150名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:vIfHp5lT02023/06/27(火) 13:00:19.77
これで岡崎だけに責めを負わすのは無理じゃね？
151名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DdDw+5uE02023/06/27(火) 13:04:41.96
こんな奴に天下獲れるんかと
153名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:94TmP7Pd0
>>151
今年の家康は関ヶ原で負けると思う
今までの通説を無視しているところからすればもう史実も無視してもいいよな
今年の家康は関ヶ原で負けると思う
今までの通説を無視しているところからすればもう史実も無視してもいいよな
162名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2K3Mmmgp0
>>151
勝頼の戦法をリスペクトして
勝頼の戦法をリスペクトして
関ヶ原戦うフリ→裏切って勝つ 小早川に悪役押し付け
大坂の陣→堀埋め裏切りで勝つ 淀に悪役押し付け
こんな感じだと、家康いい人で行けるんじゃないかな
154名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yTURVAZO02023/06/27(火) 13:13:17.29
どうやっても家康は死なないんだから何でもあり。
155名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:k3SwCXR402023/06/27(火) 13:13:25.73
いだてんの3.7%回を打ち破る事は出来まい！
四天王の中で最弱の位置か
四天王の中で最弱の位置か
156名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cdoNXDMX02023/06/27(火) 13:13:47.89
スイーツ大河は来年やるんだから
戦後時代くらい硬派に仕上げろや
戦後時代くらい硬派に仕上げろや
157名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TjL+6eKe02023/06/27(火) 13:14:33.39
まぁお花畑には悲惨な最期が待っている、
という示唆に富んだ展開かもだわ。
このあと「太平の世」は武力と謀略を
もって屍山血河を築いた果てにあると
目覚めてくれればよいのだが。
という示唆に富んだ展開かもだわ。
このあと「太平の世」は武力と謀略を
もって屍山血河を築いた果てにあると
目覚めてくれればよいのだが。
160名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NRUohDkL0
>>157
ガイド本のあらすじの文面ではそうとも取れるかも
少なくとも後編の文面ではね
ガイド本のあらすじの文面ではそうとも取れるかも
少なくとも後編の文面ではね
158名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:k1iyP0Wf02023/06/27(火) 13:16:22.99
「女大河ガー！」
「女脚本家ガー！」
叩いていた連中には是非この大河と最後まで添い遂げてほしい
「女脚本家ガー！」
叩いていた連中には是非この大河と最後まで添い遂げてほしい
159名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:nrTeatrR02023/06/27(火) 13:17:19.07
一桁台でも
水増しして発表。
水増しして発表。
161名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yeDqe4ni02023/06/27(火) 13:18:19.77
女大河＞＞＞犯罪者続出男大河
163名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:RnyjQ+/s02023/06/27(火) 13:20:25.27
明智光秀も戦のない世界を作るため！とか言って本能寺やるんだろな
177名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wpDn1fap0
>>163
いやどう考えても今回の光秀は自分の欲のためでしょ
いやどう考えても今回の光秀は自分の欲のためでしょ
178名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wpDn1fap0
>>163
いやどう考えても今回の光秀は自分の欲のためでしょ
いやどう考えても今回の光秀は自分の欲のためでしょ
164名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qyR2pfYE02023/06/27(火) 13:22:26.92
録画が2話から溜まってんだよなあ。
見始めようかどうしようか。。。
見始めようかどうしようか。。。
165名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rm9N2cci02023/06/27(火) 13:23:22.14
瀬名の提案て
同盟国になるのと同じなんだが
しかも戦ってるふりするとか
何をしたいのかようわからん
同盟国になるのと同じなんだが
しかも戦ってるふりするとか
何をしたいのかようわからん
