150名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fVogeXyh02023/06/28(水) 01:58:03.18
「養子」「遺産」
151名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jUoU8RBl02023/06/28(水) 01:58:53.71
遺産をMさんに…こっわ
153名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QWsS4nti02023/06/28(水) 02:27:24.08
> 「両親の後を追って私も自殺するつもりでした」
なんで生きてんの？
154名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xUMXb62102023/06/28(水) 03:00:01.36
ビニールの件とか文春にお漏らししてる検察関係者
これが一番問題
これが一番問題
156名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZlEd928M02023/06/28(水) 03:08:55.37
罪に問えるどころか、普通に両親に承諾なく殺した可能性の方が高いんじゃないの
なんで袋かぶせて止めうったやつのいうことを丸呑みしてんの
179名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wzEl9Nb60
>>156
直接的な証拠がないのでかなり難しい
両親が自殺する動機はあるけど両親を殺害する動機がないので殺人に持ってくのは不可能に近い
もっといえば自殺幇助ですら猿之助の証言しかないので不起訴もありうる
直接的な証拠がないのでかなり難しい
両親が自殺する動機はあるけど両親を殺害する動機がないので殺人に持ってくのは不可能に近い
もっといえば自殺幇助ですら猿之助の証言しかないので不起訴もありうる
333名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oj650QS30
>>179
両親が自殺する動機って何？
両親を殺害する動機なら自身のスキャンダルを知られたくない、スキャンダルにより凋落する自分を見られたくない、非難されたくないがあるが。
両親が自殺する動機って何？
両親を殺害する動機なら自身のスキャンダルを知られたくない、スキャンダルにより凋落する自分を見られたくない、非難されたくないがあるが。
157名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:cgGlMGjm02023/06/28(水) 03:11:55.12
両親の遺書がないのは最大の疑問だな
あれだけの人が何も言わずに死ぬものだろうか…
あれだけの人が何も言わずに死ぬものだろうか…
159名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:z3BQxY4R0
>>157
息子の公演中でどれだけの迷惑がかかるか
息子の公演中でどれだけの迷惑がかかるか
梨園に長く居るなら、一言お詫びを書くよなぁ普通
160名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ycSYbnvu02023/06/28(水) 03:38:07.80
まあ間違いなく一般人が同じ状況なら退院した日に殺人で逮捕だよね
161名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tL+ZWx0Z02023/06/28(水) 03:38:55.33
他の罪名でなく自殺幇助だと判定するからには
死んだ人に、遺書なりなんなり自殺する意思があったと言える証拠がないとな
社会的な安心のためによくない
死んだ人に、遺書なりなんなり自殺する意思があったと言える証拠がないとな
社会的な安心のためによくない
162名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gtC/kPbx02023/06/28(水) 03:42:16.27
証拠隠滅で計画性を問えないんですかね
163名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2FBcsfJH02023/06/28(水) 03:56:09.78
山川しかり、猿之助しかり、広末しかり
このご時世に数億から数十億は稼げたはずの
恵まれた人生をみすみす無駄にして
もったいないことしたもんだ
一寸先は闇、好事魔多しとはよく言ったもんだ
このご時世に数億から数十億は稼げたはずの
恵まれた人生をみすみす無駄にして
もったいないことしたもんだ
一寸先は闇、好事魔多しとはよく言ったもんだ
164名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6CkBhfEe02023/06/28(水) 03:59:18.53
週刊誌の記事→恥だ一家で死のう
そこまで思い詰めるのなら
もし記事が嘘だったら反論すればいい
もし記事が本当だったらバレたら死ぬほど恥じる行ないをどうしてやってたの？
いずれにしても底抜けの阿呆じゃん
何が歌舞伎だよ
165名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:j36zpfXk02023/06/28(水) 04:16:11.09
セ ン テ ン ス
ス プ リ ン グ
ス プ リ ン グ
166名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zlN7ARgM02023/06/28(水) 04:16:25.09
歌舞伎は別に賢い人たちの集団ではない
儲からないから、血族が世襲して幼い頃から芸を仕込んで
江戸時代とか明治時代から続いてる人気が高い「芝居の型」を学んで受け継いできただけ
本当に儲かる商売だったら、過去にあった東宝歌舞伎は撤退しないし
他の興行会社が参入しようと頑張るだろうが
昭和の頃より、松竹がほぼ独占状況になった
伝統芸能分野の中では、稀有な存在で税金投入せずに民間100％で賄ってんのは偉いけど
「歌舞伎座タワー」による不動産収入を作らなかったら、松竹は赤字企業になってた
歌舞伎役者の1／3は一般家庭出身の役者だが、彼らは一生脇役
168名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ES+4Eyi702023/06/28(水) 07:29:29.81
文春は自殺幇助で捕まらんの？
169名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/ogrruQ202023/06/28(水) 07:32:20.19
ガッツポーズをする香川が見えます
170。ID:1ToJ0qyA0
>>169
香川にとって何もいいことないけどな。
香川にとって何もいいことないけどな。
