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徳光和夫、6月14本塁打の大谷翔平に疑問… 「日本の野球でこれだけの成績を残せるだろうか」「米国の投手は大谷の研究を怠っている」

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450名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Mo6Iw6zL02023/07/01(土) 09:13:52.11
日本の野球なら申告敬遠ばかりされるだろうしねえ…
451名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0/v4JIJK02023/07/01(土) 09:13:57.00
日本プロ野球は世界に誇る観光資源
https://ameblo.jp/bonotsu-mother/entry-12373391290.html
日本プロ野球が「外国人旅行者が行くべき世界のスポーツ観戦12選」に選ばれる
https://npb-mlb.net/2018/08/22/post-5523/

・野球場って外国人多いよな
・日本プロ野球観戦はガチで外国人に人気あるらしい
・松井が唯一アメリカの球場にも勝るって言うてたな甲子園
・集客数は世界2位やからな、そらどんなもんか見に来るやろ
・日本の鳴り物応援も外国人にはエキゾチックな感じで人気らしい
・関西の外国人向けのツアーで人気高いのが甲子園てテレビで言ってたわ
https://ameblo.jp/bonotsu-mother/entry-12373391290.html

452名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qlYzWvkl02023/07/01(土) 09:14:09.10
米国のデータ野球はスゲ~からな…
ダルはアッチのやり方を参考にして進化したいうてたな

ホント徳光は老害発言が過ぎるw

454名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sanVrNDl02023/07/01(土) 09:14:12.44
ボンズは400-400だっけ?
あれやった時に記者が
4~5人しか来なくて幻滅したそうだ
そこからお薬を使って(以下略

当時はサミーソーサ、マグワイアで熱狂してた

455名無しさん@恐縮ですID:U76kXXMW02023/07/01(土) 09:14:16.75
お前らは
大谷すごい日本人すごいでシコれるが
この人は
プロ野球すごいでもシコりたいのよ
456TURIID:cSbW8b1O02023/07/01(土) 09:14:17.57
まあ徳光はなんで大好きな松井が二度とnpbに関わらないと決意したか考えろよ
そういうとこだよ
457名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sTTu8mY902023/07/01(土) 09:14:22.97
そもそも日本のプロ野球よりメジャーリーグの方が上って考えが間違い。上なのは破格の契約条件と活躍した時の年俸だけだろ?だから自信ある奴らはみんな挑戦するじゃないの?
459名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1YPWqVoL02023/07/01(土) 09:14:30.64
日本人打者が最初だけ活躍して、すぐアナリストが対策を研究して、活躍できなくなるのってよくあるよね。
大谷のスイーパーに対してもね
そこからまた大谷が研究して配球を変えてっていうのを繰り返すわけだ
460名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FlE2+VkR02023/07/01(土) 09:14:49.09
逃げる日本野球より、正面から勝負して来るアメリカ野球の方が面白いwww
462名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2+GeedUj02023/07/01(土) 09:14:52.33
大谷の凄いところは対策されたら攻略する能力の高さよ
503名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fv4IduAX0
>>462
それなんだよな
常に変化していかないと前年とは同じ成績は残せないと思ってる
変わらないために変わる
徳光はMLBやアメスポの分析力を何も分かってない
463名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FlE2+VkR02023/07/01(土) 09:14:56.68
逃げる日本野球より、正面から勝負して来るアメリカ野球の方が面白いwww
522名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Drsloj3I0
>>463
これ。
日本のってスポーツ感が無いよね。
実力主義ってより演出感。
466名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qDb1OSwH02023/07/01(土) 09:15:17.50
世界一がここにあるNPB
467名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YS7p6m5T02023/07/01(土) 09:15:23.63
米国ベースボールは100年以上の歴史があり、日本が考えている以上にレベルが高い。
469名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oeuGyGvH02023/07/01(土) 09:15:32.26
ゴジラ松井の記録や破られたから頭にきてんだろ、月間14本
471名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QY5Rvy7W02023/07/01(土) 09:15:43.74
まぁでもメジャーの方がいろいろ派手で見ちゃう
472名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Wm1WIo+M02023/07/01(土) 09:15:56.70
徳光みたいな大して賢くもなく失言の多いちんちくりんでも活躍できるのが日本
473名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2+GeedUj02023/07/01(土) 09:16:03.26
毎年レベルアップできないとメジャーでは生き残れないよ
474名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ILtokrcD02023/07/01(土) 09:16:07.47
徳さんは大谷凄いって諸手を挙げて褒めてるだろ
それが大前提の上で、の話だよ

