450名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/xh3vYZb02023/07/01(土) 19:58:59.59
行政の大変さは知ってるし叩かれてすぎだと普段は思ってるんだが。
流石にこればっかりは擁護できない。誰が暗幕に10億突っ込もうと思ったんだか。
流石にこればっかりは擁護できない。誰が暗幕に10億突っ込もうと思ったんだか。
452名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FPSTerlk0
>>450
女が考案者とか言ってたような
女が考案者とか言ってたような
456名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:BwA0sgTq02023/07/01(土) 20:07:40.02
ドームで地方博でもやればいいのに。札幌市なら慣れたもんだろ。
490名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:IAls2NAm0
>>456
世界食の祭典の大惨事ふたたびになりそう
世界食の祭典の大惨事ふたたびになりそう
458名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gXF2GOsz02023/07/01(土) 20:09:37.25
そんなん追加音響機材と設置資材と暗幕で1億も行ってないだろ
残りは業者からのキックバックで上の人間と協力した一部の人間の懐よ
この先終わりしかない部署に飛ばされた連中が滅びの前に儲けてんだよ
じゃなきゃ10億なんて額が右から左に流れるかっつーの しかもプロモーターとか演者側への相談や確認もなく
まさかさ、どういう問題が起きるか検証もなく見積して相みつもなく言われたままの金額10億払うとかそんな奴いる？
汚職前提じゃなくて本気でこれやってるとかさ、もしそうなら知恵遅れとかのレベルじゃないぞ・・・
残りは業者からのキックバックで上の人間と協力した一部の人間の懐よ
この先終わりしかない部署に飛ばされた連中が滅びの前に儲けてんだよ
じゃなきゃ10億なんて額が右から左に流れるかっつーの しかもプロモーターとか演者側への相談や確認もなく
まさかさ、どういう問題が起きるか検証もなく見積して相みつもなく言われたままの金額10億払うとかそんな奴いる？
汚職前提じゃなくて本気でこれやってるとかさ、もしそうなら知恵遅れとかのレベルじゃないぞ・・・
460名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uNCz0sx60
>>458
そんなつまんない長文書くとか
そんなつまんない長文書くとか
暗幕は北海道シミズが納入元
463名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gXF2GOsz0
>>460
その内訳あんのかよｗ
全部出してみろ 場合に寄っちゃシミズも終わるわｗｗ
その内訳あんのかよｗ
全部出してみろ 場合に寄っちゃシミズも終わるわｗｗ
467名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uNCz0sx60
>>463
税金チューチューとか
誰かが言い出した言葉を無批判で使える低能さwww
税金チューチューとか
誰かが言い出した言葉を無批判で使える低能さwww
472名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gXF2GOsz0
>>467
工事内訳だよ 先ず10億の内訳出せよ
材料費もそうだし工事費も出せるだろ 何誤魔化してんだよ 内訳だせソーズ付きでカス
工事内訳だよ 先ず10億の内訳出せよ
材料費もそうだし工事費も出せるだろ 何誤魔化してんだよ 内訳だせソーズ付きでカス
481名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6toOL1pl0
間違えた
>>472宛だった
>>472宛だった
483名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mRd2wFbU0
>>460
黒幕かよwww
黒幕かよwww
459名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Mr4B/UsK02023/07/01(土) 20:09:39.97
物販とかビールとか、シャウエッセンとかの問題があったんだっけ？
469名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:g95pWvln0
>>459
ドーム内のグッズ売り上げは3割抜かれて
飲食店はドーム側の指定した店舗だけだったから売上は一切入らないドーム内の広告費と同じ
だから関連費と使用料含めたら30億近かったんだよ
ドーム内のグッズ売り上げは3割抜かれて
飲食店はドーム側の指定した店舗だけだったから売上は一切入らないドーム内の広告費と同じ
だから関連費と使用料含めたら30億近かったんだよ
462名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KgwdMhw302023/07/01(土) 20:12:59.72
あの辛気臭い暗幕は国葬くらいしかできないな
464名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:53Jrdc/K02023/07/01(土) 20:14:22.39
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468名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uNCz0sx60
>>464
自分たちの職場が無くなるからな
自分たちの職場が無くなるからな
465名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hQoltEb602023/07/01(土) 20:14:40.18
日ハムからは年間十数億円の使用料取ってたけど
サッカーからは全くもらってないんでしょ
サッカーからは全くもらってないんでしょ
473名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6toOL1pl0
>>465
800万円/回くらい取ってるんじゃ無かった？
それでも相当ディスカウントしてるみたいだが
800万円/回くらい取ってるんじゃ無かった？
