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徳光和夫、6月14本塁打の大谷翔平に疑問… 「日本の野球でこれだけの成績を残せるだろうか」「米国の投手は大谷の研究を怠っている」

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250名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6OTjDeDv02023/07/01(土) 08:54:10.39
鈴木誠也はメジャーのピッチャー特有の速球に適応まだできないし、
吉田は1年目のイチロー以上の活躍を期待してたファン、
イチローを超えるへ結果を残すと予想してた多くの評論家を
裏切る現状なので、NPBトップクラスでも日本人野手は
基本的に成績落とすよな

あらゆる意味で大谷だけが特別

252名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wCokVQfm02023/07/01(土) 08:54:19.04
これは正論
日本では結果残せてないからね
256名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UJnLpEqQ0
>>252
結果残したからメジャー行けたんだろw
266名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yPwjOC3K0
>>252
高卒で投打で大谷より結果出した選手がいるのか?
253ID:ICJniYBX02023/07/01(土) 08:54:42.32
野球をデータを元に研究して実践してるのはメジャーの方じゃないの?
打順も日本は未だに昭和からの四番に強打者みたいな事を何の理屈も無しにやってるし。
254名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+mzIYVLs02023/07/01(土) 08:54:53.96
耄碌ジジイ
258名無しさん@恐縮ですID:InQfo+6m02023/07/01(土) 08:55:05.80
おもしろいよな。この徳光とかいうマヌケが見せているクソみたいにしょうもないビデオを見てくれ。こいつは野球のことをこれっぽちも理解していないし、何がメジャーのレベルで成功するのに必要なのかもわかってない年寄りだ。世間はこんなもんを聞く必要はない。こいつは目を覚ましてからテキトーに考えたくだらない意見を話しているだけだ。
262名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tiVUzUp902023/07/01(土) 08:55:14.73
大谷翔平の登場で松井秀喜の影が一気に薄くなったからな
巨人ファンとしては嫉妬の対象になるだろうね
281名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ko0stO/K0
>>262
大谷の登場で影の薄くなってない歴代選手はいないよ

イチローもダルも黒田もみんな過去の人

278名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yPwjOC3K0
>>262
村上イチローより下の松井は最初から空気だろ
309名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XoutL/qv0
>>278
村上の今の成績知ってる?
奴は松井以下だよ
263名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hD5R+BeD02023/07/01(土) 08:55:22.27
他の打者が通用していない
体の大きさと締まりから一目瞭然
264名無しさん@恐縮ですID:V3HZNfoy02023/07/01(土) 08:55:23.40
30年くらい前まではメジャーリーガー自体が日本人じゃ絶対に超えられないと思い込んでたからな
もうメジャーリーガーも同じ人間
268名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UtG+PpDM02023/07/01(土) 08:56:02.80
大谷→大田にホームラン打たれたP
佐々木ロウキ→ポランコにホームラン打たれたP
このイメージ
269名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1O8rV1AE02023/07/01(土) 08:56:03.63
大谷ファンでは ないて わかった
270名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EvpwCJ6C02023/07/01(土) 08:56:04.84
メジャーで故障者続出の理由

なぜこんなに故障者が続出しているかといえば、その大きな理由のひとつに、
数字に頼りすぎているという部分があります。投手であれば初速と終速の差や
ボールの回転数、打者であればスイングスピードや打球の初速など、
今やどんな数字も計測して、分析していくのがメジャーの野球です。

トレーニングが、その数字を向上させるためになってしまっている。
そうなると、その数字を意識した負荷の高いトレーニングが求められるのは当然であって、
その負荷の高さこそが筋肉や関節の柔軟性を奪っているのです。

イチローもアメリカの野球はデータ分析偏重で面白くなくなったと言ってたな

496TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>270
イチローの最後の言葉は当たってるかもな
イチローはなんだかんだ言われるけど
あのころの試合は毎日楽しく見てたわ
松井もしかり
今は大谷の投球とホームラン以外はなんだかなって思う
鈴木や吉田の試合もちらっと見たが面白くない
512名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xZ3bGpM80
>>496
それはその頃があなたの青春時代だったからだよ
お疲れ様
547名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TNQTWVVX0
>>496
それはよくある昔は良かったバナシでは?
単にそのころの自分が若くて感受性が豊かだっただけと言う
271名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zs9FMNID02023/07/01(土) 08:56:16.65
日本の方がレベル高いんなら元メジャーとかマイナーの選手が日本にわざわざ来ないだろ
286名無しさん@恐縮ですID:j3q3XMgS0
>>271
カネ

