452名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:llXV5Flz02023/06/30(金) 00:08:40.95
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454名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:w21yMCn502023/06/30(金) 05:53:14.69
勝頼の描き方で作品のもう一つのテーマみたいなんが見えてきたな
氏真と同じく偉大な父親を持って苦悩する男ての
信雄も秀頼もそう描かれるし我が子秀忠もそうなる
氏真と同じく偉大な父親を持って苦悩する男ての
信雄も秀頼もそう描かれるし我が子秀忠もそうなる
455名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Xfy4NT7T02023/06/30(金) 06:20:26.42
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457名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:u+tLpKRA02023/06/30(金) 06:49:31.31
和平を望むのはいいのよ
戦は嫌じゃーもOK
瀬名と家康が仲良し設定もOK
脇キャラが主人公に必ず好感を持つのもOK
オリキャラが活躍するのもOK
戦は嫌じゃーもOK
瀬名と家康が仲良し設定もOK
脇キャラが主人公に必ず好感を持つのもOK
オリキャラが活躍するのもOK
とにもかくにも「面白い！！」って思える様に作ってくれれば…
もう多くは望まないから…
460名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:61L0xI3F02023/06/30(金) 08:07:02.31
ジャニーズ松潤のイメージを壊したらいけない前提の脚本。
家康が自分から妻子を処罰なんかしない。
家康は自分から側室なんかとらない。無理矢理とらされた。
家康は好戦的ではない。慈愛ある人。周りが暴走した。
家康は現代の女性全てがキュンとくる優しい人。
色々謀略あるが、全て側近が勝手に仕組んだ事。家康は全く悪くない。
474名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HB7NZtCh0
>>460
それだったら、そもそもあんなにギャーギャー騒ぐガキみたいなキャラにしないでしょ
カッコイイ系のキャラにして活躍させた方が本人のイメージ的にも良いんだから
それだったら、そもそもあんなにギャーギャー騒ぐガキみたいなキャラにしないでしょ
カッコイイ系のキャラにして活躍させた方が本人のイメージ的にも良いんだから
475名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5XdH9DKy0
>>474
って思うじゃん、でも松潤でヒット作出た役ってみんなクソみたいなアホガキ男キャラばっか
きみはペットとか花より男子ってもう20年ぐらい前なのか、あの頃はアホ青臭い所が良かったのに
あれから全然成長しないのに大河なんて引き受けてガキ臭いままの演技で評判落としてホントアホだなあ
って思うじゃん、でも松潤でヒット作出た役ってみんなクソみたいなアホガキ男キャラばっか
きみはペットとか花より男子ってもう20年ぐらい前なのか、あの頃はアホ青臭い所が良かったのに
あれから全然成長しないのに大河なんて引き受けてガキ臭いままの演技で評判落としてホントアホだなあ
461名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Z5gkM9MQ02023/06/30(金) 08:17:31.54
贔屓目に見てるけど
見ながら
つまんねーな、と思った初めての大河
大体どんなんでも見始めたら面白いのに
脚本書いてる人にこんなつまんないもんよく流してて恥ずかしくねーのかと強く思う
大河の王道やりながら自分の脚本かけないのかな、と
見ながら
つまんねーな、と思った初めての大河
大体どんなんでも見始めたら面白いのに
脚本書いてる人にこんなつまんないもんよく流してて恥ずかしくねーのかと強く思う
大河の王道やりながら自分の脚本かけないのかな、と
462名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/wcBj4Rf02023/06/30(金) 08:19:43.24
女がよく出てくる大河はつまらん
469名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:au8J6QzM0
>>462
篤姫の高視聴率が忘れられないのよ
篤姫の高視聴率が忘れられないのよ
473名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ua4Pgtk20
>>469
篤姫は民放に先行作品があったお蔭
篤姫は民放に先行作品があったお蔭
479名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rFW6ViEw0
>>473
篤姫に先行作品なんてあったっけ？
その作品を参考にしてたの？
篤姫に先行作品なんてあったっけ？
その作品を参考にしてたの？
481名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ua4Pgtk20
>>479
大奥物
大奥物
463名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sNZZf3GI02023/06/30(金) 08:21:28.87
ここから面白くするなら山風張りの忍者大戦でもするしかあるまい
荒唐無稽だろうが矛盾あろうが忍者なら許される
何より松潤をほぼ出さなくて良い
荒唐無稽だろうが矛盾あろうが忍者なら許される
何より松潤をほぼ出さなくて良い
464名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JziJPDjC02023/06/30(金) 08:23:43.59
何十年も見てると本当に当たりだったと思えた大河ドラマなんざ精々数本
これはこれで落語かお笑い演芸を見てるようにバカバカしさを楽しめる
これはこれで落語かお笑い演芸を見てるようにバカバカしさを楽しめる
って爺ちゃんが言ってたw
467名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Dxvrudfe0
>>464
嘘つき
嘘つき
465名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Z5gkM9MQ02023/06/30(金) 08:24:28.91
いだてんよりはマシだけどね
それぐらい
