100名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ST4sfWeg02023/06/27(火) 12:06:43.31
仲良し設定にするのはドラマだし構わないんだが、その代わりしっかりとした説得力を見せろと
今回みたいな誰が見ても「アホか」としか言えない雑な平和主義振りかざされたら通説通りにやった方がよほど面白かったのにと言われるのがオチだろ
歴史に疎いなら尚の事史実や通説無視のオリジナル展開はそれ相応の説得力見せないと大失敗になるわ
今回みたいな誰が見ても「アホか」としか言えない雑な平和主義振りかざされたら通説通りにやった方がよほど面白かったのにと言われるのがオチだろ
歴史に疎いなら尚の事史実や通説無視のオリジナル展開はそれ相応の説得力見せないと大失敗になるわ
101名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LwIikb1f02023/06/27(火) 12:07:59.33
大河ファンとしては以前から疑問なんだけど、今みたいに再放送も配信もある上に録画も手軽にできて、オンタイムで見るのなんて録画機器さえ持ってない年寄りだけじゃないの?
103名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kq/v3AEK0
>>101
視聴率計測器がどんな家庭に付いてるのかってことじゃないか?
視聴率計測器がどんな家庭に付いてるのかってことじゃないか?
102名無しさん@恐縮ですID:l4sF9Ca902023/06/27(火) 12:09:24.56
来年のも爆死しそう
夏季五輪あるし
夏季五輪あるし
105名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GCm9AKgp02023/06/27(火) 12:10:37.28
どうする松潤
110名無しさん@恐縮ですID:AVap4X8h0
>>105
どうする脚本NHK
どうする脚本NHK
106名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DJfTIcGl02023/06/27(火) 12:11:39.31
日本のメディアはタレントに乗っ取られてる
大河もただの芸能人のプロモーション
こんな枠潰した方がいい歴史が破壊される
大河もただの芸能人のプロモーション
こんな枠潰した方がいい歴史が破壊される
108名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uQnPqnSp02023/06/27(火) 12:14:14.69
「徳姫12ヶ条の弾劾文」
1 築山殿は、私と信康様との仲を裂こうとする。
2 築山殿は、女子しか生んでない私の事を「役立たず」と言う。
3 築山殿は、男子は妾に生ませればよいと、武田関係者の妾を用意した。
4 築山殿は、浮気相手の減敬を通して武田と繋がっている。
5 武田勝頼は、信康を味方にし、織田・徳川滅亡後は信康を領主とし、築山殿は武田の武将・小山田と結婚させると言っている。
6 信康は、気が荒く、私に情報を提供してくれた侍女を、私の目の前で「このおしゃべり女め」と言って殺し、さらにその口を裂いた。
7 信康は、踊りが好きで、踊りが下手な者を射殺した。
8 信康は、鷹狩で獲物がなかったのを出逢った僧のせいにし、その僧の首と馬を縄で繋ぎ、馬を走らせて殺した。
9 武田勝頼は、信康を味方にしたいと言っているので油断しないように。
10 築山殿は、金使いが荒く、贅沢三昧な暮らしをしている。
11 築山殿は、武田勝頼に「(今川義元を殺した)織田信長と(両親の自害の原因を作り、さらに今川家を滅亡させた)徳川家康を殺して欲しい」と言っている。
12 近頃、岡崎城下で踊りが流行して、風紀が乱れているのは、城主の信康が愚公だからだ。
1 築山殿は、私と信康様との仲を裂こうとする。
2 築山殿は、女子しか生んでない私の事を「役立たず」と言う。
3 築山殿は、男子は妾に生ませればよいと、武田関係者の妾を用意した。
4 築山殿は、浮気相手の減敬を通して武田と繋がっている。
5 武田勝頼は、信康を味方にし、織田・徳川滅亡後は信康を領主とし、築山殿は武田の武将・小山田と結婚させると言っている。
6 信康は、気が荒く、私に情報を提供してくれた侍女を、私の目の前で「このおしゃべり女め」と言って殺し、さらにその口を裂いた。
7 信康は、踊りが好きで、踊りが下手な者を射殺した。
8 信康は、鷹狩で獲物がなかったのを出逢った僧のせいにし、その僧の首と馬を縄で繋ぎ、馬を走らせて殺した。
9 武田勝頼は、信康を味方にしたいと言っているので油断しないように。
10 築山殿は、金使いが荒く、贅沢三昧な暮らしをしている。
11 築山殿は、武田勝頼に「(今川義元を殺した)織田信長と(両親の自害の原因を作り、さらに今川家を滅亡させた)徳川家康を殺して欲しい」と言っている。
