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徳光和夫、6月14本塁打の大谷翔平に疑問… 「日本の野球でこれだけの成績を残せるだろうか」「米国の投手は大谷の研究を怠っている」

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401名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FXI4ZluQ02023/07/01(土) 09:09:03.20
イチローはNPBでは通算OPSが.943の強打者
メジャーでは通算OPSが.757で内野安打マシーンにうまく転身
404名無しさん@恐縮ですID:aDWtfZyJ02023/07/01(土) 09:09:32.15
メジャーの選手は元から研究なんかしないだろ
力任せに豪速球投げて力任せにバット振り回すだけだから
418名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rrtiucWU0
>>404
未だにこんなこと言ってるエアプおるのか
MLBの方がデータ野球だから
442名無しさん@恐縮ですID:aDWtfZyJ0
>>418
それは監督やコーチだけ
選手はバカだかな力任せ
もちろん僅かな例外はいるかもな
405名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LgM19IND02023/07/01(土) 09:09:41.53
それより巨人の奥歯に挟まった原監督をなんとかしろよ徳光!
406名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rhY9D49x02023/07/01(土) 09:09:42.95
でもこれ分からなくもない
もちろんメジャーのほうがレベル高いのは絶対そうだけど
大谷はメジャーリーグが合ってたんだろうな
413名無しさん@恐縮ですID:A0bFG2B50
>>406
鈴木誠也筒香秋山が全く通用してないからあり得ないわ
476名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rhY9D49x0
>>413
でも上原とか斎藤隆がメジャー行かずあのまま日本にいたらあんな活躍出来てたかって考えない?
その打者版が大谷なんだろ
メジャーに会う合わないはあると思う
504名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TNQTWVVX0
>>476
投手は割りと通用してる
でも上原も中継ぎと抑えだし
日本なら200勝してるだろう
468名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oBjqMUOD0
>>413
POWERの世界だから通用しなかっただけ
特に筒香はな
407名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xDPJo4Y802023/07/01(土) 09:09:48.82
大谷が活躍すると困ることでもあるんか?
408名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EsefG1TO02023/07/01(土) 09:10:01.65
鈴木誠也ずっと試合出てないな
ケガでもしたのかな
409名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YS7p6m5T02023/07/01(土) 09:10:03.56
大魔神や清原も言っていたけど大谷は米国ベースボールでは通用しない。
これは米国ベースボールのレベルを知っている人なら当然の認識なんだけど、大谷は成功してしまったので皆んな黙ってしまった。
411名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dPIQ302l02023/07/01(土) 09:10:12.83
むしろアメリカはデータが無茶苦茶凄い
412🤡@意味不明な力を得し者ID:rcVKwNh/02023/07/01(土) 09:10:24.61
yes of the見損なったよ徳光氏(-ω-`)ジュル。

※THE so一般の氷河期世代は元々視る眼もnothingだが徳光がこれを言うとはその程度のlevelって事だな。(yesアメリカに行ったオオタニサン以外の打者も報われない&日本でも同じような結果を出すオオタニサン=WBCで悟った=オオタニサンには過信が存在しないので日本でも変わらない=田中将大とちなうとこ=まあ田中将大も怪我が原因だろうが。。。)

414名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qlYzWvkl02023/07/01(土) 09:10:39.86
アメリカはクッソスキルに滅茶苦茶パワーの大谷を、何とかパワーでねじ伏せたいという思いあるからガンガン勝負に行くからなw

抑えたら末代までの話のネタになるしな
大谷はそれほどの伝説的な選手だからな

417名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1YPWqVoL02023/07/01(土) 09:11:03.65
徳光さんは長嶋茂雄が躍動した日本の野球を愛しているし、単に知識がないだけで責める気にはならないが、メジャーリーグのが専門の解説するアナリストがいてよほど緻密にデータをとって分析はするよ。
だからこそコンピューターが生まれた国なわけだし。技術指導も含めて日本の方が感覚的なことを重視する印象があるね。
419名無しさん@恐縮ですID:H/+JpP8g02023/07/01(土) 09:11:11.88
松井は「自分はメジャーじゃ中距離砲」って自分で自分を決めつけずに
スラッガーとして貫き通したらどうなっていたんだろうとは思う
432名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nNitf3660
>>419
薬全盛だからどう頑張っても見劣りはしたろうな
453名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YPIFPQeb0
>>419
それもあるし、怪我がどうしても惜しかったね
原もそうだが押し込み側の手首をやっちゃうとホームラン性のフライが打てなくなるんだと
423名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sanVrNDl02023/07/01(土) 09:11:31.14
ロウキ佐々木は身体がまだ細い
あれでは、帯同必須のメジャーの移動に耐えられない