171名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:E17X9wgk02023/06/28(水) 07:38:51.77
発作的にポアして、自分が偽装自殺することで一家心中にみせようとした
173名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+0LFwsE50
>>171
みんなそう思ってるよね
みんなそう思ってるよね
172名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+P38fgid02023/06/28(水) 07:43:17.82
いまさらだけど3人で死んで生まれ変わろうがまったくもって意味不明だな
おっさんになっても親と一蓮托生はおかしいだろ
親は親、子は子で別人格なんだからそれぞれ勝手に生きて死ねよってのが普通じゃん
おっさんになっても親と一蓮托生はおかしいだろ
親は親、子は子で別人格なんだからそれぞれ勝手に生きて死ねよってのが普通じゃん
174名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KnodSmtG02023/06/28(水) 07:51:04.29
実質二人も手にかけてるのに逮捕も無しで野放しとかあるわけねーだろw
175名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:812cl7CW02023/06/28(水) 07:52:21.12
苦しいとは思うが当局には殺人として正しく立件できるよう頑張って頂きたい
176名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:scYUDnq302023/06/28(水) 07:53:26.22
ビニール袋被せて窒息死させた単純殺人やん エテ之助
178名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:F2Lg2ddL02023/06/28(水) 08:17:21.91
自殺するひとがみんな遺書書くわけじゃないよ
181名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:huTDDZzV0
>>178
そうだけど古い礼節や義理やしがらみの世界に生きていた人たちが
多大な迷惑が掛かると知って死ぬ場合、申し訳ないの一言くらいありそうなものだ
そうだけど古い礼節や義理やしがらみの世界に生きていた人たちが
多大な迷惑が掛かると知って死ぬ場合、申し訳ないの一言くらいありそうなものだ
180名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:RQky0qzE02023/06/28(水) 08:30:22.69
逮捕はしたものの不起訴か起訴猶予
多分本人の動揺が激しく供述調書もままならないという判断がなされておしまい
弁護士からの要求で一時的記憶混乱の中での犯行として立件不可能と判断
釈放後本人は引退表明、歌舞伎協会から謹慎10年未満の処分でケリだろ
そんなもんだよ
多分本人の動揺が激しく供述調書もままならないという判断がなされておしまい
弁護士からの要求で一時的記憶混乱の中での犯行として立件不可能と判断
釈放後本人は引退表明、歌舞伎協会から謹慎10年未満の処分でケリだろ
そんなもんだよ
182名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:huTDDZzV0
>>180
事件に対して何らかの手続きが必要だから逮捕しただけなのかな
だとしたら茶番もいいとこだね
事件に対して何らかの手続きが必要だから逮捕しただけなのかな
だとしたら茶番もいいとこだね
184名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OYXVoPdz02023/06/28(水) 09:10:08.65
ここ、猿之助スレ実質★6でいいのかな？
さっきPC開いた
さっきPC開いた
185名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5rj1VET602023/06/28(水) 09:19:39.21
読売新聞
「処方された睡眠薬をすり潰し、（両親が）水に混ぜて飲んだ」と述べていたことも捜査関係者への取材でわかった。警視庁が詳しい状況や動機を調べている。
ttps://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/20230628-OYT1T50039/
190名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bZFYpRTv0
>>185
ありがとう
ありがとう
えぇ～すり潰したのか
すり鉢はどうしたの洗ったの？
手が込んでるねぇ
192名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:nxVFuon30
>>190
サスペンスドラマより巧妙だね
プロだね
サスペンスドラマより巧妙だね
プロだね
191名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A8LA7jps0
>>190
心中と言い張る割に証拠隠滅は丁寧で隙が無い猿之助
心中と言い張る割に証拠隠滅は丁寧で隙が無い猿之助
199名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hRKEgtiL0
>>185
すりつぶしたなら、すり鉢かフープロに痕跡が残るはず
すり鉢の溝1本1本や、フープロの刃の根本などに
1ミクロンも残さず洗浄するのは、一般家庭のキッチンではほぼ不可能
すりつぶしたなら、すり鉢かフープロに痕跡が残るはず
すり鉢の溝1本1本や、フープロの刃の根本などに
1ミクロンも残さず洗浄するのは、一般家庭のキッチンではほぼ不可能
202名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Hj4uTccx0
>>199
捨てたんやろ
捨てたんやろ
207名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hRKEgtiL0
>>202
すり鉢とフープロは事件当日の燃えるゴミには出せない
前々からすりつぶして準備していたなら
「（当日に）家族会議して心中を決めた」という供述と矛盾するね
すり鉢とフープロは事件当日の燃えるゴミには出せない
前々からすりつぶして準備していたなら
「（当日に）家族会議して心中を決めた」という供述と矛盾するね
210名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5rj1VET60
>>207
日経新聞によると前日17日に自殺方法を検索してたようだから計画的にやってるよ
日経新聞によると前日17日に自殺方法を検索してたようだから計画的にやってるよ
211名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Hj4uTccx0
