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徳光和夫、6月14本塁打の大谷翔平に疑問… 「日本の野球でこれだけの成績を残せるだろうか」「米国の投手は大谷の研究を怠っている」

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350名無しさん@恐縮ですID:h6tUge2b02023/07/01(土) 09:04:55.46
日本で本塁打20本ちょいの大谷ですらメジャーでは40本打てる
阪神で40本打てないフィルダーがメジャー出戻りしたら51本44本で2年連続本塁打王
その程度たよメジャーのレベルは
どいつもこいつもメジャーを過大評価してんだよ
361名無しさん@恐縮ですID:A0bFG2B50
>>350
メジャーで7本のバレンティンが日本だと60本
410名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NI2/IC8h0
>>350
まぁ単純な上下じゃなくてスタイルによるとは思う
松井みたいなライナー系は減っても当たり前と思うし、でもミートはしてるから打率は維持される
逆にフライ系は打率が大幅に減るよね
351名無しさん@恐縮ですID:R8MOORSO02023/07/01(土) 09:05:03.92
そもそも理解が足りてないというか、ジャッジとの論争の時も、冗談なのか知らんが、ジャッジは毎日守備やってるから二刀流だとか意味不明な反論するやつ出てきたもんな。
712TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>351
正直大谷の体力なら先発+野手もできるだろう
でもそれやると1人分の出場機会失うからやらないだけかなと
その分DH枠は空くけどDHやれる人は限られるからな
例えばトラウトとかはDH嫌と言ってる
他にDH適任がいないだけかなと
383名無しさん@恐縮ですID:znQZbEIm0
>>351
大谷は外野守備についたら三刀流とかは日本のマスコミが言ってた
352名無しさん@恐縮ですID:loe5NM/q02023/07/01(土) 09:05:07.17
サッカー仏代表グリーズマン 大谷サイン入りカードをゲット
https://hayabusa9.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1688103871/
大喜びしている動画をアップ

サッカーファン
「グリーズマン、大谷ファンなんかい」
「グリーズマンが大谷を認知しているの嬉しい」
「グリーズマンのインスタにいきなり大谷出てきてびっくり」
「グリーズマンが日本人で喜ぶのすごいな。大谷翔平そんなすごいんだ」
「バスケのユニ着て野球選手のサインを見て泣いて喜ぶサッカーのグリーズマンw」

グリーズマンはアメリカンスポーツが大好きで
先日もMLBの試合観戦に訪れていた。
またNBAファンでも知られている。

353名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dVhpmO+E02023/07/01(土) 09:05:14.90
メジャーは力勝負のストレートだけでおおざっぱだから
とよくいっていた70代以上のNPBのOBじいさんと同じで的はずれだな
355名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CAH0qUiQ02023/07/01(土) 09:05:19.17
日本だと全打席敬遠だろ
356名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nNitf36602023/07/01(土) 09:05:20.13
松井はなんであんなに打てなかったんだろ
日本の成績考えたらもう少し打ててもおかしくはなかったよな
376名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LNSChlyb0
>>356
回りにもっと凄い選手がゴロゴロいたら、自分は人並みでいいやとなるのではなかろうか
381名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9dW0mqP60
>>356
ドームラン
ラビット
で検索
403名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nNitf3660
>>381
松井のホームランって微妙なの少ないから
そんな影響受けてるとは思わないけどなあ
357名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7SXg8DaF02023/07/01(土) 09:05:27.69
アメリカじゃ十何連戦とかで移動も大変、無茶苦茶な試合スケジュール
それに毎試合出て、投手もやる、こんなの大谷しか出来ない。
徳光はボケた事言うな。
358名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YwU/Ex+702023/07/01(土) 09:05:30.99
普通なら外野フライなのにホームランにする選手だから仕方ない
360名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZKJT3hDH02023/07/01(土) 09:05:34.68
日本は秋山の研究怠りすぎだろ
362名無しさん@恐縮ですID:O8AJzlP/02023/07/01(土) 09:05:50.82
バカなの?
データみればアジアの片隅の野球とアメリカのベースボールを比べるのは愚か❗
日本の野球をやってたホームラン王の筒香はアメリカのマイナーリーグにいるよ
日本の野球やってたホームラン王の松井秀喜は最高でホームラン打った年で30本代だ
比べるのは愚か
363名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FEdry4WU02023/07/01(土) 09:05:52.02
https://youtu.be/Ym2buXvZw-s

