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パリ移住の3児の母・杏「私は一人では子育てしていない。無理です」「ベビーシッター頼んだりは当たり前」日本との育児環境の違いを説明

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1muffin ★ID:xnPjyNAe92023/07/17(月) 17:04:46.01
https://hochi.news/articles/20230716-OHT1T51191.html?page=1
2023年7月16日 19時30分

フランス・パリ在住の女優・杏が15日放送の日本テレビ系「マツコ会議」(土曜・午後11時)に出演した。異国に拠点を移して9か月、3児の母として奮闘する様子が伺えた。

パリでの生活について「半年前にあった(雨漏りの)工事がやっと来て、(部屋の)マットレスなど外して家がめちゃくちゃな状態ではある。子どもたちも学校に行ったりして、生活のサイクルが出来始めてきて、ようやくスタートラインに立った気がする」と語った。

MCのマツコ・デラックスは「サラっと今、みんな聞いてたけど、半年前に頼んだ工事がやっと来たって。自由なのよ、自由の国だから」と驚いた。杏は「半年ははるかに越えています。(工事は)今日もすっぽかされたみたいです」と淡々した様子だった。

3人の子育てをしながらの生活は「私自身の力でなんとかしているのではなくて、いろんな人を頼りに頼って、のたうち回っていろんな人にすがって生きている」と本音を吐露。「『3人子どもがいてスゴイね』とたまに言っていただくこともあるんですけど、お母さん、人の手を頼りましょう!私は一人では子育てしていません。できません。無理です。これは声を大にして言いたいです」とモニター越しに呼びかけた。

日本との育児環境の違いについて「日本のお母さんは頑張りすぎなところがある。こっちはベビーシッターが送り迎えする。中学生に上がるまでは必ず送迎が必要。それもいろんな人に頼ったり、ベビーシッター頼んだりは当たり前の光景」と説明した。

マツコも「日本は本当に思う。お母さんに押しつけすぎだよね、すべてを。あれじゃ、働きながら子供を産もうなんて簡単に思えない」と共感。杏は「根本的な意識ですね」とうなずいた。

引用元:https://hayabusa9.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/mnewsplus/1689581086/

53名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TEhvbe9E0
>>1
子供がかわいそうだ
261名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6B5pfb9V0
>>53
気にすんなwww。
56名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TEhvbe9E0
>>1
子供の可哀想
312名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DSQHhkW60
>>56
変な日本語
91名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YtzJOizf0
>>1
日本の家事育児怠けママどもはフランスに行けよ
124名無しさん@恐縮ですID:I7mu2kPC0
>>1
文化の違いであって
偉大な日本人なら
子供に手作りの料理を食べさせるのが当り前なのに
最近の女はコンビニ飯やスーパーの惣菜を子供に与えていて驚愕している
そのせいか発達障害や犯罪者になる子供が増えていると思われる

すべては母親の手抜きによるものである
反省して昔の日本を見習い子供のためだけに時間を費やすべである

152名無しさん@恐縮ですID:43YgGCPV0
>>1
こういうネガティブなイメージを印象づけることによって、未婚者や若年層に子育ては大変なんだという極端な印象を持たせてしまう
234名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7xZnLjcY0
>>1
昔は親世代と同居するか親世代が徒歩圏内にいて育児や家事を助け合ってきたけど、
いまは若い人が都市部へ移住してそういう助け合いが無くなったから
シングルマザーの育児がワンオペのような状態になってしまうんだよ。

日本医必要なのは、都市部に住むことをデメリットすること。
都市部居住者には特別な税を課し、地方部へそのお金を配ることだよ。

238名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wp4hNTtM0
>>234
東京に移住するシングルマザーが多いけど田舎よりひとり親家庭への援助が手厚いからだよ
田舎は年寄りへの福祉ばかり
251名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7xZnLjcY0
>>238
人口の三分の一が65歳以上の高齢者で、
障碍者や未成年を含む二人で一人の高齢者の生活を支えている日本では、
行政の高齢者補助と育児補助は両立できないよ。