記事にすら書いてるのに脳内切り取りして批判してる奴がいるんだからほんとにもう

477名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IWQ5xCbV02023/07/01(土) 09:16:24.60
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478名無しさん@恐縮ですID:49GKehJx02023/07/01(土) 09:16:32.45
徳光って態度悪すぎだろ
バスの旅番組とか横暴で酷かったわ
ボケてんのか?
511名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rhY9D49x0
>>478
いつも最後疲れて寝てるよなw
479名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fv4IduAX02023/07/01(土) 09:16:35.20
松井は東京ドームにラビットでの本数だろ
古田が日米野球で球変えたら松井でさえフェンス前で失速してたとバラしてたじゃんw
481名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8nOPonE902023/07/01(土) 09:16:41.14
上原と対談させてみたい
482名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6OTjDeDv02023/07/01(土) 09:16:44.24
秋山筒香はともかく、鈴木が全く通用してないのはショックでかいよな
あと吉田はNPB最後の砦
499名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dPIQ302l0
>>482
吉田はやっぱ守備がなあ
打撃だけだから調子悪ければ見切り早い
483名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EsefG1TO02023/07/01(土) 09:16:53.56
あの落合までデレっちゃうぐらいだからな

大谷MVPの記念グッズまで買ってるとは思わなかったw

484名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZCI3S0FL02023/07/01(土) 09:16:55.52
巨人全盛期に読売に媚び売って美味しい思いした爺い
486名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PVMc4WYv02023/07/01(土) 09:17:21.67
大谷にはメジャー行く前にセリーグでやってほしかったな
487名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2+GeedUj02023/07/01(土) 09:17:22.68
はっきり言って日本にいるときの大谷は並の選手
今はすべてにおいて別人
517名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wA03GGXc0
>>487
トミージョン手術てやっぱり能力上がるのかね?
526名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OV+GES5G0
>>517
上がるわけない
488名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xZ3bGpM802023/07/01(土) 09:17:32.81
前は打つだけの吉田も扱い同格だったのにもう大谷しかテレビで流れない
489名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FWjyUT1G02023/07/01(土) 09:17:33.56
大谷翔平見て
MLBはチョロいと思ってるなら
そいつは知能が足りない

大谷翔平は異次元の能力者だから
日本人とかアメリカ中米人とかそんなレベルじゃない

野球の神だから
彼はアンタッチャブル

543名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hX+eEaaj0
>>489
神になるために
童貞守ってひたすら野球だけを信奉してるからな

ユニコーン大谷は神聖な天界からの野球の使者

491🤡@意味不明な力を得し者ID:rcVKwNh/02023/07/01(土) 09:17:51.93
yes of theその通りでオオタニサンの場合は的確&見事な内容(完成だと思うが本人はまだ高みを目指してる模様)だがイチローもその辺は同じ内容(イカ串`)y-°°°

※THE soんで別ジャンルだと捕手としての洞察力は古田敦也のみ。(yes鼻ホジちゆう)

492名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UurFe+d502023/07/01(土) 09:18:09.26
荒唐無稽だなw

あきらかに今の大谷がNPBでプレーしたら少なくとも1.5倍の成績は残すだろうねw

493名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mIjnHb1K02023/07/01(土) 09:18:12.66
つまり相手にされてないってこと?
494名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Pc3HED3N02023/07/01(土) 09:18:20.61
単純に大谷が23歳で渡米したからだろ
イチローや松井や松坂よりも若い
さらに、大谷は甲子園にいかなかったから、肩も温存だし、
ひじは、手術で復活
体は消耗品だから
574名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Pc3HED3N0
>>494
サッカーはそうなんだね
申し訳ない
大谷は、甲子園は出場していたようだ
一回戦敗退だけど
597名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Pc3HED3N0
>>574は
>>534へ
534名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ktgfbZ6h0
>>494
サッカー選手が若いうちにすぐに欧州行こうとするのもそれなんだよな
年食ってからレベル高いとこ行っても大して成長できない
597名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Pc3HED3N0
>>574は
>>534へ
495名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hHM9a1Vw02023/07/01(土) 09:18:21.33
日本なら70本は余裕だろうなぁ
497名無しさん@恐縮ですID:x0LE4rJ502023/07/01(土) 09:18:31.19
東京ドームなら擦っても普通にスタンドイン
70本は打つだろうな
498名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YS7p6m5T02023/07/01(土) 09:18:31.42
大谷以上のバッターは米国ベースボールにいっぱいいるし、大谷以上の投手も米国ベースボールにいっぱいいる。
でも大谷の二刀流以上の選手は誰もいない。
513名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lNCMDK0x0
>>498
大谷以上の打者は極わずかしかおらんよ
515名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZCI3S0FL0
>>498
大谷以上のバッターは何やってんだ?笑笑
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