日米野球の時の松井とボンズのホームラン競争見てる
松井が何でメジャーでホームランバッターになれなかったのか分かる

ただ、松井の場合は会心の当たりならメジャーのホームランバッターと比べても遜色ない飛距離

385名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nNitf3660
>>363
ポンスは薬だからなあ
大谷は薬使ってないとしたらすげえんだけど他の選手も薬使わなくなったのかなあ
784TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>385
徳光贔屓の清原もお薬だったな
ニンニク注射とかで体臭臭かったらしいが
よく効いたらしい
でもなんのことは無い覚せい剤が混ぜられてただけだった
422名無しさん@恐縮ですID:znQZbEIm0
>>385
ボンズはステロイド使う前の方がホームラン40本以上打てるイチローって感じのとんでもない選手だった
366名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VK5x++TE02023/07/01(土) 09:05:57.03
アメリカってレベル低いんだな
徳さんよく言ってくれた
485名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Wm1WIo+M0
>>366
松井はヤンキースで内心は無理無理無理!と思ってたみたいだけど?
508名無しさん@恐縮ですID:c6cO27QW0
>>485
松井は一般人レベルに謙遜するからな~スポーツ選手らしくない
プロ野球と同じで最初はアジャストに苦労してたが二年目に爆発してたんだよ、そこでの骨折が何より痛かったね
あれ以降一気に打球が上がらなくなった
382名無しさん@恐縮ですID:A0bFG2B50
>>366
鈴木誠也や筒香は全く通用してないぞ
394名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZKJT3hDH0
>>382
その2人を同等にするな
鈴木は普通に活躍している
464名無しさん@恐縮ですID:znQZbEIm0
>>394
ホントにフツー程度なんだよな向こうでは
ここ20年くらいで日本最高の右打者だったのに
441名無しさん@恐縮ですID:k3bDNVmK0
>>394
少なくともカブスは鈴木誠也を全く必要としてないw
402名無しさん@恐縮ですID:A0bFG2B50
>>394
全くしてないよ笑
791TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>394
ついにスタメン落ちだとよ
368名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VZfXqxS502023/07/01(土) 09:06:03.70
WBCの壮行試合で変態ホームラン大谷が打ってたように、手がつけられないくらい打つかもしれねえからな。
打たれるから逃げるというのはメジャーもそうだけどw
369名無しさん@恐縮ですID:loe5NM/q02023/07/01(土) 09:06:08.34
バリー・ボンズが語る大谷 「この先現れない選手」
https://hayabusa9.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1633326697/
本当に信じられない。びっくりするような活躍を見せている。

あなたを彷彿とさせるとの声も。
私と似ているかどうかは分からないが、彼が偉大であることは確か。
打って、投げて、走力もある。他に類を見ない存在と言えるだろう。
投手でも打者でもエリート級。彼のような選手はこの先、現れないのではないか。

あなたも驚くような活躍なのか。
レギュラーの野手であれば、毎日試合に出ながらリズムをつくることができる。
彼の場合はそこに投手としての作業が加わる。指名打者で出る日も試合前にブルペンで投球練習をすることになる。
そして、先発した日には100球近く投げる。本当に信じ難いことをやっていると思う。

エンゼルスはけが人が多く、トラウトらが不在だった。
トラウトが大谷の後を打っていたら、勝負を避けられることはないだろうし、
今ごろ本塁打を60本打っていたかもしれない。

