100名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:BU3sz5mp02023/07/17(月) 17:36:19.47
俺もヨーロッパ住みてー
子供が小学校上がる歳なったらミュンヘンかロンドンで働きながら住みたい！
3、4年で帰って来るけど
子供が小学校上がる歳なったらミュンヘンかロンドンで働きながら住みたい！
3、4年で帰って来るけど
117名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/MWQ47qS0
>>100
正直日本で生まれ育った人、特に都会育ちには退屈だぞ
金あるなら麻布十番とかに住むのが良いと思う
正直日本で生まれ育った人、特に都会育ちには退屈だぞ
金あるなら麻布十番とかに住むのが良いと思う
163名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bIzIRS1L0
>>100
ヨーロッパは金持ち階層の仲間入りしないと、子供はこそ泥になるか薬中になるかどっちかだろ
もちろんまともな学力も身につけられない
ヨーロッパは金持ち階層の仲間入りしないと、子供はこそ泥になるか薬中になるかどっちかだろ
もちろんまともな学力も身につけられない
101名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oaFt8bqV02023/07/17(月) 17:36:55.04
そんな日本より素晴らしい育児環境で育ったフランス人は日本より犯罪も多く治安は悪い。
経済も世界的な大企業は日本より少なく、ベンチャー企業も少ない
経済も世界的な大企業は日本より少なく、ベンチャー企業も少ない
素晴らしいフランスだね
103名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tqU7w6E302023/07/17(月) 17:37:54.77
変なプライドで凝り固まってる人は大変そうだね
106名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kbw3DaMQ02023/07/17(月) 17:38:42.10
フランスの暮らしの方がめちゃめちゃ大変そうだけど
言いたいことは日本人のお母さんは頑張り過ぎなんだな
うーん
言いたいことは日本人のお母さんは頑張り過ぎなんだな
うーん
107名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TEhvbe9E02023/07/17(月) 17:38:59.50
ベビーシッターに丸投
子供には既に愛情は無く次の子づくりへ、パコパコママ（笑）
子供には既に愛情は無く次の子づくりへ、パコパコママ（笑）
265名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6B5pfb9V0
>>107
気にすんなwww。
気にすんなwww。
109名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pW3hTLw+02023/07/17(月) 17:39:24.23
工事依頼して半年放置は許せない
自由とは何かね
自由とは何かね
110名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9IoPwzx+02023/07/17(月) 17:39:51.40
金ねーし。
111名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:agz3zquL02023/07/17(月) 17:39:58.68
日本だと雇うとなると
費用が大変だろ
費用が大変だろ
112名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Jst7qKlf02023/07/17(月) 17:40:33.80
こういうのをすぐ自由だのなんだの言うの嫌いだわ
しかも絶対文句いいそうなタイプのやつに限ってそういうことを言う
しかも絶対文句いいそうなタイプのやつに限ってそういうことを言う
114名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kYyIE+5G02023/07/17(月) 17:40:46.72
何か女版ひろゆきになってきたなこの人
159名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gZiXTIxM0
>>114
フランスに移住する杏が
YouTuberに’栄転’と
フランス行く前から報道されてた時点で
メディアも日本人に向けて売るつもり
フランス観光局もこの手の人たちに
宣伝させるから
フランスに移住する杏が
YouTuberに’栄転’と
フランス行く前から報道されてた時点で
メディアも日本人に向けて売るつもり
フランス観光局もこの手の人たちに
宣伝させるから
116名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:AjEjTJEY02023/07/17(月) 17:41:45.57
なんか日本の母親に媚びてるつもりなんだろうけど、ずれてるね
118名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:12zlfaXz02023/07/17(月) 17:42:25.68
日本のほうが楽だろ
送迎もいらないし子供だけで留守番させてても虐待って言われないし
子供なんて勝手に育つが日本だぞ
送迎もいらないし子供だけで留守番させてても虐待って言われないし
子供なんて勝手に育つが日本だぞ
119名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bKZzGF5k02023/07/17(月) 17:43:28.53
＞日本は本当に思う。お母さんに押しつけすぎだよね、すべてを
日本はって？社会全体が一方的に押し付けてるとはまったく思わないけど？
120名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2pB/beH/02023/07/17(月) 17:43:35.12
？？子供の父親と協力して子育てすれば良いじゃん
125名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:SDzdmX770
>>120
日本人男の育児時間1日15分で他人事だからアテにならん
日本人男の育児時間1日15分で他人事だからアテにならん
139名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xiK8qMRo0
>>125
じゃあ代わりに女性働いてくれ
ちゃんと男性並みに働いて稼いでくれよ
あと育児も半々でしっかりやれよ
じゃあ代わりに女性働いてくれ
ちゃんと男性並みに働いて稼いでくれよ
あと育児も半々でしっかりやれよ
166名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MA519YXN0
>>139
何いってんだ？低収入男が増えて共働きが当たり前なんだが…
その上で家事育児の割合が男の方が圧倒的に少ないのが問題になってるだろ
何も知らないんだな
子供が体調悪くなって迎えに行くのも母親ばかりだから子供が小さい頃は働くのも難しい
日本社会の問題でもある
何いってんだ？低収入男が増えて共働きが当たり前なんだが…
その上で家事育児の割合が男の方が圧倒的に少ないのが問題になってるだろ
何も知らないんだな
子供が体調悪くなって迎えに行くのも母親ばかりだから子供が小さい頃は働くのも難しい
日本社会の問題でもある
121名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:BBg/oRmR02023/07/17(月) 17:43:40.49
ベビーシッターも『ワシが育てた分は進路に口出しさせてもらうで』って時代がくるかもな
122名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wy7wvaKK02023/07/17(月) 17:43:48.23
日本とフランスの違いではなくベビーシッターを雇える金を持っているかどうかの違いです
123名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ulRoT7fN02023/07/17(月) 17:43:50.07
