400名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:b3nWKUNx02023/06/28(水) 16:47:53.13
BSで昔の時代劇見てたほうがいいレベチ
403名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2jLRANuX02023/06/28(水) 19:23:57.04
磯智明、NHK職員達
俺たちは新進気鋭のあーテストさんと仕事がしたい！
手垢の付いた戦国時代なんかやりたくねー
うんざりなんだよ！
グーチョキパー
徳川家の葵紋も岡崎市公務員捏造の神の手偽家紋を採用
古沢良太と天皇家を王家にしたように
徳川家をメタメタに切り裂く大河ドラマを作ろうと画策
404名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2jLRANuX02023/06/28(水) 19:24:39.51
古沢良太がやりたいことってのが徳川家康と関係ないんだよね
徳川家康の大河ドラマって設定いる？
405名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2jLRANuX02023/06/28(水) 19:30:13.90
そりゃ徳川家康の家紋使わないはずだよ
あの偽家紋、捏造家紋は全くアカデミックな検証などされていない物
岡崎市の公務員が神の手で自分の手を徳川家康のストーリーに刻み込むための神の手捏造家紋
本田忠勝の家紋出てきてないだろ？
公務員のストーリーは家紋は進化する
徳川家康の家紋は進化する
オデの公務員家紋から進化する！！
だから本田忠勝の家紋が出てきたら捏造発覚して葵紋が進化するってアホ丸だしのストーリーが破綻するから出さない
この神の手の理由
あーーー！
徳川家康の初期の家紋がこれだって文献あるのか！出してみろよ！ね～だろが！
あーー！なんか物証あるのかよ！証拠出せよ！！
だから
古沢良太もこれに乗って
当時の女性についての文献とか言い伝えは殆どないとか抜かしてオリジナルストーリーを作る
そりゃ裏方の女の言い伝え何か残ってねーよなw
406名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GYtJPBsK02023/06/29(木) 04:23:32.68
戦国期の女性の描き方は毛利元就が一番よく出来ていたと思う
内館牧子も大河の仕事が来るまで時代物を書いたことがなくて猛勉強したそうだが
永井路子の原作があったとはいえキャラクター造形に内館色も存分に入れつつ史実からも大きく逸脱しない素晴らしい出来だったよ
古沢も新しい戦国の女性を描くというならせめてあれの半分くらいはやって欲しかった
内館牧子も大河の仕事が来るまで時代物を書いたことがなくて猛勉強したそうだが
永井路子の原作があったとはいえキャラクター造形に内館色も存分に入れつつ史実からも大きく逸脱しない素晴らしい出来だったよ
古沢も新しい戦国の女性を描くというならせめてあれの半分くらいはやって欲しかった
407名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GYtJPBsK02023/06/29(木) 04:28:37.23
つーか歴史物は史実という枷があるから面白いし観る価値があるんだよな
古沢はとにかくのびのび書きすぎだわ
古沢はとにかくのびのび書きすぎだわ
408名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gwuDGn2/02023/06/29(木) 05:04:34.39
有村の処刑は半年後じゃないの？
409名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OXwQOroz02023/06/29(木) 05:16:06.89
無知な奴に脚本書かせた結果
空想で瀬名のおままごと書いちゃいました
空想で瀬名のおままごと書いちゃいました
412名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:C32gFdD+02023/06/29(木) 06:58:26.24
歴史小説のフィクションをいつまで史実と思い込んでいるのやら
413名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sJZUaaQW02023/06/29(木) 07:03:09.21
超展開すぎて視聴者置いてけぼり
414名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5VbqrmUJ02023/06/29(木) 07:37:48.52
出来る事なら家康でも、瀬名でもなんでもいいから脚本家に祟ってくれ
もう古沢脚本だと時代劇でも、新しいモノでも見たくなくなった
もう古沢脚本だと時代劇でも、新しいモノでも見たくなくなった
415名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OULiY15a02023/06/29(木) 08:01:24.32
歴史物ファンタジーなら「JIN」くらいの面白さがないときついわ
448名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EEqx7bsj0
>>415
仁面白かったよな
おかげで同時期の龍馬伝で仁しぇんしぇ呼んでこいレスが多発してたなw
仁面白かったよな
おかげで同時期の龍馬伝で仁しぇんしぇ呼んでこいレスが多発してたなw
453名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Sp3BL8WN0