両立できないので勤労していない高齢者が育児や町内会などの労務コストを担うべきで、
それを邪魔する核家族化を推進する都市部に住むことには特別な税を課すべきだよ。

271名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XAk0Uhwu0
>>251
田舎者のやっかみみたいなことかくなよ
どこに住もうが自由だろう
253名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GyW9AqIs0
>>234
無知だねぇw
現状すでに都民税とかが地方に流れてるんだけどね。
235名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3EdfMRcy0
>>1
そんなこと言わなければいいのに
275名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LbZ8NwLe0
>>1
いやあんさん、それベビーシッターやらお手伝いさんにいくら払ってはりますのん?それ言わないで一方的なこと言わんときや。そいつらに月2、30万払ってんなら、それ単なる金持ちの自慢話やんけ
284名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/YDsV/mF0
>>275
いつでもワンポイントで頼めて時給1000円から1700円で国の免除があってフランスの月平均2万七千円だってさ
まあ金持ちはもっと金かけれるから使用頻度は高いのかもしれんが
289名無しさん@恐縮ですID:LbZ8NwLe0
>>1
いやあんさん、それベビーシッターやらお手伝いさんにいくら払ってはりますのん?それ言わないで一方的なこと言わんときや。そいつらに月2、30万払ってんなら、それ単なる金持ちの自慢話やんけ
305名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jula7ETe0
>>289
短時間でそんなに払ってもらえるの?
それならフランスは子供の世話してくれる人も人材に困らないね
330名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+yR0/Oix0
>>1
マツコは素晴らしいな
368名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0sLtcb2h0
>>1
金持ちの話なんて一般庶民は薄ら笑い浮かべながら聞いてるよね
398名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mLVza9mU0
まぁ、コイツは親父も大概やしな…あんま参考にはならへんわ…>>1
426名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GQh+LYCK0
>>1
どーせフランス人に殴られてむせび泣いて帰ってくるやろ
438名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3yR9FIqZ0
>>1