同じ成績でも日本の何倍も出る

272名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EdON6u4N02023/07/01(土) 08:56:18.77
アメリカは移動距離が長くタフな世界らしいから日本よりコンディション整えるのが大変だろう
そう簡単じゃないさ
大谷とかは特別なのさ
274名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jf/jDm1702023/07/01(土) 08:56:23.47
まあ日本だったらどこまでいくのかは純粋に興味があるな
日本の方がレベル低いんだからHR数60本打てるのかっていったらちょっと無理な気もするし
でも今の大谷なら打てそうな気もする
290名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EdON6u4N0
>>274
日本にいた頃と身体つきが全く違うからなあ
303名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yPwjOC3K0
>>290
高卒でピッチャーまでやってたのに無理言うなよ
275名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qlYzWvkl02023/07/01(土) 08:56:27.32
ホント徳光は野球全く知らんよな…w
読売が好きなだけでホントワロスやわ
276名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UtsJSpdg02023/07/01(土) 08:56:27.36
徳光の言う通りなんだよ
アメリカのMLBは大谷対策なんかしてなくて、寧ろ逆に各球団の投手陣は大谷に棒球投げてわざと打たせているんだよね
これは客も入らず人気低迷してるMLBが話題作りで大谷に打たせるよう画策してるとしか思えないんだよね
大谷みたいに軸がぶれて打率を残せない打者が、こんなにコンスタントにホームラン打つのがおかしいんだよ
296名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rrtiucWU0
>>276
エアプすぎやろ
エンゼルス相手の投手はトラウトと大谷のときだけ明らかに慎重に投げてる
539TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>276
大谷対策してないとかないない
内外角高めや外角低めとか苦手だったが
克服しつつあるだけ
今投げるとこがないってのが正解
打ち損じか球種読み間違ってくれるの待ち
285名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yPwjOC3K0
>>276
それなら誠也が打てない理由はなんだよ
397名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1HPxBRZr0
>>276
君もだが、29本目打った時なんかの試合内容とか
全く理解していないだろ
かなり攻められているし、申告敬遠もあった
これは大谷さまの超絶対応能力の結果だからね
米国はマサチューセッツ工科大なんかを始め
打者、投手も含めて徹底的に動きを解析している
実際には日本以上に研究が進んでいるんだよね
277名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XoutL/qv02023/07/01(土) 08:56:39.23
村豚は対策されて今年は30本も危ういもんな
280名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oIUoNWKQ02023/07/01(土) 08:56:54.02
逆に言えばメジャーで鳴かず飛ばずだったバレンチンやマートンが
日本記録残せるレベルなんだけどもw
283名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EsefG1TO02023/07/01(土) 08:57:06.10
野球評論家ですらみんな大谷認めてるのにな

上原以外は

567TURIID:cSbW8b1O0
>>283
上原って今なら全盛期でも通用しないだろ
AIで球種バレするからバッティングピッチャーのようにボゴボコ打ち放題になるよ
291名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7SXg8DaF02023/07/01(土) 08:58:14.44
日本でホームラン打ちまくった、鈴木誠、筒香がメジャーで通用してないのはなぜだ
292名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8ZFlTkVi02023/07/01(土) 08:58:18.12
ボケてきた
293名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WVWeYeIk02023/07/01(土) 08:58:21.91
外野フライなんて全部スタンド入りだろ
297名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RbanMhkZ02023/07/01(土) 08:58:37.97
徳光さん、御存知無いようだからお伝えしますが、オオタニさ~んとショウヘイは同一人物
投手もしているんですよ
298名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LNSChlyb02023/07/01(土) 08:58:41.14
しかし徳光は昔から外国人に対する敬意みたいなものがまるでないんだな
世代的なことも関係してるんだと思うけど
299名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EvpwCJ6C02023/07/01(土) 08:58:50.51
大谷翔平をカート・シリング氏が絶賛
https://www.recordchina.co.jp/b916364-s25-c50-d0052.html
「この男より価値がある選手は野球界にいない」

殿堂入りも果たしているカート・シリング氏が大谷を絶賛した
大谷は野球の神様ベーブ・ルースやマイク・トラウトをとっくに超えている。
こんな出来事は見たことがないし、近いものを見たこともない。

人々はベーブ・ルースこそが最も偉大だと言いたいだろうが、
彼はヤンキースの開幕戦で先発投手兼クリーンアップ打者として出場してはいない。
大谷よりも価値がある選手は野球界にいない

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