>>448
仁も戦に関しては原作にない脚本家のお花畑平和論が湧いていた
仁も戦に関しては原作にない脚本家のお花畑平和論が湧いていた
416名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pFtLBr+u02023/06/29(木) 08:07:13.04
家康脱糞だって大昔の大河の嘘なのに未だにネタにされる
たまに史実と思ってる人がいる弊害はあるけどw
面白いかどうかだよねぇ
たまに史実と思ってる人がいる弊害はあるけどw
面白いかどうかだよねぇ
420名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:SBBrVqHI0
>>416
江戸時代に談合坂の戦いのエピで書かれた
江戸時代に談合坂の戦いのエピで書かれた
423名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lrlFgVsY0
>>416
ドラマが面白けりゃ新ネタでも別に良い派
ただ、ありそうなホラは面白けりゃいただくが
あり得ないうえにつまらないのは勘弁
今年の大河はありえないつまらないのコンボが多すぎる
ドラマが面白けりゃ新ネタでも別に良い派
ただ、ありそうなホラは面白けりゃいただくが
あり得ないうえにつまらないのは勘弁
今年の大河はありえないつまらないのコンボが多すぎる
417名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lrlFgVsY02023/06/29(木) 08:16:56.43
新しい戦国の女性を～
って言うけどさ
ぶっちゃけ麒麟の帰蝶のほうが目新しかったわ
序盤のフィクサー帰蝶全開はワクワクした
特に聖徳寺会見は本人露出ほぼ0で信長の台詞だけで帰蝶のお膳立てとその意図をちらつかせる脚本演出は見事だった
って言うけどさ
ぶっちゃけ麒麟の帰蝶のほうが目新しかったわ
序盤のフィクサー帰蝶全開はワクワクした
特に聖徳寺会見は本人露出ほぼ0で信長の台詞だけで帰蝶のお膳立てとその意図をちらつかせる脚本演出は見事だった
418名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qN3JL+4M02023/06/29(木) 08:41:31.45
去年も一般には悪女とされる北条政子をいい人にしていた
424名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:N2SDcHyG0
>>418
世間では悪女って評判だって言われてたよ
世間では悪女って評判だって言われてたよ
419名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NpbWDCn102023/06/29(木) 08:41:57.00
軍師官兵衛の帰蝶なんか短刀で近寄る賊をバッタバッタと切りつけてたもんなあ
まあその説もアリなんだっけ
（帰蝶は全く資料ないので実は嫁入り後すぐ死んだ説と本能寺で薙刀持って戦って信長と死んだ説と
後々までずっと生きた説がある つまり何でもアリ）
まあその説もアリなんだっけ
（帰蝶は全く資料ないので実は嫁入り後すぐ死んだ説と本能寺で薙刀持って戦って信長と死んだ説と
後々までずっと生きた説がある つまり何でもアリ）
421名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zSm3L6YV02023/06/29(木) 08:53:37.82
今後、古沢のバカが書いた脚本のドラマは
安心してスルーできるわ
安心してスルーできるわ
425名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZIF1UN6f02023/06/29(木) 10:16:04.59
よく女性向けに話を改変してるって言うけど、戦国ものって、結構女視聴者が殺伐とした世界観を望んでるよね
イケメンが雄雄しく戦ってる姿をむしろ、女は望んでるんじゃないの
でも、女性キャストを活躍させるために無理やり現代的な平和論を入れてるのかもしれんけど
そもそも戦国大名ってヤクザの権力争いみたいなもんでしょ
よほど戦いに疲れないと平和なんて望んでないと思うけど
426名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0wB8qcc/0
>>425
現代でもバカ扱いされる平和論
現代でもバカ扱いされる平和論
427名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2WldazOW02023/06/29(木) 11:28:09.06
実は築山殿は生きていた
という更なるトンデモ展開
という更なるトンデモ展開
428名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:B8sSK1+r02023/06/29(木) 11:43:55.40
築山殿の件も
雪斎と寿桂尼が波乱を引き起こすため育てた最終兵器とか
密かに侵入した宣教師が影で扇動してたとか
前後いずれかの歴史と繋がっていたら
説得力も面白みも出ると思うんだよなぁ
宣教師に洗脳された妻を失ったことで
キリスト教の恐ろしさを見に染みて感じた家康が・・・
だったらちょっとワクワクしない？
雪斎と寿桂尼が波乱を引き起こすため育てた最終兵器とか
密かに侵入した宣教師が影で扇動してたとか
前後いずれかの歴史と繋がっていたら
説得力も面白みも出ると思うんだよなぁ
宣教師に洗脳された妻を失ったことで
キリスト教の恐ろしさを見に染みて感じた家康が・・・
だったらちょっとワクワクしない？