日本では、姑に手伝ってもらえる

441名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fr18D9gv0
>>438
ジージも凄い戦力だよ
子どもの遊びの付き合いなんかはバアバよりよっぽど粘り強い
さすが元社畜って思う
478名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tdO58PJL0
>>441
ウチは俺側のジジババが孫に殆ど興味がない。連れてくと最初は喜ぶけど2時間も経つと帰ってほしいオーラ凄い出してくる。貧乏だから70過ぎて働いてるってのも有るけど、孫の誕生日に何かくれる訳でも無いし残念だわ。
嫁側の爺さんも遊んだりは一切してくれないけどランドセルとか全部カネ出してくれたからホントに助かった。
2名無しさん@恐縮ですID:42Ca25AM02023/07/17(月) 17:05:14.95
暴動について何かコメントしてた?
141名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gZiXTIxM0
>>2
なんか暴動の最中
ヤフー・ニュース御用達の芸能人やってたな
イタリアで渡部健と親子
ツーショット写真のせて
素敵すぎるとか絶賛するタイトルついてた
記事は読まなかったから知らないけど
3名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tbjl1e+x02023/07/17(月) 17:06:56.48
パリではあの透け透けのシースルーの服を普段から着てるんかな
4名無しさん@恐縮ですID:xKjJfEuH02023/07/17(月) 17:07:43.81
おフランス住んで日本馬鹿にしてええ
21名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/ud241qh0
>>4
海外持ち上げて日本落とすアホも多いけど
杏はそんなんしてなかったぞ
380名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UEqe2Dut0
>>4
ひろゆき枠を増やすな
5名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Phzo5HQl02023/07/17(月) 17:07:59.10
無理だと断定してかかっているのも見苦しさしか覚えない
102名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Ko57UKis0
>>5
いかにも子なしこどおじのセリフ
132名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jHlpphAw0
>>102
わかるwやばいわw
6名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NmtDr86Y02023/07/17(月) 17:08:06.45
金があるからできること
17名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EGuP69/r0
>>6
そこよね。
あんただからできる事。
金があれば、今日出前、寿司たのんじゃおうかとか簡単にできるけど、金がなければ
米を研いで、炊いて、おかず作って、食わせて、皿を洗わないとならんのだよ。
22名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HWDgA9pe0
>>17
そんな怒らんでもw
277名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4Y8MPj5m0
>>17
それやん
俺の母ちゃんは働きながら6人の子どもを育ててくれた
自営業の父ちゃんも働き者だったが子育てにはノータッチだった
天国の母ちゃん…ありがとう
295名無しさん@恐縮ですID:K9IMniPM0
>>277
とても立派だけど、めちゃくちゃ大変なことには変わりないから、その苦労をお前らもやれ!というのはまた違うけどね
昔の母ちゃんはこき使われすぎて過労で倒れたり産みすぎて死んだりする人も多かったわけだし
311名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4Y8MPj5m0
>>295
せやで
俺ん家は特に金持ちじゃなかったから母ちゃんひとりが無理してただけで
だからその分兄弟みんな後悔のほうが強いで
108名無しさん@恐縮ですID:75MXuLDW0
>>6
ほんそれ
おふらんすに来た難民が欠片も救われ無かったせいで
暴徒と化した事を掘り下げろと
142名無しさん@恐縮ですID:p1n9zmXd0
>>108
難民が救われないのは当たり前
欧米の生活は楽そうだし
行けば国が上げ膳据え膳してくれると思って難民して来たんだからな
7名無しさん@恐縮ですID:S5vLHr2p02023/07/17(月) 17:08:17.83
他人に甘えるな
幼い子ども3人を1人で富士登山に連れて行く母親だっているんだぞ
151名無しさん@恐縮ですID:vHobRM3e0
>>7
救急呼んでるやん
8名無しさん@恐縮ですID:S5vLHr2p02023/07/17(月) 17:08:17.83
他人に甘えるな
幼い子ども3人を1人で富士登山に連れて行く母親だっているんだぞ
9名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HssNAt0Z02023/07/17(月) 17:08:29.54
そういやクロン暴動ってまだやってんの?
10名無しさん@恐縮ですID:19+LWaG+02023/07/17(月) 17:08:54.58
発言は注意しろ
普通の人はベビーシッターなんか雇えないぞ
一般人とは違うのよって感じ見せたらマイナスだよ
たとえ雇ってても言わないほうがええ
16名無しさん@恐縮ですID:42Ca25AM0
>>10
この書き方だと数時間だけお願いするとかじゃね
常勤だと金掛かるけどさ
23名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EGuP69/r0
>>16
この人は、常勤だろうが、数時間だろうが、よゆーで金払えるんだろ?
番組みてないけど、マツコはそこに言及したの?嫌味でも皮肉でも、杏さんみたい
高収入だからできる事だよねーみたいな。
38名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HWDgA9pe0
>>23
落ち着けってw
99名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+Geef3cW0
>>23
マツコ、本人前にしたら言わないけど、裏でスタッフとめっちゃ言ってそうだな
391名無しさん@恐縮ですID:iPeB5Nv00
>>23
マツコも金持ちなんだから番組中で言うならともかく、
低賃金のスタッフに陰で言うなんて無いでしょ
95名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DDBiEPl70
>>10
都内に住んでるけど、自分の周りの共働きの人は普通に家事一部外注したりシッター活用したりしてる
ちなみに子ども公立に通わせてる一般家庭の層
こういう批判する人って、子育て終わって情報が少ない世代なのか、本当は子育てした事ない人?
それとも周りにそういうサービスがない地域に住んでるとかなのかな
113名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GpCNVpcW0
>>95
産まれて訪問した保健師さんとかが紹介してくれる2000円/Hくらいのやつ?
うちは使わずって感じだったが使い勝手いい?
207名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1zkdUBVN0
>>10
あれだけ苦労してんだから今稼げてるなら良かったねとしか思わんけどなあ
370名無しさん@恐縮ですID:g0MOBMqG0
>>10>>52
本日のほんとこれ
375名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wjB0mI+z0
>>10
なんか性格悪いなあんた
11名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HRK0dJdD02023/07/17(月) 17:09:08.06
さあ、好きな杏を選ぶがいい