12 近頃、岡崎城下で踊りが流行して、風紀が乱れているのは、城主の信康が愚公だからだ。
書状は酒井忠次にもたせて安土の織田信長に届けられた。『三河物語』によると信長はひとつひとつの項目の真偽を酒井に確認。酒井は10カ条まで「そのとおりです」と答えた。信長はそれ以降は尋ねず「老臣が全て承知しているならば疑いない。信康に腹を切らせるよう家康に申せ」と言った。
200名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pzWqzrnr0
>>108
これを五徳に頼んで書かせるというのは
その発想はなかったわと思ったw
これを五徳に頼んで書かせるというのは
その発想はなかったわと思ったw
182名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wpDn1fap0
>>108
すげえ勉強になったありがとう
すげえ勉強になったありがとう
109名無しさん@恐縮ですID:598iJfo802023/06/27(火) 12:14:23.29
どうする家康 虎の巻という宣伝を必死にやってるのに
111名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G19qgp2m02023/06/27(火) 12:15:39.88
どうする家康って結局どうするのが正解なの
204名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yWpguZwi0
>>111
普通に家康の史実追ってるだけで充分面白いので
わりとその場しのぎで生きてる人だったし
真田丸の内野家康みたいなキャラで作っておけば
どうする家康、というタイトルに沿ったドラマになったのになあと
普通に家康の史実追ってるだけで充分面白いので
わりとその場しのぎで生きてる人だったし
真田丸の内野家康みたいなキャラで作っておけば
どうする家康、というタイトルに沿ったドラマになったのになあと
220名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6o1vDB2A0
>>204
半蔵どうするんじゃ?
押し通ります!
で終わるじゃねぇか
半蔵どうするんじゃ?
押し通ります!
で終わるじゃねぇか
112名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+dR5JM2v02023/06/27(火) 12:17:37.92
何が面白いの?もう役者の芝居が下手すぎて見てられねえわ。変にやかましいしよ~
113名無しさん@恐縮ですID:94TmP7Pd02023/06/27(火) 12:17:42.14
回想シーンの多様は、手っ取り早いコスト削減
NHKは1982年の大河「峠の群像」の浅野内匠頭の松の廊下のシーンを
1992年の「腕におぼえあり」でも使い
1995年の大河「8代将軍吉宗」でも使いまわした
ちなみに内匠頭は、あの隆大介
114名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PfNJLA6I02023/06/27(火) 12:21:44.54
でも信長と信玄はかっこいい
115名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uzekzg7/02023/06/27(火) 12:22:49.88
批判の矛先は全部ジャニに向けさせて実際ヤリタイ放題なのはNHK制作陣って感じ
116名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RPMTOlhd02023/06/27(火) 12:23:19.74
片方が戦しない宣言すれば攻めて来られないってwwww
どこかの国にも居るなwwww
どこかの国にも居るなwwww
117名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QJs605Jb02023/06/27(火) 12:25:06.26
どうする尿潤
118名無しさん@恐縮ですID:MOB1taNd02023/06/27(火) 12:26:37.54
とにかく脚本が酷すぎる
レジェバタはさらに酷かった
この脚本家の作品はもう見ないと決めた
レジェバタはさらに酷かった
この脚本家の作品はもう見ないと決めた
119名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XJutPUgl02023/06/27(火) 12:27:05.71
この頃今回のどうする家康
ジェームス三木がやっていたら
どんなんなるんだろうと
思うようになってきた
ジェームス三木がやっていたら
どんなんなるんだろうと
思うようになってきた
120名無しさん@恐縮ですID:MqsJQu9w02023/06/27(火) 12:28:53.43