430名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lNpzF6as02023/06/29(木) 12:45:22.22
7月からは歴史改変ドラマ「どこが家康？」に
タイトルを変えて深夜枠でやろう
タイトルを変えて深夜枠でやろう
431名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:592dnKlX02023/06/29(木) 12:51:59.95
しかし、なかなか一桁に落ちないなw
まあ、来週はありえるか
まさに土俵際
まあ、来週はありえるか
まさに土俵際
433名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TH90yM/p02023/06/29(木) 13:12:54.20
殺された築山殿は影武者で
復讐のため本能寺の変を起こした本能寺の変築山殿黒幕説
復讐のため本能寺の変を起こした本能寺の変築山殿黒幕説
434名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:N2SDcHyG0
>>433
それもう有村架純が主役
それもう有村架純が主役
439名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:L8T5DDlK0
>>434
ぽっと出の登場人物が回想シーンを挟んではすぐ退場を繰り返すこのドラマにおいて
今川から取り返す話だけで2話使うなど瀬名は破格の厚遇と言える
ぽっと出の登場人物が回想シーンを挟んではすぐ退場を繰り返すこのドラマにおいて
今川から取り返す話だけで2話使うなど瀬名は破格の厚遇と言える
435名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CiS0c1Jo02023/06/29(木) 14:09:40.68
キムタク「大河で10％は有りえんわwww」
436名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PffZ8nDG02023/06/29(木) 15:45:26.05
普通に作れば13%前後では推移できたでしょ
徳川家康の名前に胡座をかいてふざけたことやりすぎたね
徳川家康の名前に胡座をかいてふざけたことやりすぎたね
446名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hC2K3FsE0
>>436
ちょっと違う
元々徳川家康って偉業に比べて人気が無い武将の筆頭のような存在だったからな
普通にやったら十中八九爆死するので工夫は必須
だが奇を衒い過ぎて失敗したって感じ
ちょっと違う
元々徳川家康って偉業に比べて人気が無い武将の筆頭のような存在だったからな
普通にやったら十中八九爆死するので工夫は必須
だが奇を衒い過ぎて失敗したって感じ
459名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XUezXIt90
>>446
その「偉業」も相当盛られてる
人跡未踏の湿原を家康一代で世界的大都市と巨大な経済圏に変容させた
とか信じてる奴が結構いる
その「偉業」も相当盛られてる
人跡未踏の湿原を家康一代で世界的大都市と巨大な経済圏に変容させた
とか信じてる奴が結構いる
437名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xMCH3NPO02023/06/29(木) 16:53:19.57
戦国時代の女性の話なら断然今川がおもしろい。男キャラも北条早雲をはじめ濃いメンツだし
438名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:L8T5DDlK02023/06/29(木) 17:08:10.97
怨霊になった築山殿が明智光秀の夢枕に立って言うんだろう
「信長を討て」と
「信長を討て」と
440名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NpbWDCn102023/06/29(木) 17:31:53.30
もしかしてNHKの制作側はこれまでに何度もやってきた徳川家康の物語じゃなくて
歴史秘話ヒストリアみたいに「家康をめぐる人々」を紹介する歴史バラエティがやりたかったのかな
すでにこれまで家康をとりまく家臣たちやら鳥居強右衛門の話とか家康の側室らをピックアップしてたし
と思ったが各エピソードの捏造度が酷すぎてわりと歴史秘話ヒストリアやWikipediaより出来が悪い
一体何がしたいのか
歴史秘話ヒストリアみたいに「家康をめぐる人々」を紹介する歴史バラエティがやりたかったのかな
すでにこれまで家康をとりまく家臣たちやら鳥居強右衛門の話とか家康の側室らをピックアップしてたし
と思ったが各エピソードの捏造度が酷すぎてわりと歴史秘話ヒストリアやWikipediaより出来が悪い
一体何がしたいのか
442名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:vQn03pZV02023/06/29(木) 18:44:39.69
どうする糞スレ
449名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:AdE6khDp02023/06/29(木) 19:26:04.42
築山殿が交易による和平を提案
勝頼がそれに乗って戦ってる振りをする
そんなアホな
勝頼がそれに乗って戦ってる振りをする
そんなアホな
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