杏、鈴木杏、山田杏奈、石井杏奈、石橋杏奈、入山杏奈、ついひじ杏奈、鈴木杏樹、杏里、坂口杏里、杏子、有安杏果、近江谷杏菜、(柴田)杏花、

15名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jlVZjMgV0
>>11
石井杏奈
12名無しさん@恐縮ですID:J66pVRuW02023/07/17(月) 17:09:10.98
で?そのベビーシッターはいくらかかるの?日本の介護ホームみたいな安い給料で雇って無いよね?
13名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fLmN+jCE02023/07/17(月) 17:09:22.30
お国柄がどうこうより、金持ってるかどうかの差の方が大きそうなんだが
14名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CKl5m6n102023/07/17(月) 17:09:35.31
3人以上なんてタレントとか富裕層か生保世帯しか無理だろ
18名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DinYgIBE02023/07/17(月) 17:11:13.88
日本でもベビーシッター頼めば良くね?
19名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HWDgA9pe02023/07/17(月) 17:12:18.76
シッターもいいけど7:00~6:30まで預けられる保育園の方がありがたい
334名無しさん@恐縮ですID:q2T41JJg0
>>19
保育士さんはもっと優遇されていい
いやされるべき
20名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6c/Q3kd602023/07/17(月) 17:12:21.52
東出に捨てられた女
この程度の顔でテレビに出れたのがまずおかしいんだけどね
361名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OYKJ13gk0
>>20
実際には自分が捨てられる側になるとは思わなかったんだろうな、でっくんw
やり直そうとして離婚調停中に家に侵入とかバカなやつww
24名無しさん@恐縮ですID:535lDzkL02023/07/17(月) 17:14:19.78
まさかシッター雇ってることで叩かれてるの?
りゅうちぇるの件といい、子育て関係の中傷は際限ないなあ。
55名無しさん@恐縮ですID:w8rQKcNa0
>>24
パンがないならケーキ食べればいい
的な発言になりかねない
ベビーシッター代金を知らないとなんとも言えない
273名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qWEMchJJ0
>>55
そんなこと言ってないはずだけど被害妄想してムキーッ!とファビョるんだろう
25名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PkwBlujt02023/07/17(月) 17:14:27.10
うぜえ
26名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9H5SXTSr02023/07/17(月) 17:14:32.21
子供おいてパパとイタリア旅行してんだもんね
27名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yJC7e0qh02023/07/17(月) 17:14:35.74
ここで切れてる奴子供いるのか?
28名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1lzqsmiT02023/07/17(月) 17:14:43.61
金持ちの2世の戯言
29名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FoaePfKa02023/07/17(月) 17:15:18.19
フランスって学校行事に親の参加や面談もないみたいな事聞いたことあるが
送り迎えはさせるんか
そっちの方がキツいやないか
32名無しさん@恐縮ですID:42Ca25AM0
>>29
それは必須よ
自分らで行かせたら速攻誘拐されてしまう
46名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FoaePfKa0
>>32>>33
親参加がないから働く親に優しいとか言ってたけど、
送り迎えの方が大変やな
104名無しさん@恐縮ですID:M7yWVOUY0
>>32
子供が誘拐させられる環境とか絶対に嫌だわ
241名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/ISMfszj0
>>104
世界ではそっちの方が多いんじゃね
1人で登下校の方が珍しい
403名無しさん@恐縮ですID:BlXEpPbP0
>>104
でもデンマークとか北欧だとベビーカー乗せたまま
赤ちゃんだけ店外でも普通なんだよなあ
33名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EGuP69/r0
>>29
送り迎えしないと、誘拐とかされるんじゃね?知らんけど。
35名無しさん@恐縮ですID:mjDphskU0
>>29
海外は送迎に大人がついてなきゃダメなのは普通じゃね
日本みたいに「はじめてのお使い」なんてさせたら逮捕されるくらいだろ
30名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NESNl6BK02023/07/17(月) 17:15:56.29