166名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TcLJetic02023/06/27(火) 13:23:29.72
そういや、一度も観てないなコレ
167名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2kfvUW9R02023/06/27(火) 13:26:58.48
一番びっくりしたのは田辺誠一かもｗ
あれ？？オレ減敬もやるの？マジ？？？
あれ？？オレ減敬もやるの？マジ？？？
168名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:BC/pI2Zh02023/06/27(火) 13:28:52.50
この先、こんなメルヘン・ストーリーを見せられるなら離脱して、日曜20時は読書でもしようと思った回だった
169名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TjL+6eKe02023/06/27(火) 13:32:15.26
「慈愛」なんていうから胡散臭いんだよな。
「実利」とかにしておけばいいのに。
その辺り上手かったのは秀吉だけど。
「実利」とかにしておけばいいのに。
その辺り上手かったのは秀吉だけど。
戦のフリとかしても兵糧＝金を消耗するだけで
無意味だしその後どう落ちをつけるとか
いう展望もないよねアレ。
174名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:irx4J4bk0
>>169
win-winみたいな方向に変換して家康と2大長老、梅雪がやり方を考える展開の方がまだマシだったね
win-winみたいな方向に変換して家康と2大長老、梅雪がやり方を考える展開の方がまだマシだったね
170名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:p1nHDSl202023/06/27(火) 13:36:56.51
2スレ目とか大人気だな
171名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TcLJetic02023/06/27(火) 13:38:42.50
周辺の農民にとっては落ち武者狩という
ボーナスが消えたわけで、間者にばれないわけねーだろ
ボーナスが消えたわけで、間者にばれないわけねーだろ
172名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QgApl4nC02023/06/27(火) 13:39:00.06
松潤ファン歴27年の姉すら2話で脱落したからな
183名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wpDn1fap0
>>172
それファンじゃない
それファンじゃない
173名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6mQUCTpz02023/06/27(火) 13:39:16.97
欠かさず見てきたけど、今回の件ではっきりしたわ。
これ松本は被害者だろ。
確かに演技は下手だし泣き演技の下顎ガクガクとか見てらんないけど、それでもこの脚本ではどうしようもないわ。
これ松本は被害者だろ。
確かに演技は下手だし泣き演技の下顎ガクガクとか見てらんないけど、それでもこの脚本ではどうしようもないわ。
松本ファンは作品そのものを擁護したいかもしれんが、これ脚本のせいで松本の評判が必要以上に落ちるぞ。
松本ファンこそこの大河にはノーを突きつけないとダメだろ。
185名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wpDn1fap0
>>173
誰がやってもダメでしょ
松潤は演技力あるほうだから
誰がやってもダメでしょ
松潤は演技力あるほうだから
223名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gxi2z/Y/0
>>173
おれも最近は松潤が可哀想になってきた
もっと良い脚本だと代表作になったかもしれないのに、前作の小栗と雲泥の差よ
おれも最近は松潤が可哀想になってきた
もっと良い脚本だと代表作になったかもしれないのに、前作の小栗と雲泥の差よ
227名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bPDEiyq10
>>223
松潤は発声が致命的悪い
松潤は発声が致命的悪い
236名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+fwXmKcd0
>>223
小栗旬は10代の頃からコツコツ端役から下積みしてって主演は20代後半からだから
周りの演技に合わせていく感覚が身についてそれが主役演技でもメリハリついてるけど
松潤は上手くないのにずっとドラマもジャニバーターで出ててジャニパワーで15歳からほぼ主演級出演で
アイドル演技だけで周囲と合わせるとかそういう感覚ゼロなんだよな
ごくせんの現場でも松潤はツンケンして小栗は感じ良かったとか
松潤はアイドルでちやほやされすぎた悪い部分が40になってから出ちゃって痛いな
小栗旬は10代の頃からコツコツ端役から下積みしてって主演は20代後半からだから
周りの演技に合わせていく感覚が身についてそれが主役演技でもメリハリついてるけど
松潤は上手くないのにずっとドラマもジャニバーターで出ててジャニパワーで15歳からほぼ主演級出演で
アイドル演技だけで周囲と合わせるとかそういう感覚ゼロなんだよな
ごくせんの現場でも松潤はツンケンして小栗は感じ良かったとか