それでも相当ディスカウントしてるみたいだが
566名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:C2Wr9/CD0
>>473
ドーム借りる時に減額して更に札幌市から別口で金貰っているから実質タダだね。
コンサドーレとしては、貰った金をドームに使うんじゃなくて別に使いたいから文句言っていたみたいだけどw
それって乞食じゃん。
ドーム借りる時に減額して更に札幌市から別口で金貰っているから実質タダだね。
コンサドーレとしては、貰った金をドームに使うんじゃなくて別に使いたいから文句言っていたみたいだけどw
それって乞食じゃん。
567名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gXF2GOsz0
>>566
ホバリングステージを入れ替えると1回500万円らしい（北海道ＴＶ）
年間で1億円（人件費だけなのか整備費用込みなのか不明）
ただホバリング代はコンサ免除らしいよｗｗｗ なんだかなぁ
ホバリングステージを入れ替えると1回500万円らしい（北海道ＴＶ）
年間で1億円（人件費だけなのか整備費用込みなのか不明）
ただホバリング代はコンサ免除らしいよｗｗｗ なんだかなぁ
568名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:vTgxaSSZ0
>>473
本来払わなくてはいけない使用料
年間1億5000万
本来払わなくてはいけない使用料
年間1億5000万
スタジアム使用料3割減免（札幌市補助金）5000万
さらに札幌市から8000万の補助金
実質使用料年間2000万
569名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:C2Wr9/CD0
>>568
ってことは実質100万円じゃん。
チェアマンって散々デカいこと言っていたよな。
サッカー文化を育てるつもりが無い街だっけw
ってことは実質100万円じゃん。
チェアマンって散々デカいこと言っていたよな。
サッカー文化を育てるつもりが無い街だっけw
市から金を別に使いたいって、紐付きODAと同じで不可能だし、日ハムから正規の金取っているんだから無理だよね。
574名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LGHKZrw00
>>568
うーんこの税リーグｗ
うーんこの税リーグｗ
466名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4nhqeB0802023/07/01(土) 20:15:04.73
サッカー専用スタジアムに作り変えればええやん
470名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mEgO1TBF02023/07/01(土) 20:17:38.91
Perfumeやミスチルですらドーム使わないのに
479名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6toOL1pl0
>>470
萬子とか筒子のAAは有ったが索子のは見つからないもんだな
萬子とか筒子のAAは有ったが索子のは見つからないもんだな
471名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xYXfk0I002023/07/01(土) 20:17:53.51
暗幕10億円
エスコンフィールド600億円
エスコンフィールド600億円
474名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pSJormEt02023/07/01(土) 20:19:08.53
こけら落としのライブくらい自分達で企画してやればよかったのに
475名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bx9dLE4N02023/07/01(土) 20:20:11.05
夢グループイーグルスが移転します
北海道にプロ野球チームが二つ！これは最高
北海道にプロ野球チームが二つ！これは最高
478名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pSJormEt0
>>475
やす～い
やす～い
522名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jNQoVpDP0
>>475
社長ありがと～ん
社長ありがと～ん
527名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qH6hodvr0
>>475
マジな話
東京で2つしかなく
大阪すら2球団維持できなかったのに北海道が2球団維持できると思う？
マジな話
東京で2つしかなく
大阪すら2球団維持できなかったのに北海道が2球団維持できると思う？
477名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/BXlreq602023/07/01(土) 20:20:17.77
打開策がコンサートに暗幕という超悪手なの草
480名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gXF2GOsz02023/07/01(土) 20:22:20.24
ID:uNCz0sx60 いいから暗幕工事に10億の工事内訳出せや 10億あったら一寸した橋掛かるぞボケ
494名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8/GDlAp50
>>480
そもそも札幌ドームの人間が10億円かかったって言ってたから10億になってるんだぞ…
そもそも札幌ドームの人間が10億円かかったって言ってたから10億になってるんだぞ…
496名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gXF2GOsz0
>>494
株式会社とは言え第三セクターで札幌市の資金が多く投入されてる施設での虚偽報告はどうなのかね？
いあ表向きは10億かも知れないとかさ、むしろ中抜きしてるって宣言じゃないのそれｗ
株式会社とは言え第三セクターで札幌市の資金が多く投入されてる施設での虚偽報告はどうなのかね？
いあ表向きは10億かも知れないとかさ、むしろ中抜きしてるって宣言じゃないのそれｗ
484名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xNvwixIL02023/07/01(土) 20:25:47.47