圧倒的なスタミナ不足、
横をもう少し付けないと
現時点ではシュンペーターの方が
身体はまだ出来上がっている、

言うまでもなく投げる球は超一級品で、
球速とかポテンシャルは投谷を上回るかも、
ただ、現時点だとデグロームみたいに、
故障ばかりの野球人生になる、

まあゆっくり、身体作っとけばよい
25歳までまだ時間はある

424名無しさん@恐縮ですID:trVRGAUC02023/07/01(土) 09:11:34.18
徳光和夫は中学までライオンズファン
425名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nNitf36602023/07/01(土) 09:11:40.37
松井がメジャー行ったの今の大谷ぐらいだからこっから大谷が衰え目立ってきたらやっぱりピーク過ぎた後に行ったからが理由になるのかな
475名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dPIQ302l0
>>425
松井の頃はツーシーム主体で平均球速日本とあまり変わらなかったからまだ年齢上がってもなんとかなったが
今は平均球速が上がりまくり年齢の衰えが早い
今は35以上で活躍してる野手はゴールドシュミットとjdマルティネスくらいやない?
429名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bEQ602kE02023/07/01(土) 09:11:51.50
絶滅危惧種イボータの鑑
430名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YS7p6m5T02023/07/01(土) 09:12:03.57
メジャーリーグで大谷がブルペンで投球を始めると、観客が大谷を見ようと殺到するんだけど、これが大谷の凄さを物語っている。
431名無しさん@恐縮ですID:43yKfDU402023/07/01(土) 09:12:06.71
非力だからしょうがない部分はあるけど日本のピッチャーは変化球に頼りすぎだと思う
ストレートとカーブというシンプルで通用してたのは桑田くらいか
465名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4kyRfKqK0
>>431
江川いるだろうが 桑田はフォーク、スライダーも投げてたけど江川はマジでこれだけ
439名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xwGnYwx50
>>431
江川
434名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2+GeedUj02023/07/01(土) 09:12:41.02
米国の最先端データベースボールをディスる
徳光さん嫌いじゃないよw
435名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dPIQ302l02023/07/01(土) 09:12:42.01
メジャーは長期活躍難しい
データ野球で3年持たないパターン多い
436名無しさん@恐縮ですID:A0bFG2B502023/07/01(土) 09:12:44.11
徳光は反日工作員
437名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/i2ubjN402023/07/01(土) 09:12:46.63
日本だったら打ててないかもね。と言うのも、日本人はセコいでしょ。外国人が王貞治の記録を抜きそうになったら敬遠したり。
アメリカ人はそんなことしないから。ベーブルースを超えたと喜んでる。
438名無しさん@恐縮ですID:r1Q726S402023/07/01(土) 09:12:57.22
女房認知症なんだろ
ちゃんと看病しろ
440名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0KzmS3C402023/07/01(土) 09:13:15.49
あーアンタッチャブルに触れちゃったね徳さん…
443名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RbanMhkZ02023/07/01(土) 09:13:25.82
日本の野球でか、落ちる点で言うとモチベーションくらいだろ
ホームランは80本、打率0.350超え、打点は200点以上かな
バースは三冠王を獲っているけど、マイナーの選手。壁際で打球が失速して
メジャーに定着できなかった選手
444名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YS7p6m5T02023/07/01(土) 09:13:33.02
日本野球の投手は米国ベースボールで通用しない。
それほどレベルが違うんだよ。
445名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8NnbyHCO02023/07/01(土) 09:13:34.04
むちゃくちゃ簡単に言うと徳光はアホ
なんだけど、日本の投手が質がいいのはあると思う
446名無しさん@恐縮ですID:c2ZsMPs102023/07/01(土) 09:13:40.35
もはや神をも超えた存在だし
448名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IWQ5xCbV02023/07/01(土) 09:13:50.52
あの手足の長さは完全メジャー向きだったんだろな
もちろん日本でも40本打つのは間違いないが50本は厳しいかも
449名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EsefG1TO02023/07/01(土) 09:13:51.04
無理と分かったらスパッと諦めて帰ってきて活躍し出した秋山や有原が正解だな
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