予備知識が信長協奏曲程度だから楽勝で楽しめてる
121名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oPw6sfcu02023/06/27(火) 12:29:08.01
浅はか過ぎて話にならん
昔の大河のリマスター版放送したほうが視聴率取れるぞ
滝田栄の家康とか
昔の大河のリマスター版放送したほうが視聴率取れるぞ
滝田栄の家康とか
130名無しさん@恐縮ですID:94TmP7Pd0
>>121
いま滝田の家康DVDを借りてみてるんだけど
滝田栄は33歳なのに重厚かつ深みのある演技でさ
ちょっとしたしぐさとか戻して見直ししたりしてる
役所広司の信長もいい
いま滝田の家康DVDを借りてみてるんだけど
滝田栄は33歳なのに重厚かつ深みのある演技でさ
ちょっとしたしぐさとか戻して見直ししたりしてる
役所広司の信長もいい
39の松潤の学芸会のお遊戯が別の意味で面白い
136名無しさん@恐縮ですID:O8PNnWyN0
>>130
描かれているキャラがとっちゃん坊やだからね
でも見ているとシリアスなシーンの方が合いそうな感じだと思ったな
士官した虎松とのシーンとかは良かったよ
キャラ造形が違ってくれば違う演技をするだろうね
描かれているキャラがとっちゃん坊やだからね
でも見ているとシリアスなシーンの方が合いそうな感じだと思ったな
士官した虎松とのシーンとかは良かったよ
キャラ造形が違ってくれば違う演技をするだろうね
122名無しさん@恐縮ですID:smMiwXEs02023/06/27(火) 12:29:11.56
脳が記憶を拒否した回やった。
な~んも覚えとらん。
な~んも覚えとらん。
123名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jvV5rTCK02023/06/27(火) 12:29:24.50
ジャニオタが頑張って10%キープしてるが今後の信長欺き作戦に松潤も協力したのに嫁だけ処刑の展開に女として耐えられるんか?
それとも推しが健在ならそれで良いのがジャニオタか
それとも推しが健在ならそれで良いのがジャニオタか
124名無しさん@恐縮ですID:klnHSrVb02023/06/27(火) 12:30:38.94
大河なんていつもファンタジーなんだからこれはこれでよくね?
127名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XG8OvEl+0
>>124
見てないなw
見てないなw
147名無しさん@恐縮ですID:klnHSrVb0
>>127
毎週見てるぞ
毎週見てるぞ
148名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XG8OvEl+0
>>147
ウソつくなw
ウソつくなw
192名無しさん@恐縮ですID:v/LRF6nB0
>>148
全話見てるぞ
全話見てるぞ
212名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XG8OvEl+0
>>192
つけてるだけだろw
つけてるだけだろw
241名無しさん@恐縮ですID:v/LRF6nB0
>>212
録画して見てるぞ
録画して見てるぞ
125名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Dau/7jGR02023/06/27(火) 12:34:14.94
松潤は殺陣やらせたり、弓矢や刀・槍の稽古シーン入れておけば、そこそこ無難にこなしたんじゃないかね
普段はガキみたいだけど、戦いには強かったり、いざという時や改めてシッカリ考えると良い策を打ち出せるとか、そんな描き方でもしていればもう少し面白かったと思う
駄目すぎて瀬名に介護されてばかりの描き方は流石に酷い
普段はガキみたいだけど、戦いには強かったり、いざという時や改めてシッカリ考えると良い策を打ち出せるとか、そんな描き方でもしていればもう少し面白かったと思う
駄目すぎて瀬名に介護されてばかりの描き方は流石に酷い
128名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pzWqzrnr0
>>125
体術と木彫りがうまいよ
体術と木彫りがうまいよ
126名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4U2M9xjL02023/06/27(火) 12:34:37.23
カマ顔にグダグダの脚本
ジャニタレのお遊戯発表会だし
ジャニタレのお遊戯発表会だし
129名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rmNtLDsu02023/06/27(火) 12:35:41.93
なんかアメリカのHBOみたいにリアリティ溢れて、ドキドキするような壮大な戦国ドラマできないの?