金ありゃ別にいいと思うぞ
31名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fd1HzCwn02023/07/17(月) 17:15:58.75
日本に来て仕事してる間はベビーシッターに育児してもらってるのか
めっちゃ金かかりそう
34名無しさん@恐縮ですID:iiRUiNtm02023/07/17(月) 17:16:23.75
欧米では移民に低賃金で家事や育児を押し付けています
36名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zk0EZsmb02023/07/17(月) 17:16:48.81
よくそんな治安の悪いところで子育てしようと思うなあ
日本の田舎でいいやんけ
なんか嫌味だよな
105名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wRpRMIgQ0
>>36
日本のイナカ者どもは、よそ者の金持ちを敵視するから杏一家みたいのが移住するのは危険ですが!
(ソースは『山形マット巻殺人事件』)
37名無しさん@恐縮ですID:aOpV677902023/07/17(月) 17:16:52.48
でも稼ぎは日本しかありません
39名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fmipQnw502023/07/17(月) 17:17:31.98
姑と同居しろよ
40名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PX2ORKfl02023/07/17(月) 17:18:07.11
金づるありゃそうかもな
490名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gZiXTIxM0
>>40
日本人が金づる
フランス宣伝して金もうけ
41名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zk0EZsmb02023/07/17(月) 17:18:07.97
根本的になんであんな人種差別激しくて移民問題あってしょっちゅう暴動の起きる国に子供連れて住もうと思うんだろう
49名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EGuP69/r0
>>41
ひろゆきが、生配信してて、差別なんてされませんよー言ってたら、思いっきり
差別されたってな。
42名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VDpikCvK02023/07/17(月) 17:18:20.75
金ある奴はどんどんそうしていけ
43名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zk0EZsmb02023/07/17(月) 17:18:43.77
3人の子供を危険に晒してなにがしたいねん
44名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cYp9xKnd02023/07/17(月) 17:19:01.77
女って他人の子育てに厳しいよね
54名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GlQJcosU0
>>44
自分の子育てを避難されるのが怖いから攻撃的になってるよねw
58名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yJC7e0qh0
>>54
なるほど
単純な嫉妬だけじゃないんだな
317名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IPrU2F/m0
>>44
まるで男が女を攻撃してないかのような物言いをしよるな
336名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+yR0/Oix0
>>317
それなwww
電車にベビーカー持ち込んだだけで狭いだの何だの文句言う心の狭いオスだらけなのにね
345名無しさん@恐縮ですID:y63IHGnL0
>>336
まさにそれ
助けてくれるのはいつもオバちゃんや女性ばかり
男で親切なのはごく一部、あとは我関せずと難癖つけたり攻撃してくる敵でしかない
地方はまた違うけど
362名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tKKa1OOK0
>>345
女性の味方は女性一択だよね
女を分断したがるゴミオスがしょっちゅう女の敵は女とか言ってるけど
現実の女の敵はいつもオス
45名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FsDTgoKW02023/07/17(月) 17:19:07.86
街は汚く、人種差別は犯罪が頻発しているパリなんかになんで行ったんだろう?
47名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UnZ+HJdO02023/07/17(月) 17:19:15.24
日本の小学生は基本的に親が送り迎えしないよね
48名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nd0Ps77K02023/07/17(月) 17:19:24.58
別に日本でもベビーシッターとかそれほど高くないけどね
家事代行はいまや普通だし
スポンサーリンク
未分類
げいすぽ

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