松潤はアイドルでちやほやされすぎた悪い部分が40になってから出ちゃって痛いな
「松本潤と小栗旬が仲悪かったって本当？」クマ役が振り返る『ごくせん』撮影秘話
https://bunshun.jp/articles/-/38182?page=2
(2ページ目)「松本潤と小栗旬が仲悪かったって本当？」クマ役が振り返る『ごくせん』撮影秘話 | 文春オンライン(2ページ目)「本当に学校みたいでした。朝早く撮影が始まるので、みんな眠い目をこすりながら撮影に参加していて。遅刻する奴もいましたね。あ、そういえば、旬くんも遅刻してたなあ（笑）。撮影の合間も、仲良いやつらで集まっ…bunshun.jp
175名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YZIpRvbp02023/06/27(火) 13:40:34.83
狐(築山)に化かされて、登場人物全員正常な判断ができなかったオカルト回ということにしよう
176名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:k1iyP0Wf02023/06/27(火) 13:41:25.63
「女大河ガー！」
「女脚本家ガー！」
叩いていた連中には是非この大河と最後まで添い遂げてほしい
「女脚本家ガー！」
叩いていた連中には是非この大河と最後まで添い遂げてほしい
179名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:BC/pI2Zh02023/06/27(火) 13:42:44.01
ウクライナがロシアに領土を侵されてる現在、周辺国が平和憲法を守れば、みな幸せと言わんばかりのお花畑
しかも、戦国時代は弱肉強食の価値観
違和感が半端ない
しかも、戦国時代は弱肉強食の価値観
違和感が半端ない
186名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wpDn1fap0
>>179
完全にフィクション
こんな説聞いたことない
完全にフィクション
こんな説聞いたことない
180名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:U700YbQp02023/06/27(火) 13:42:56.13
毎回見てて思うんだけど、勇者ヨシヒコみたいに、ムロを家康の家臣にすえて、家康に「その話にのっちゃていいのか？」「のっちゃたよー」とか視聴者目線のセリフを入れたらわかりやすかったかと
ついでに、家康に「俺は言ってない！」とか開き直りさせて、家臣一度「まただよー」とか「また始まった」とか脱力する感じで
187名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NKdsa4Yi0
>>180
いっそ、山田孝之を半蔵役から主役に昇格でそれやって欲しい
いっそ、山田孝之を半蔵役から主役に昇格でそれやって欲しい
真面目なフリしてしょうもない創作やってるクソバカドラマより
コント全力振りの方がよっぽどマシ
181名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TcLJetic02023/06/27(火) 13:44:33.91
NEXT脚本家のテコ入れまだかね
184名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HxIS+kg102023/06/27(火) 13:47:00.83
どうする視聴率にw
ここまで低いとテコ入れしても無理かも
ここまで低いとテコ入れしても無理かも
191名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:y0/ZyJ6D02023/06/27(火) 13:55:39.62
前Vシネで強面俳優が戦国物やったのあったけどリアルはあれが１番近いだろうな
195名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/IbB0s9m02023/06/27(火) 14:02:10.19
ファンタジーでも良いのだが面白くないのが残念
196名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8GLN3Ozs02023/06/27(火) 14:04:12.48
NHKって金あるのに合戦シーンを描かないよな
戦国時代でやる意味あるんか？
しかも小規模戦も含めて結構な数の戦をしてる家康で
戦国時代でやる意味あるんか？
しかも小規模戦も含めて結構な数の戦をしてる家康で
197名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UJgfHDuL02023/06/27(火) 14:04:56.43
これからがドキドキの展開な予感ｗ
史実に忠実なのかは分からないけど
どうなる家康だよな この展開ｗｗ
史実に忠実なのかは分からないけど
どうなる家康だよな この展開ｗｗ
わたしからは以上だな ミカエル(悟ったもの)より
198名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5yBqGlOK02023/06/27(火) 14:06:49.20
来週は10.2%くらいだろきっとw
199名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mdcaHP3d02023/06/27(火) 14:07:28.88
まだこんなもんを見てる奴がおるのか
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