真駒内のアリーナは常時イベントが埋まってる、今月も。
小田和正もコンサートをする様だし。
小田和正もコンサートをする様だし。
805名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rKy5vDN10
>>484
これで赤字を埋めるために真駒内を値上げするのが役人クオリティ
これで赤字を埋めるために真駒内を値上げするのが役人クオリティ
486名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8StMaDEx02023/07/01(土) 20:28:48.12
札幌っていうか北海道はサッカー不毛だしな
野球しか人気ないところでサッカー場なんて意味がない
野球しか人気ないところでサッカー場なんて意味がない
491名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WPZNoIBz0
>>486
移転前のコピペが貼られてしまう
移転前のコピペが貼られてしまう
617名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MytZQ1oi0
>>486
北海道ってスポーツ以外も興行不毛の地なんだよね
道外遠征組が気軽に行けないから基本道内の人だけで観客を集めなきゃいけないし
道内だけでも函館や帯広あたりから札幌だと泊まり覚悟の遠征だもん
道外だとチケット即完売のアーティストですらいつまでもチケットが残ってるとかよくある話
北海道ってスポーツ以外も興行不毛の地なんだよね
道外遠征組が気軽に行けないから基本道内の人だけで観客を集めなきゃいけないし
道内だけでも函館や帯広あたりから札幌だと泊まり覚悟の遠征だもん
道外だとチケット即完売のアーティストですらいつまでもチケットが残ってるとかよくある話
487名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:AyJwTWNS02023/07/01(土) 20:30:50.56
カーテン垂らしただけで10億も使うのか笑笑
488名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gXF2GOsz02023/07/01(土) 20:31:55.23
札幌市 雪まつりで使う予算 4億円
新モード・暗幕で使う経費 10億円
新モード・暗幕で使う経費 10億円
498名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kOJXswwF0
>>488
新モードはこの先5年10年、札幌ドームを支える起爆剤としての投資なのかな
経済効果とか抜きで、雪まつりも開催たった1週間のイベントに4億かという気もするけど
新モードはこの先5年10年、札幌ドームを支える起爆剤としての投資なのかな
経済効果とか抜きで、雪まつりも開催たった1週間のイベントに4億かという気もするけど
502名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gXF2GOsz0
>>498
雪まつりは経済効果がそれ以上だからだろうね てか止めるって言ったら札幌市民が暴動起こしかねん
新モードはハムが移転を宣言した後の2019には札幌ドーム関係者が仕切り作って2万人規模の箱にすれば客が集まるだろうってインタビューに答えてた
札幌ドームとしてはこの新モードが切り札 そしてネーミングライツで黒字になるって本気で思ってるよｗ
雪まつりは経済効果がそれ以上だからだろうね てか止めるって言ったら札幌市民が暴動起こしかねん
新モードはハムが移転を宣言した後の2019には札幌ドーム関係者が仕切り作って2万人規模の箱にすれば客が集まるだろうってインタビューに答えてた
札幌ドームとしてはこの新モードが切り札 そしてネーミングライツで黒字になるって本気で思ってるよｗ
508名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mRd2wFbU0
>>498
雪まつりは来場者が200万人、世界的なイベントだから
雪まつりは来場者が200万人、世界的なイベントだから
ドームの比じゃ無いよwww
489名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ttY9Krzf02023/07/01(土) 20:32:01.01
札幌オリンピックはここでやるよ
492名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gXF2GOsz02023/07/01(土) 20:39:07.97
キックバック疑惑指摘されて速攻喰い付く癖に内訳は？て言われたらマッハで沈黙
無能だけじゃなくて背信行為とかマジでクズだろ
無能だけじゃなくて背信行為とかマジでクズだろ
493名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:nL+tlsUZ02023/07/01(土) 20:41:23.56
客席を暗幕で潰すのは常套手段だけど、普通さりげなくやるもんだろ。会場入った客が『なんか客席少なくしてるな』って当日気がつく程度が普通。
こんなにあからさまにやるのは無いわ。イベント主催者が敬遠するだろ。
こんなにあからさまにやるのは無いわ。イベント主催者が敬遠するだろ。
495名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Druk1xY402023/07/01(土) 20:46:10.93
コンサートバンバンやればw
497名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bhieJwtn02023/07/01(土) 20:49:01.14
市長がバンド組んでライブやったらいい
客は市役所職員とドーム関係者と利権関係者
一人5万くらいとれ
客は市役所職員とドーム関係者と利権関係者
一人5万くらいとれ
499名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gXF2GOsz0
>>497
入場料2000円で生卵ぶつけてもいい 生卵は場内販売だけ 生卵1ヶ1000円 ゆで卵1ヶ3000円 メチャクチャ儲かる予感
入場料2000円で生卵ぶつけてもいい 生卵は場内販売だけ 生卵1ヶ1000円 ゆで卵1ヶ3000円 メチャクチャ儲かる予感
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