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パリ移住の3児の母・杏「私は一人では子育てしていない。無理です」「ベビーシッター頼んだりは当たり前」日本との育児環境の違いを説明

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150名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cRPH0Zb602023/07/17(月) 17:50:32.02
まずフランスではベビーシッターを一般家庭でも雇える金額なのかどうかが重要
153名無しさん@恐縮ですID:T/oLYjFP02023/07/17(月) 17:51:35.96
そもそも経済力が違い過ぎるんだから庶民とは別次元の話
154名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TUNTzQLk02023/07/17(月) 17:51:53.49
間違った情報をテレビで言うのはそれはそれで問題
155名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jHlpphAw02023/07/17(月) 17:52:28.33
日本だと周り五月蝿いからフランス行ったのかな?フランスって旅行とかなら行ってみたいしファッションはとても好きだけと住みたいとは一つも思えないなぁ。物価もプライドも高すぎる。
157名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pnTN6d8l02023/07/17(月) 17:52:37.15
等身バランスはいいかもしれないが、演技が下手だよ
女優は早く引退した方がいい
158名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZvGIa0qs02023/07/17(月) 17:53:37.57
いやー
フランスは住みたくないな
もうリスクしか残ってないよ
誰が被害にあってもおかしくない状況だし
160名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UnZ+HJdO02023/07/17(月) 17:53:42.31
日本はわざわざベビーシッターに小学生の子供の送り迎えさせなくてもいい安全な国だし、フランスより日本の方が子育て環境上じゃない?
161名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qon5pgYW02023/07/17(月) 17:53:47.46
仕事もしないといけないし 3人の面倒は大変だと思う

よくやってると思うよw

わたしからは以上だな ミカエル(悟ったもの)より

162名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kYyIE+5G02023/07/17(月) 17:53:52.25
前は杏みたいな良い嫁がいるのに不倫した東出はアホだなと思ってたが
今は若い女に行った東出の気持ちも何となくわかる
374名無しさん@恐縮ですID:e1uDwfht0
>>162
誰が相手だろうと浮気するだろ、あのアホは
むしろ相手が杏だからあれだけ持っただけで
164名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HiB3dXrD02023/07/17(月) 17:54:34.53
ベビーシッター頼んでも来るのは半年後だったりしてw
165名無しさん@恐縮ですID:y58XaZWb02023/07/17(月) 17:54:46.58
介護保険の育児版創設だな
そうすりゃ一般人も一割負担や三割負担でシッター雇えるようになる
167名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pnTN6d8l02023/07/17(月) 17:56:15.36
フランス人と結婚したわけでもないのに
縁もゆかりもないフランスに住むのはおかしいでしょう?
175名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pzOqZomX0
>>167
仕事は日本の仕事にしがみついてるくせにね。カッコつけて日本から出るなよって思うわ
191名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EGuP69/r0
>>167
辻仁成さんとひろゆきさんの事は、スルーしてあげて下さい
210名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eFjjX0HQ0
>>191
辻仁成はフランス政府から文化賞的なの受賞してなかったっけ?
それで滞在できるんだと思ってるけど、ぴろしきは何かあるのかな??
223名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1f3Gr73S0
>>191
辻仁成の本は向こうで売れてるぞ
訳が良いというのは聞いたことあるがw
しかも何故かミュージシャンとしても需要あるらしい
168名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+uYc8o2f02023/07/17(月) 17:56:26.95
両親がいてもひとり親でも誰かに頼るという考えが普通になれば良いのに
金を出さなくても親戚同士で子供の面倒を見ていたり、隣近所で子供の面倒みたり
誰かに頼る=シッターに預けるしかいないという考えしか出来ないのはどうかと思う
169名無しさん@恐縮ですID:n0WcmuiU02023/07/17(月) 17:56:30.78
小学校の頃の同級生たちでキングダムロケ地近くでキングダム合宿して子供見てもらったとか言ってたけどどんだけ人望あるのよ
小学校の友達なんて一人しか連絡先知らんわ
170名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pzOqZomX02023/07/17(月) 17:56:45.65
世界遺産のナレーション辞めてほしい
171名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TUNTzQLk02023/07/17(月) 17:57:00.60
物を盗まれたとか色々と問題もおおいと思うけどそこら辺はどうなのだろうなフランスでは
172名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ox49JpBl02023/07/17(月) 17:57:42.83
誰コイツ?
173名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sS9Idjv702023/07/17(月) 17:58:21.35
ジャップまんこの現実は大して生産性の高い仕事してる訳でもなく行政とかに子供押し付けて(保育園)で自分は小銭稼いで保育所ガー逝ってるだけだからなw

アメリカとか保育所に預けるだけで月9万とか平気で取られる
てかフツーにフルタイム働いているママはベビーシッターとか別口で雇うのが当たり前の世界
ジャップまんこが如何に甘えているかが判るだろう

174名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pnTN6d8l02023/07/17(月) 17:58:29.19
フランスで女優をやるわけでもない・・・
何も仕事をしていない・・・
育児もしない・・・
何やってるんだ?不法滞在?
200名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eFjjX0HQ0
>>174
モデル復帰で欧州のファッションウィークに再挑戦するでもなく・・・

冨永愛とのツーショットでに公開処刑されてたのはびっくりした
昔アジア人差別云々を理由に海外のショーモデル辞めてすぐ帰国してたけど、
ありゃ差別とは別に、体型体格であれこれ言われるのも当然かと妙に納得した

