TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>177
苗字で察するべき
日本人は使わない漢字ですよ
179名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rnMtsesh02023/07/01(土) 08:45:33.17
松井だって日本じゃ50本打ってたのにメジャーだとせいぜい30本だからなあ。
284TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>179
松井が初めてフリーバッティングした時
他の選手も興味津々で集まってきてた
で全然ホームランにならなかったよ
あの狭い球場で全部フェンス手前で失速
期待はずれ感凄かった
180名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PwE7qtfq02023/07/01(土) 08:45:35.52
球カス→ヤッカイ
老害→ヤッカイ
球カスx老害→ヤッグガイ
182名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rrtiucWU02023/07/01(土) 08:46:05.14
松井は松井ですごいよ
松井のMLB1年目成績287.16本ops.788がとどのつまりMLB行った野手の登竜門で越えるのムズいし
吉田も今年超えれるまだわからん

大谷が別次元なだけや

302TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>182
松井が打つ時ほとんどらんなーいたからな
チーム状態が良かっただけだぞ
ほとんどゴロ打ってゲッツー崩れの打点とかだった
318名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0ej14vem0
>>302
いや得点圏では松井は強かった
627TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>318
行った当初は見てたがよく考えたら途中から見無くなってたか
今でもNYYの同僚から尊敬されてるから活躍はしてたんだな
あのワールドシリーズのインパクトが強すぎてレギュラーシーズン記憶にない
206名無しさん@恐縮ですID:j+NEkeK80
>>182
一時は吉田の打率で盛り上がってたが、今は普通に
3割切ってるからなぁ
松井や吉田は一流選手だが大谷翔平はもはや別次元の選手って感じ
183名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xB4CzJJr02023/07/01(土) 08:46:07.58
そもそも研究って投手がやるもんじゃなくてチームの分析専門家がやるもんだろ
200名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wRVSBOUW0
>>183
そりゃデータ配られて投手の対策は各自でどうぞだろ
184名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HQ6oRkXT02023/07/01(土) 08:46:23.20
巨人の低迷を嘆いてんのかな
185名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5yriGeCc02023/07/01(土) 08:46:27.49
大谷にインコース攻めたら報復160ぶつけられるからな
219名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VZfXqxS50
>>185
大谷が次の日登板なのにデッドボール喰らって痛がりながら1塁に歩いてたら相手のファーストが大丈夫か?と声かけたんだけど、
大谷はそいつに 明日ね!(お前に代わりに仕返しでぶつける)と悪魔の笑顔で言ってたのはワラタ
235名無しさん@恐縮ですID:coBAHLkC0
>>219
クロタニさんすぎるwww
332TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>219
トゥモローって一言呟いたヤツな
大谷ならでわのジョーク
まだ大谷と対戦したことない選手は別にして
ああいうのは好かれるな
嫌われ者アストロズの選手も大谷が類に出ると笑顔で挨拶するしな
187名無しさん@恐縮ですID:A3RongGr02023/07/01(土) 08:46:33.79
「チョーさんサイコー」
188名無しさん@恐縮ですID:C7Pp94xP02023/07/01(土) 08:46:35.35
NPBなら四球が増えるだろうな
まともに振らせもらえないので打撃感覚が狂う
打率と出塁率とOPS↗ 本塁打と打点↘
189名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FEdry4WU02023/07/01(土) 08:46:48.66
徳光の理屈が正しいのなら
松井がメジャーで50本以上打たないとおかしいよな
松井は中距離打者に過ぎなかったし
215名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Yxmiae+T0
>>189
日本野球の研究から解放された松井さんが50本から16本に減りましたw
1回だけ31本打ったけど、基本20本台の中距離打者になったし
233名無しさん@恐縮ですID:R8MOORSO0
>>215
同時代に現役でも、アロザレーナよりも松井の方がすごいとはならないからなあ。
191名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0B2hLL5i02023/07/01(土) 08:47:01.10
虚カスは野球を見る目がないなぁw
192名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rkaOxfgW02023/07/01(土) 08:47:02.85
敬遠策ばかりで打てない って事言いたいのかな
211名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EdON6u4N0
>>192
そうだったりしてw
確か王の記録を抜かしそうだと昔やってたんだろ
193名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3TkW617b02023/07/01(土) 08:47:07.01
AKBの1匹や2匹いつでも妊娠させられますよ
194名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZCI3S0FL02023/07/01(土) 08:47:20.58
松井の記録は破られるし原はあんなだし坂本はケツアナでやじられるし巨人至上主義ジジイのプライドズタボロ笑
WBC優勝も結局パ・リーグの栗山やメジャー人脈のお陰だし良いとこ無しで偏屈爺い発狂して謎の上から目線www
195名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FXI4ZluQ02023/07/01(土) 08:47:20.97
MLB通算本塁打(アジア出身選手)
1位 秋信守  218本
2位 松井秀喜 175本
3位 大谷翔平 156本 ←NEW
223名無しさん@恐縮ですID:H/+JpP8g0
>>195
大谷翔平:MLB実働6年
松井秀喜:MLB実働10年
秋信守:MLB実働16年

もちろん、MLBでそれだけ長くやれていること自体すごいんだけれど

295名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZCI3S0FL0
>>223
なるほど年平均のHR数にすると大谷翔平が断トツだな
今年で松井の数字は抜けるし、秋?てのも来年で抜き去る
197名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EdON6u4N02023/07/01(土) 08:47:41.28
他の日本人選手は日本にいたとき以上に成績残せてないだろうw
最初から説が破綻しているw
198名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WlMnj7U802023/07/01(土) 08:47:45.93
大谷は確かに過大評価だな
MLBで無双した選手がNPBでは全然通用してないし
212名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZCI3S0FL0
>>198
バリーボンズや落合博満は大谷翔平を評価してるけどね
お前何様?笑笑
199名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6LabAKyE02023/07/01(土) 08:47:48.52
は?
ショボい日本の野球が何だって?
松井()とか大谷さんの足元にも及ばねーわwwwww
反社巨人キチは黙ってろよwwwww
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