戦国エンタメとして割り切って期待を極限まで下げてもみれないってどういうことなの?
戦国エンタメとして割り切って期待を極限まで下げてもみれないってどういうことなの?
152名無しさん@恐縮ですID:v9dEbBaZ0
>>129
まぁ、NHKは国民を馬鹿にしてんだろうねぇ。
そんな重厚なドラマを作っても、理解できないだろう、馬鹿だからって感じだろ
まぁ、NHKは国民を馬鹿にしてんだろうねぇ。
そんな重厚なドラマを作っても、理解できないだろう、馬鹿だからって感じだろ
131名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1VPA6tBU02023/06/27(火) 12:38:45.54
瀬名がアホ構想をもつ設定は別にいい
それを家康、徳川家臣団、勝頼、武田家臣団がみんな受け入れるとかアホすぎる
それを家康、徳川家臣団、勝頼、武田家臣団がみんな受け入れるとかアホすぎる
受信料払って見てる視聴者バカにしすぎや
132名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Dlqf1U4602023/06/27(火) 12:39:09.96
そもそも葵つかさと井上真央と同時に付き合って文春の直撃にも
「そんな人知らない、事務所を通して」で済ませた
広末涼子と違ってジャニーズ事務所のお陰でマスコミも沈黙
「そんな人知らない、事務所を通して」で済ませた
広末涼子と違ってジャニーズ事務所のお陰でマスコミも沈黙
本来、大河ドラマの主演なんてありえなかったんだから主演できただけで儲けものだろ
141名無しさん@恐縮ですID:MqsJQu9w0
>>132
いやいや
多分あの家康役はボクちゃんで当て書きしてたんだと思うよ
最初瀬名が元康を貶す場面なんて瀬名はまんまダーコだし
夏目が死んで泣きじゃくる家康は赤星に縋るボクちゃんまんまだわ
いやいや
多分あの家康役はボクちゃんで当て書きしてたんだと思うよ
最初瀬名が元康を貶す場面なんて瀬名はまんまダーコだし
夏目が死んで泣きじゃくる家康は赤星に縋るボクちゃんまんまだわ
133名無しさん@恐縮ですID:b9/e9Tak02023/06/27(火) 12:42:01.55
何てキリが良い数字!不思議!10.0%なんて!
135名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6Dgh1KMC02023/06/27(火) 12:42:50.90
なんかやべえ流れだ…
137名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rP1mPwWw02023/06/27(火) 12:48:17.66
そろそろいだてん超えてもいいんじゃないかな
140名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TYfTIdSq02023/06/27(火) 12:50:54.49
滝田さんの家康の演技、持ち上げるほど上手いとは思わなかったな
声は大きいけどセリフが不明瞭で何言ってるか聞き取りにくかったり表情もそこまで作れてない
敗走した時の表情や荒い呼吸なんていかにも演技で下手だったし
重みはあるけど
でも時代がそういう時代で周りもそうだったと言える
重みに飢えた人には良いかもしれない
でも、役者としては今川氏真を演じた溝端淳平の方が上手いし表現力の幅もあるなと思った
声は大きいけどセリフが不明瞭で何言ってるか聞き取りにくかったり表情もそこまで作れてない
敗走した時の表情や荒い呼吸なんていかにも演技で下手だったし
重みはあるけど
でも時代がそういう時代で周りもそうだったと言える
重みに飢えた人には良いかもしれない
でも、役者としては今川氏真を演じた溝端淳平の方が上手いし表現力の幅もあるなと思った
142名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fEk1p2l402023/06/27(火) 12:52:41.09
大河好きの旦那が先週途中までみてもういいやって言ってた
145名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NRUohDkL0
>>142
26話だけ見てあげて
26話だけ見てあげて
144名無しさん@恐縮ですID:x/3idU2202023/06/27(火) 12:54:50.70
乃木坂にチクられてかすみちゃん大ピンチ
146名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yiCYTX3802023/06/27(火) 12:57:31.41
来年の大河はもっとすごいぞ
149名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yeWS7D2g02023/06/27(火) 13:00:18.45
よく10パーもみてるな
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