金があればできるやろな
126名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TUNTzQLk02023/07/17(月) 17:45:28.70
まず当然とか今のフランス見ても納得できないんだが食うものにも困ってる人達が当然のようにシッター雇ってるのか？
127名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oFaodrDg02023/07/17(月) 17:45:41.42
コイツは何でパリにいるんだ？
で、何で日本で仕事してんだ？
で、何で日本で仕事してんだ？
128名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A0ROTpUw02023/07/17(月) 17:46:00.94
シッターに育児してもらってる間
フランスでどんな仕事してんの？
フランスでどんな仕事してんの？
130名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tfDOvZYq02023/07/17(月) 17:46:15.96
命の母「それでいい」
133名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:SB151/mu02023/07/17(月) 17:46:42.91
ベビーシッターにいくら払ってるか書けよ
134名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:j107k29L02023/07/17(月) 17:46:46.56
おフランスで働いてるの？
135名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6To/kImg02023/07/17(月) 17:47:09.59
国と国との育児環境の違いってより金持ちかそうでないかの違いでは…
143名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TUNTzQLk0
>>135
俺もこっちだと思うんだが実際どうなんだろうな
俺もこっちだと思うんだが実際どうなんだろうな
136名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KQzh2zRJ02023/07/17(月) 17:47:16.85
半年前に頼んだ雨漏りの修理がようやく来たって
フランスって過酷すぎないか、日本では１週間待たされたら
ブチ切れる所だもんな、フランスのイメージはカッコいいけど
日本は日本人が思ってるよりかなり 国全体のクオリティが高いよな
フランスって過酷すぎないか、日本では１週間待たされたら
ブチ切れる所だもんな、フランスのイメージはカッコいいけど
日本は日本人が思ってるよりかなり 国全体のクオリティが高いよな
147名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mjDphskU0
>>136
海外に出てそれに気づいちゃって引っ込みつかない人が
杏みたいなこと言いだすんだよね
海外に出てそれに気づいちゃって引っ込みつかない人が
杏みたいなこと言いだすんだよね
206名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:V5/Bevb40
>>136
もう少し緩く適当に生きたい人間には息苦しいくて生きづらい
警察がコンビニでジュース買ったらクレームが入る異様な国だし
しかも高クオリティな仕事を低賃金で当たり前のように要求される奴隷労働搾取国家だし
まぁ何事にも良い面の裏には悪い面が存在してる
もう少し緩く適当に生きたい人間には息苦しいくて生きづらい
警察がコンビニでジュース買ったらクレームが入る異様な国だし
しかも高クオリティな仕事を低賃金で当たり前のように要求される奴隷労働搾取国家だし
まぁ何事にも良い面の裏には悪い面が存在してる
252名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/PZgvNfc0
>>136
日本はどんな外国人が来ても大抵驚くくらい高クオリティの仕事をするけどあまりの対価の低さにも驚かれる
つまり働いても働いても賃金で報われない仕事を奴隷のように生真面目にこなしてる
これが良いことなのかは非常に微妙な話
どちらかといえば日本人全員で損してて不幸なんじゃね？
日本はどんな外国人が来ても大抵驚くくらい高クオリティの仕事をするけどあまりの対価の低さにも驚かれる
つまり働いても働いても賃金で報われない仕事を奴隷のように生真面目にこなしてる
これが良いことなのかは非常に微妙な話
どちらかといえば日本人全員で損してて不幸なんじゃね？
388名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iiRUiNtm0
>>136
イギリスは歯医者の予約取れないから海外で治療してる
イギリスは歯医者の予約取れないから海外で治療してる
137名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TEhvbe9E02023/07/17(月) 17:47:57.04
パコパコはどうでもいい
子宮は腐っておる
子供がかわいそうだ
子宮は腐っておる
子供がかわいそうだ
266名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6B5pfb9V0
>>137
気にすんなwww。
気にすんなwww。
138名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kTjqx69L02023/07/17(月) 17:48:38.52
子供となんの関わりもなく想像もできませんと読み取れるレス大杉な
バレバレだぞ
バレバレだぞ
140名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NeA4kJ7302023/07/17(月) 17:48:42.97
日本だってフランスだってお金がない人は無理でしょ
144名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lqjVxrd602023/07/17(月) 17:49:41.30
女優からパリ暮らし自慢のインフルエンサーに転身て、格落ちだと思う
もともと親の七光りで女優になれただけで演技下手だったけどね
高身長だけが取り柄の華もない、なんで女優やれてるのか謎の人
もともと親の七光りで女優になれただけで演技下手だったけどね
高身長だけが取り柄の華もない、なんで女優やれてるのか謎の人
156名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sHaOG+nh0
>>144
そうはいうけど七光でも兄は売れてないじゃん
そうはいうけど七光でも兄は売れてないじゃん
360名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gDjzwlIX0
>>144
朝ドラに出るより父親のコネでハリウッドデビューの方が成功したかもね
朝ドラに出るより父親のコネでハリウッドデビューの方が成功したかもね
145名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WK6HNZ1b02023/07/17(月) 17:49:49.49
日本でも金払えばできるわ糞が
146名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:SB151/mu02023/07/17(月) 17:49:53.23
杏は天然ボケだからな
酷すぎて旦那にも捨てられた
酷すぎて旦那にも捨てられた
148名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pnTN6d8l02023/07/17(月) 17:50:03.85
フランスに逃げても東出に浮気された惨めな女という事実は消えることがない
149名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:BMBdYoi+02023/07/17(月) 17:50:30.57
パリ在住貧困移民の子育て環境はどうなのか教えてくれないかな？パリで暮らしてる杏さんならよくご存知だと思うが。
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