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【サッカー】空回りしたJFA女子サッカー振興の「両輪」…無謀なクラウドファンディング WEリーグの観客動員は低迷を続けている

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850名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2tWul4WE02023/06/28(水) 10:41:32.89
女子のスポーツで興行が成り立つの何てプロレスとビーチバレーぐらいじゃね?
853名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UGZH0j1Q0
>>850
ゴルフは国内大会の賞金総額は女子が男子を上回ってるはず
つまり女子スポーツでも男子を上回る興行はできる
854名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lhPgT47I0
>>850
女子ゴルフは30年ぐらいかけて完全に男女人気を逆転した
856名無しさん@恐縮ですID:MkDuBIPH02023/06/28(水) 10:46:22.71
genderが絡んでいるから話がややこしくなっている
普通に市場価値にあった放映権料なら良いが市場価値+gender割増金を払えとFIFAが言っているからな
858名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rpWcir0W02023/06/28(水) 10:49:33.70
Weリーグの理念がジェンダー平等、多様性社会の実現
ていうのを聞いてはぁ?ってなった人も多いだろう
スポーツに政治持ち込むなよと
859名無しさん@恐縮ですID:I0EcvgoF02023/06/28(水) 10:50:09.44
ゴルフは確かに凄いな
元々女子ゴルフが世界的人気、権威を確立していてそこで日本女子選手が活躍したことや
昭和からのゴルフのファン層の高齢男性層が世界的に通用しない男子ゴルフに見切りをつけてビジュアル的にも好ましい女子ゴルフファンに鞍替えしたってこととが原因か
869名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CJUHTHZ+0
>>859
元々アベレージゴルファーからしたら男子は化け物選手権で女子の方が男子に比べたら近い
宮里藍からスター選手を大事にして今はそれに憧れた年代が頑張ってる、20年ぐらいかけてコツコツとやってきた 品行方正かは知らんがおかしな言動する奴もいない
世界的にどうかというのは完全に後付け、岡本綾子は凄かったけども
883名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FLlC8ZKk0
>>869
ゴルフは日本でも昭和は男子ゴルフが人気だったし現在も世界的には男子ゴルフが人気だけどな
860名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5SnQGoLv02023/06/28(水) 10:51:06.91
男女差別だろうが、買えよお前ら
って言ってる方が男女差別
女子は価値なしって言っているようなもん
864名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fgeqp+0x0
>>860
>>861
日本だけ値段を釣り上げられて差別されてるんだよな確か
でも絶対に買えない値段になっててある意味ラッキーだったかもw
もしスペインと同じ4億円だったら全く需要がないにもかかわらず他の国と足並みを揃えて買わないといけないところだったからなw
4億でもぼったくりだっつーのww
861名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Hz03v89r02023/06/28(水) 10:51:36.31
日本だけ見れないて世界にバレるだけ
貧乏が 韓国ですら放送すんのに
864名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fgeqp+0x0
>>860
>>861
日本だけ値段を釣り上げられて差別されてるんだよな確か
でも絶対に買えない値段になっててある意味ラッキーだったかもw
もしスペインと同じ4億円だったら全く需要がないにもかかわらず他の国と足並みを揃えて買わないといけないところだったからなw
4億でもぼったくりだっつーのww
862名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fgeqp+0x02023/06/28(水) 10:51:36.89
てか日本も一時期のアイナック神戸とかは完全に興行として成立してたんじゃね?
元々ベレーザが金欠で澤たちの契約を解除して神戸が引き取ったところから始まってるんだよな?
889名無しさん@恐縮ですID:33i7kIpl0
>>862
讀賣にサッカー利権をある程度渡してたら、また違ったんだろな
863名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Hz03v89r02023/06/28(水) 10:52:19.77
田島無能ばかり
865名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hLXM/SKh02023/06/28(水) 10:55:49.65
まあ男子の半額では値はつかないってはっきりするからいいじゃん
866名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Hz03v89r02023/06/28(水) 10:55:58.16
日本だけ吊り上げの根拠はどこよ
印象操作はやめろ 証拠を見せろ 証拠を
870名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fgeqp+0x0
>>866
スペインは4億円
日本は100億以上って話だったでしょ
てか今回に限らず男子もかなりぼったくられてるし次のW杯は多分テレビ放映出来ない
909名無しさん@恐縮ですID:oagI0mrJ0
>>870
ソースは?
867名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Hz03v89r02023/06/28(水) 10:57:22.64
焼き豚 需要がない!
前回女子ワールドカップ一番見てたのが日本人だからな笑笑
904名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OPFiM0Jc0
>>867
えっ、視聴率低すぎて測定不能だったのにw
868名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Hz03v89r02023/06/28(水) 10:58:37.87
ただなら見る
有料になると難色
こじきかよ日本人
871名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Fgeqp+0x02023/06/28(水) 11:03:22.82
去年の男子W杯もウマ娘が無かったら普通にテレビ放映出来なかったんだよな~
872名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sUdp4Tkp02023/06/28(水) 11:18:23.13
FIFA 日本だけ放映権買わなかったので無料配信するFIFA+で日本だけPPVにします
898名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZmdhEe4a0
>>872
構わんよ 関心ないし
873名無しさん@恐縮ですID:4UA4FnG802023/06/28(水) 11:27:08.94
日本代表監督に舐めた態度とってたアホどものせいで今は女子サッカーの人気ないの?
874名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eL4TW8NF02023/06/28(水) 11:31:24.12
別にバスケや野球が特別上がってるわけじゃないんよね
サッカーが勝手に沈没してるんだよ
代表もJリーグも女子サッカーも全部だ
875名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QrUNhBaG02023/06/28(水) 11:42:37.02
女子サッカーは見物する分には面白いけどな
男より守備弱いから点入る試合多いし、
一見さんへの疎外感も全くない
大いに伸びてほしいコンテンツなんだけどね

