250名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Zb8X2r/f02023/07/17(月) 18:25:21.69
環境が違うのではなく収入が違うんだと思うよ？
杏ちゃんは小さい頃からお金持ちの家で育ってるから理解できないかもしれないけど
杏ちゃんは小さい頃からお金持ちの家で育ってるから理解できないかもしれないけど
260名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NmIpOx1G0
>>250
いや杏は貧乏生活だろw
金稼ぐためにモデル始めたんだし
いや杏は貧乏生活だろw
金稼ぐためにモデル始めたんだし
256名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TwYSJ62802023/07/17(月) 18:27:07.66
ちゃんと仕事もしてるんだから一人で3人の面倒見るのはきついわな
金あるんだからシッター雇っていいんだよ
金あるんだからシッター雇っていいんだよ
257名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hIKUSW/u02023/07/17(月) 18:27:09.31
子供は母親が育てるものと思ってるジジババが退場しない限り、人に預けるのはOKというのが浸透しないだろうな
262名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jaM1T4Ik0
>>257
ジジババに預ければ良い
ジジババに預ければ良い
263名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jDboLrFk0
>>257
コレだよね
問題はお金が有る無しじゃないんだよ
他人に過干渉な高齢者
コレだよね
問題はお金が有る無しじゃないんだよ
他人に過干渉な高齢者
272名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:nd0Ps77K0
>>263
だろうね
シッターじつはそんなに高くない
どちらかというと他人に預けるなんて～というジジババや近所の目の問題
だろうね
シッターじつはそんなに高くない
どちらかというと他人に預けるなんて～というジジババや近所の目の問題
267名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rIu9rG+h02023/07/17(月) 18:29:26.39
爆笑しちゃうくらい卑屈の巣窟だなここｗ頑張りすぎて精神的に追い詰められちゃう子持ちに対していろんな人に頼ってって言ってるだけなのに
金がどうとか自分のレス見て恥ずかしくならないのかな？ならないんだろうなー。哀れすぎるぜ
金がどうとか自分のレス見て恥ずかしくならないのかな？ならないんだろうなー。哀れすぎるぜ
270名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1Yex+d0H02023/07/17(月) 18:30:38.18
この人は何でフランスに移住したの？
283名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lUejzpbb0
>>270
子供が大きくなってきたし東出の件で日本じゃイジメられるからだろ
子供が大きくなってきたし東出の件で日本じゃイジメられるからだろ
274名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Yu2hDAII02023/07/17(月) 18:31:45.71
老老介護もヤングケアラーも一人でやろうとするからいけないんだよな
介護は特に補助があるから一人で頑張る必要は全く無い
介護は特に補助があるから一人で頑張る必要は全く無い
278名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GvmlGbf902023/07/17(月) 18:33:08.40
金ある自慢？
279名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1Yex+d0H02023/07/17(月) 18:33:27.34
ベビーシッターが万が一タヒなせちゃったらとか家の中を漁られたりとか心配ないのかな？
多分監視カメラ的なものつけまくってるよね
多分監視カメラ的なものつけまくってるよね
282名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tO+BSTy40
>>279
そうだよ
そうだよ
280名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:RlL+Zoca02023/07/17(月) 18:33:37.21
子供の生命に関わるから送迎が必須な環境ってのは残念なことだね
288名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lUejzpbb0
>>280
その理屈じゃ幼稚園のバスも無理だな
その理屈じゃ幼稚園のバスも無理だな
313名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4VwZv06v0
>>288
徒歩で1人もしくは友人と通える安全があるのは恵まれたことだと感謝してるわ
徒歩で1人もしくは友人と通える安全があるのは恵まれたことだと感謝してるわ
281名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tO+BSTy402023/07/17(月) 18:33:57.19
高所得者かつ低賃金移民いるから出来る
日本の貧乏な若者じゃ無理
あとパリとかでもシッター代はそんなに安くない
日本の貧乏な若者じゃ無理
あとパリとかでもシッター代はそんなに安くない
285名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:J2jHiwzd02023/07/17(月) 18:34:50.02
俺もパリに住みたい
フランス語はB2レベルできる
フランス語はB2レベルできる
286名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:J2jHiwzd02023/07/17(月) 18:35:03.58
俺もパリに住みたい
フランス語はB2レベルできる
フランス語はB2レベルできる
287名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+xB73FTX02023/07/17(月) 18:35:23.58
んなこと説明されなくてもわかる 金がねえんだよ
290名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pD7YGAuG02023/07/17(月) 18:37:09.85
他人に任せて後悔しない人ならってこと
結局保育園とかでりんごのすりおろし食べさせられて子どもが死んだとき
自分がみていたらこんなことにはって思わないのかってこと
子どもがシッターに虐待されたり性的にいたずらされる可能性はないのか
なんで子どもの面倒みる人にだけ性善説が通用すると思うのかそこが不思議
声をあげられない年齢の子を任せるってハイリスク
293名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:D8dJ0eSE0
>>290
老害でしかない
老害でしかない
316名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pD7YGAuG0
>>293
老害とは？
1歳になる前の子を保育園にあずけて、うつぶせ寝だとか窒息で死んだら
親は後悔するという考え方が老害か？
老害とは？
1歳になる前の子を保育園にあずけて、うつぶせ寝だとか窒息で死んだら
親は後悔するという考え方が老害か？
そんな年齢から働かなければならない社会のほうがおかしい
321名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:D8dJ0eSE0
>>316
そういう極論を言って論議にならない人を老害という
そういう極論を言って論議にならない人を老害という
340名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kpvfvUi30
>>290
預けっぱなしじゃあるまいし何を言ってんだか
預けっぱなしじゃあるまいし何を言ってんだか
291名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cwdsLAfA02023/07/17(月) 18:37:15.47
日本でも金を使えば同じ待遇は可能だよ
問題はその金をひねり出せるかだな
問題はその金をひねり出せるかだな
292名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UMbMaIu702023/07/17(月) 18:37:41.71
一人で育児を背負い込んだなら
潰れる
あたりまえ体操
潰れる
あたりまえ体操
296名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1+5nQnLf02023/07/17(月) 18:39:44.80
シッターだって365日24時間いるわけじゃない
合間合間で頼めんだから馬鹿みたいに高額にならないだろ
なんで金の話になるんだ
合間合間で頼めんだから馬鹿みたいに高額にならないだろ
なんで金の話になるんだ
297名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:IV7q97VV0
>>296
ほんとそう
ほんとそう
298名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ryJXbUL/02023/07/17(月) 18:41:21.96
だから、いつでもワンポイントで頼めて時給1000円から1700円で国の免除があってフランス家庭の月平均２万七千円だって
イケるやんけ
イケるやんけ
299名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rf+gq9sD02023/07/17(月) 18:41:50.44
じゃあお金がない人はおばあちゃんこき使うの？
302名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:vuQRvIPq0
>>299
別に金が有っても無くても親に子供の面倒を頼む人は頼む
なにをそんな卑屈になってるんだ
別に金が有っても無くても親に子供の面倒を頼む人は頼む
なにをそんな卑屈になってるんだ
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