MVPに値するか。
もし受賞を逃したとしても、今年成し遂げたことに満足していいと思うし、
これから何度もチャンスは巡ってくるはずだ。

370名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hoJssyhn02023/07/01(土) 09:06:12.56
大谷とイチローが凄すぎただけで
ほとんどの日本の選手は通用してないな
徳光は巨人の選手以外認めたくないんだろう。
373名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dymW1+Wp02023/07/01(土) 09:06:33.15
ハリーが言うならともかく素人じゃな
374名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YS7p6m5T02023/07/01(土) 09:06:35.36
日本の投手は米国の投手より劣るので大谷が日本でプレーしていたら毎年三冠王取るよ。
375名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sanVrNDl02023/07/01(土) 09:06:35.73
電波利権で勝ち組扱いだったジジイは
もうこれからは黙っておこうか…
395名無しさん@恐縮ですID:A0bFG2B50
>>375
日テレなんて反日工作しかしてないゴミテレビ局だろ
377名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qlYzWvkl02023/07/01(土) 09:06:40.85
大谷は次元が違いすぎて参考にならん、信じられない選手…この落合の言葉が全てだろ

もはや奇跡の選手よな

378TURIID:cSbW8b1O02023/07/01(土) 09:06:54.67
要は日本には大谷に面と向かって勝負できる投手はいないと言いたいだけだな
みっともない
379名無しさん@恐縮ですID:U76kXXMW02023/07/01(土) 09:07:03.00
松井なんて関係ないわ
自分が好きなプロ野球がたいしたもんだって思いたいだけやろ
最後にしっかり自分でゲロしてる
380名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZKJT3hDH02023/07/01(土) 09:07:06.60
晩年は日本に戻ってバレンティンの記録抜いて欲しい気はする
384名無しさん@恐縮ですID:loe5NM/q02023/07/01(土) 09:07:36.73
WBC 韓国 「大谷翔平は本当に人間なのか?」
https://www.recordchina.co.jp/b911206-s25-c50-d0052.html
韓国ネット
「心からうらやましすぎる」
「これはもう認めるしかない」
「本当に神のようなシナリオだよ」
「大谷翔平は本当に人間なのか?」
「大谷翔平は本当に漫画から出てきた人だ」
「日本の優勝に韓国のネットユーザーも感服している」
「大谷がサヨナラ三振で試合を締めくくり、日本が優勝するという神シナリオだった」
「大谷翔平だけでなく、日本人はすごい。われわれの国のコミュニティー野球とは違う」
https://www.recordchina.co.jp/b911206-s25-c50-d0052.html
386名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LgM19IND02023/07/01(土) 09:07:54.39
昔の後楽園は両翼82mで
外野に向かって2m下り勾配が付いていたそうだ
それがあっての王のホームラン記録w
今でも東京ドームは巨人の攻撃のときは
外野方向に風向きが変わるそうだ
こうゆうのが巨人の野球なんだよ
400名無しさん@恐縮ですID:j3q3XMgS0
>>386
ボールそのものの飛びも違うって
言われてるよなw
389名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zCCzFRUb02023/07/01(土) 09:08:07.72
徳光さんそこやないねん、マスコミの異常な大谷推しを批判して欲しいねん。
391名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EsefG1TO02023/07/01(土) 09:08:23.17
「大谷は漫画」ってよく言うけど
あんなの漫画で書いたらボツだよな
392名無しさん@恐縮ですID:u/9scgh802023/07/01(土) 09:08:28.21
日本じゃ月間20本行かれるだろ
396名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PnYPMbj002023/07/01(土) 09:08:42.77
日本人の足を引っ張る在日韓国人老害
398名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eZsflI3Y02023/07/01(土) 09:08:56.17
まあ、wbc &その他の世界大会観ても言わずもがなだが、変化球主体の日本投手の方が抑えるのは確かだろうね👌
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