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466名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZVP8tU4m02023/06/30(金) 08:28:10.72
なんかタイムスクープハンターを見てるような陳腐さなんだよな。話も役者も。家康なのに大河感がまるでない
472名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NW8BjZiH0
>>466
またタイムスクープハンターのほうが登場人物が人物として描けてるしなんなら共感もする
またタイムスクープハンターのほうが登場人物が人物として描けてるしなんなら共感もする
471名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:D81R6noD02023/06/30(金) 08:52:36.78
あそこまで優れた思想の持ち主が、岡崎の成り上がり下請け会社のボンボン選ぶかよ
氏真選ぶだろよｗｗｗ
と言いたいし
同じ位ファンタジーを選ぶなら、唐田えりかみたいな「かわいいフリしてヤル女」みたいなの
出して、その女と３年ぐらい不倫してました、
だから疎遠になり、ほぼ離婚状態にで結果、武田側の忍びに攻略されたので
。。。斬っ!!! とかした方がずっとまし
氏真選ぶだろよｗｗｗ
と言いたいし
同じ位ファンタジーを選ぶなら、唐田えりかみたいな「かわいいフリしてヤル女」みたいなの
出して、その女と３年ぐらい不倫してました、
だから疎遠になり、ほぼ離婚状態にで結果、武田側の忍びに攻略されたので
。。。斬っ!!! とかした方がずっとまし
476名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JKRYOuaB02023/06/30(金) 09:59:41.27
次回で嫁さんぶっ殺すんだっけ？
これで視聴率上がらなかったらおしまいだな
これで視聴率上がらなかったらおしまいだな
477名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5XdH9DKy02023/06/30(金) 10:13:19.27
大体「意見合わないから」「信長や家臣たちのせいにして」
「もうとっくに冷え切ってた今川の偉そうな嫁と優秀だけど生意気な息子を見殺しにした」
「前に妻の侍女にお手付きしたらボロクソにイジメたので
別居してから浜松では可愛い妾何人かとよろしくやって
嫁と子殺した後すぐにお気に入りになる阿茶ちゃんもゲット」って
この頃の家康なんてどー考えてもカス行動しかしてないのに
「別居はしてるけど愛し合って信頼しあい平和を望み信長を欺こうとする賢い妻と
束の間の家族平和を楽しむ そして訪れる悲劇・・」ってもうこれ徳川家康の話でもなんでもなくね？
「もうとっくに冷え切ってた今川の偉そうな嫁と優秀だけど生意気な息子を見殺しにした」
「前に妻の侍女にお手付きしたらボロクソにイジメたので
別居してから浜松では可愛い妾何人かとよろしくやって
嫁と子殺した後すぐにお気に入りになる阿茶ちゃんもゲット」って
この頃の家康なんてどー考えてもカス行動しかしてないのに
「別居はしてるけど愛し合って信頼しあい平和を望み信長を欺こうとする賢い妻と
束の間の家族平和を楽しむ そして訪れる悲劇・・」ってもうこれ徳川家康の話でもなんでもなくね？
478名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gtpVs0yY02023/06/30(金) 10:18:05.05
嫁を感動的に殺すというのは結構ハードル高いと思うな
480名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rFW6ViEw0
>>478
まあ、いろいろ予想出てるけど、殺さないで生かすんじゃないのかな？
殺しちゃうと一気に話が鬱になるし
まあ、いろいろ予想出てるけど、殺さないで生かすんじゃないのかな？
殺しちゃうと一気に話が鬱になるし
まあ、替え玉作ったり、やりようはあるでしょ
要は殺さなくても、表舞台に出なかったら死んだも同然だし、信長もうるさくは言わんでしょ
482名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cvqoNS7J02023/06/30(金) 11:01:17.51
ＮＨＫは実在した明治生まれが主人公の朝の連ドラまで捏造しまくりだからなｗ
戦国時代なんてやりたい放題だろ
483名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:quGI4L6q0
>>482
やりたい放題の上つまんないのがど家
やりたい放題の上つまんないのがど家
486名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cvqoNS7J0
>>483
朝の連ドラは反戦とジェンダーレスを絡めて嘘を捏造しても
今の時代に近いからまあまあ我慢もできるけど
朝の連ドラは反戦とジェンダーレスを絡めて嘘を捏造しても
今の時代に近いからまあまあ我慢もできるけど
戦国時代にまで反戦とジェンダーレスをやるのは「 さすがにそれはないわｗ 」と誰もが思ってるだろうな
487名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PfNtyz060
>>482
朝ドラは牧野富太郎ではなく槙野万太郎のお話
調べればモデルがいることは明らかだけどあくまで別人
朝ドラは牧野富太郎ではなく槙野万太郎のお話
調べればモデルがいることは明らかだけどあくまで別人
大河ドラマでは「徳川家康や「織田信長」の名前を借りるんだから
あまり突拍子もないことをさせるのはどうかと思う
488名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cvqoNS7J0
>>487
世間は実在した人物の物語として見ているのに
名前が違うから＝フィクションだから何をやっても構わないというNHKの逃げ道にすぎない
世間は実在した人物の物語として見ているのに
名前が違うから＝フィクションだから何をやっても構わないというNHKの逃げ道にすぎない
だったら家康も得皮伊江安と名前を変えて堂々と捏造すればいい
490名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:knT78+Fk02023/06/30(金) 11:54:46.03
築山の構想の中の徳川の東国志向というか
上方とは別の権力で東国を経営したいみたいなところは
ドラマ内で瀬名の遺志みたいな感じにならない気がしないでもない
上方とは別の権力で東国を経営したいみたいなところは
ドラマ内で瀬名の遺志みたいな感じにならない気がしないでもない
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