176名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UnZ+HJdO02023/07/17(月) 17:58:48.69
半年以上も雨漏りのするめちゃくちゃな家に住むのも嫌だよね
ハワイに住んでる人もよく住宅修繕関係でトラブル多くて困ると言ってたし、やっぱり暮らすには日本って最高だよね~
193名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EGuP69/r0
>>176
大工技術を身に着けて行けば最強だなww
177名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5rVYrdDp02023/07/17(月) 17:58:55.42
やっぱこの女も女で頭おかしいんやなって
芸能人やる奴ってやっぱ頭おかしいんやなって
東出よりも頭おかしいんやなって
379名無しさん@恐縮ですID:MO7ntWnE0
>>177
でっくんなんて子供3人と犬2匹が家の中を駆けずり回って
嫁がそれに振り回されていてもガン無視で将棋の本を読んでるあたおかだぞ
178名無しさん@恐縮ですID:BusFQJm002023/07/17(月) 17:59:28.11
>「半年前にあった(雨漏りの)工事がやっと来て、

日本の大工さんや修理屋さん進出したら?
言語の壁があるけど

183名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TUNTzQLk0
>>178
資格かなんか必要なんじゃね国によってはだが
179名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zIIktcqB02023/07/17(月) 17:59:29.57
数年後、日本に帰国して子供が日本の学校に行くも馴染めなかったりしたら、日本の学校教育を批判するんだろうね
180名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TEhvbe9E02023/07/17(月) 18:00:51.29
どうでもよいが馬鹿は子供作るな
一時の快楽のため残された子供がかわいそうだ
214名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1zkdUBVN0
>>180
東出に言えよw
268名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6B5pfb9V0
>>180
気にすんなwww。
181名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VI4AQwCy02023/07/17(月) 18:01:23.95
佐々木希の好感度上がるばかり
182名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VI4AQwCy02023/07/17(月) 18:02:06.34
金持ちだから
184名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4ynJWjLB02023/07/17(月) 18:02:27.96
なぜこのスレで杏さんは叩かれているのかがわからない
225名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1zkdUBVN0
>>184
可哀想な人生送ってる人達が自分の人生の不満をぶつけてるだけだろうね
240名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HBUOJimE0
>>184
自分が子育てに向いてないだけなのに日本遅れてるみたいな発言しとるからや
245名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eObzLX9b0
>>240
僻みすぎ
254名無しさん@恐縮ですID:iu49q6Nn0
>>240
はい、始まった
少し他人の手を借りると「子育てに向いてない」と批判
仕事しながら100%ワンオペしなきゃこう言われんだよな
そら、日本は生きづらいわ
269名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7x0wYz0U0
>>240
ある部分では遅れてるのは確かな事実だろ
働け!家事育児もしろ!でもそれに対する社会システムはまだ未熟
子供が具合悪くても職場に頭下げて迎えに来るのは母親ばかり
PTAも町内会の細かい仕事も母親
そんな中ではまともに働けないわな
185名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VI4AQwCy02023/07/17(月) 18:02:43.34
ひろゆきに預けろ
186名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4tuVESnn02023/07/17(月) 18:02:51.80
子育てどうこうよりも工事頼んだら半年後にようやく来て、この話の日も工事サボったとかの方がやべーわ
日本で正解過ぎる
187名無しさん@恐縮ですID:p+mq7yxF02023/07/17(月) 18:02:53.17
ベビーシッター他人なんか信用できないから自分でする
日本はシッターとか根付くのかな
197名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HLxRve0b0
>>187
昭和の前半までは金持ちは乳母雇ってたよ
旧制中学から宮廷一工行くようなのは家庭教師つけてビシバシ
188名無しさん@恐縮ですID:USyYsxvi02023/07/17(月) 18:02:57.11
ベビーシッターってそれ移民ありきじゃん
189名無しさん@恐縮ですID:F/CJwVvb02023/07/17(月) 18:03:34.46
そのうち欧米左翼から現代の奴隷制度と批判されそうw
欧米左翼のガイキチ度はやばいからな
ネタ見つけてはポリコレLGTBあらゆる人種と性別で無意味な戦いしてる
215名無しさん@恐縮ですID:AX2oVSXV0
>>189
むしろ欧米出羽守たちが絶賛する育児制度が
誰かの犠牲があって初めて成り立つ
歪な制度だって批判してるのは右派文脈だと
190名無しさん@恐縮ですID:p34asW4t02023/07/17(月) 18:03:44.51
フランカスのほとんどはそんなの頼まない
192名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7g6ae0gO02023/07/17(月) 18:05:33.66
工事の話は日本以外はそんなもんなんだろうな…
194名無しさん@恐縮ですID:x7SMEAAf02023/07/17(月) 18:06:05.38
でも子育てに手がまわらないシッターさんはシッターさんを雇ったりできないもんね
195名無しさん@恐縮ですID:B59Uel5h02023/07/17(月) 18:07:12.21
シッターはすっぽかしたりしないの
196名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tZlVNKRT02023/07/17(月) 18:07:18.47
旦那に不倫されるような女が何言っても説得力ないよね
198名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+fOyLDlV02023/07/17(月) 18:07:38.23
ベビー叱咤「このクソガキがぁーッ!!」
199名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PHWvSfWc02023/07/17(月) 18:08:19.17
おフランスに行く芸能人ってパリにしか住まないんだよなw
中村江里子なんかパリ以外の都市にろくに行ったことすらないって露見してる
リヨンやマルセイユ、コルシカ島に住む奴なんか聞いたことない
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