まあW杯で活躍できるか否かで趨勢は決まるな

876名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gpmN46VV02023/06/28(水) 11:48:13.25
澤人気を勘違いした結果…
878名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7NOGlqba0
>>876
則夫時代はまだよかったけど高倉時代がねえ
結局暗黒の象徴のまま何も結果出せなかったしなあ
877名無しさん@恐縮ですID:C7nfVugQ02023/06/28(水) 11:52:20.76
放送確約出来た国だけ参加出来るようにすればいいんじゃないの?
本戦始まる直前に交渉しても、テレビ局とすれば予算とスケジュールが決まってますって言われたら放送なしで終わるし
882名無しさん@恐縮ですID:q1RuSWDc0
>>877
そんなバカな話はない
放映権料が不当に釣り上がるだけだ
やるべきことは逆、提示値を拒否して値段を下げさせること
場合によっては買わないという実績を作っても構わない
879名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2Gcn6I5t02023/06/28(水) 11:55:05.82
オリパラみたいに男子大会の前後に同じ施設でやればいいのに
それなら抱き合わせ価格でまだ売れそうだし
880名無しさん@恐縮ですID:rp4c2MYQ02023/06/28(水) 12:12:15.70
塩越ちゃんを一晩レンタル出来るならクラファンに100万円払ってもいいぞ!
881名無しさん@恐縮ですID:MDrdyHeu02023/06/28(水) 12:22:27.48
仮に放送できたとして誰が見れるんだよあんな時間帯で
年金生活のジジババが好んで見るとでも思ってんのか!
884名無しさん@恐縮ですID:q1RuSWDc02023/06/28(水) 12:26:28.23
世界的には女子ゴルフは人気だだ下がり
893名無しさん@恐縮ですID:T2kWwuT20
>>884
ゴルフって戦術的な進化が無いから人気は下がるよね
趣味ではいいけど
912名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6r7kc0Ze0
>>893
米pgaの男子ツアーは観客もどんどん増えてるし賞金額もどんどん上がって日本ツアーの10倍ぐらいになってる
若いアマチュアプレイヤー数もどんどん増加中でこれは日本も同じらしい
885名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RgKwZqa202023/06/28(水) 12:28:04.89
足元見られてんだから、そんな金額ならいらんと突っぱねりゃいいんだよ
払うから相手がつけあがる
886名無しさん@恐縮ですID:scN9RYdx02023/06/28(水) 12:28:19.15
なにを持って人気としているのか?
放映権は数字で出るからわかるけど
887名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UWugdXMd02023/06/28(水) 12:40:38.01
女子相撲(軽量級)なら需要あるのに…
888名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zI2BQiWW02023/06/28(水) 13:02:09.59
日本のGDPも円安、原油高騰でコロナ前より50兆円余り減、テレビ広告費も1000億円の減、NHKの受信料も1000億円減の見通し
サッカー人気は上がってるか下がってるか知らないけど、放映権料の右肩上がりにはテレビ局は付き合えないだろうな
890名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sUdp4Tkp02023/06/28(水) 13:07:38.22
どんなスポーツでも男女問わず普段のリーグ戦やツアーなんて観ないよな

アメリカの多種スポーツやヨーロッパのサッカーって地上波でやってるの?

891名無しさん@恐縮ですID:B9UMnukD02023/06/28(水) 13:22:16.64
まあエロなかったら退屈なだけだ
892名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5n/+tKCV02023/06/28(水) 13:22:45.55
ジャパネットの娘はVファーレン長崎で結果を出せなかったんだからWEリーグのトップにしちゃだめだろ
894名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Ti0U+vkK02023/06/28(水) 13:25:12.83
iPhoneで撮ってYouTubeでライブすればいい
895名無しさん@恐縮ですID:d1zGnjCE02023/06/28(水) 13:36:21.65
グランドの大きさを70ぱーにする
ボール軽くする
シャツはもっとぴちぴちに
パンツももっとぴちぴちに
なんでこんな簡単なことができないのかわけわからん。
897名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CNAzVzau0
>>895
> グランドの大きさを70ぱーにする
> ボール軽くする
FIFAから承認を得ないとね

> シャツはもっとぴちぴちに
> パンツももっとぴちぴちに
プレイヤー側が拒否る

> なんでこんな簡単なことができないのかわけわからん。
じゃあお前がFIFAとプレイヤーを説得しろ笑

913名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6r7kc0Ze0
>>897
グランドを小さくするだけで全然面白くなると思うよな
幅は一発でサイドチェンジが出来る距離が基本
縦は相手陣内からのカウンターのときスルーパス一発でPAまで届く距離
896名無しさん@恐縮ですID:J3CfEe8302023/06/28(水) 13:39:12.65
FIFAとしては、今のままでも女子サッカーも十分盛り上がっているし、右肩上がりとみなしているからな
899名無しさん@恐縮ですID:333GkQmO02023/06/28(水) 13:43:57.15
男子は次回、総試合数80試合が100試合に増える
それを口実に値上げを要求してくることは確実
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