>>207
すり鉢程度なら燃えるゴミの中に隠してだせるけどね
すり鉢程度なら燃えるゴミの中に隠してだせるけどね
217名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oKehd9va0
>>211
うちも
すり鉢も、割れたフープロも、燃えるゴミで出したことあるな～
新聞にくるんだり中身が見えない袋に入れてから、燃えるゴミ袋に入れたら普通に回収してくれるし
うちも
すり鉢も、割れたフープロも、燃えるゴミで出したことあるな～
新聞にくるんだり中身が見えない袋に入れてから、燃えるゴミ袋に入れたら普通に回収してくれるし
猿之助もゴミ分別なんか普段しないだろね
たまたま翌日がゴミ回収日だったことが運命だったんだね
186名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mOObaOwZ02023/06/28(水) 09:21:23.85
処方箋薬の譲渡は薬機法、更に向精神薬の譲渡は麻薬及び向精神薬取締法に
抵触するわけだから、立件しないほうがおかしいのだがね。
しかも親が勝手に飲んだと言ってるわけじゃないし。
抵触するわけだから、立件しないほうがおかしいのだがね。
しかも親が勝手に飲んだと言ってるわけじゃないし。
188名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EFLT6aKz02023/06/28(水) 09:23:39.98
はいはい、自殺幇助で求刑５年、判決懲役３年執行猶予５年ね、分かった？
いいね？（検察・警察）
いいね？（検察・警察）
189名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A8LA7jps02023/06/28(水) 09:24:53.21
そりゃあ猿之助用に処方された薬を渡してた（体内から検出された）って点だけで
幇助以上は確定だからね
幇助以上は確定だからね
193名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EFLT6aKz02023/06/28(水) 09:30:54.81
すり潰した？
嘘だね、サイレースなんか水に入れりゃ溶けるからその必要がない
成分濃度を高めるために糖衣を剥がしたのかな？
あほくさ
256名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:flUJndpB0
>>193
一緒に飲んだというレンドルミンもラムネみたいな錠剤ですぐ溶けるよ
わざわざすり潰したなら気づかれないよう何かに混ぜ込むためとしか…
一緒に飲んだというレンドルミンもラムネみたいな錠剤ですぐ溶けるよ
わざわざすり潰したなら気づかれないよう何かに混ぜ込むためとしか…
221名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OYXVoPdz0
>>193
サイレースって糖衣のあるの？
見た事ない
サイレースって糖衣のあるの？
見た事ない
222。ID:OXQ55h/N0
>>221
子供用だろ。
子供用だろ。
227名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OYXVoPdz0
>>222
そうか、知らなかった
そうか、知らなかった
じゃ猿之助って、子供用のサイレース出してもらってたのかな？
変なの
194名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:E1Goshts02023/06/28(水) 09:31:01.78
どう考えてもおかしな話だが、どうせ上級無罪で終わらせて権威主義の日本人は大人しくそれで納得すんだろ
195名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0zF/HPxu02023/06/28(水) 09:40:05.71
週刊誌がきっかけにしようとしてるけど元々何か別の事で揉めてたんじゃないの
矛盾してる事も沢山あるのに幇助で済まそうとしてるのも怪しい
矛盾してる事も沢山あるのに幇助で済まそうとしてるのも怪しい
196名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hRKEgtiL02023/06/28(水) 09:43:35.93
基本に立ち返って聞くけど
第一発見者は「誰」という報道、ちゃんとされた？
事務所から出向いたのが女マネ1人なのか、他にもいたのか
石橋も一緒だったのか、石橋だけ別に行ったのか
別だとしたら、事務所と石橋はどちらが早く到着したのか
第一発見者は「誰」という報道、ちゃんとされた？
事務所から出向いたのが女マネ1人なのか、他にもいたのか
石橋も一緒だったのか、石橋だけ別に行ったのか
別だとしたら、事務所と石橋はどちらが早く到着したのか
197名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0zF/HPxu02023/06/28(水) 09:45:52.57
最初の頃の報道で最後の晩餐に蕎麦たべたとかなかったっけ？
そこに砕いた薬入れることもできたよね
そこに砕いた薬入れることもできたよね
201名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Hj4uTccx0
>>197
この粉なんやねん？ってなるやろ
この粉なんやねん？ってなるやろ
203名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0zF/HPxu0
>>201
麺じゃなくて蕎麦つゆに混ぜるとか
麺じゃなくて蕎麦つゆに混ぜるとか
205名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Hj4uTccx0
>>203
どうも情報見てる感じ何かに混ぜて気付かない量じゃないと思う
どうも情報見てる感じ何かに混ぜて気付かない量じゃないと思う
208名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A8LA7jps0
>>205
結局、薬の量が大量だって確定はしてないんじゃない？
昏睡レイプにとかも他であるように意識を失わせるまでは食べ物・飲み物に混入可能
後は意識不明の状態からビニール袋で窒息させるか、追加で薬を摂取させる方法が何かあるか
結局、薬の量が大量だって確定はしてないんじゃない？
昏睡レイプにとかも他であるように意識を失わせるまでは食べ物・飲み物に混入可能
後は意識不明の状態からビニール袋で窒息させるか、追加で薬を摂取させる方法が何かあるか
198名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Azi45cL102023/06/28(水) 09:46:40.66
遺書もなくて薬飲ませて袋被せて、自殺失敗したら数年で出てこられるんですね。
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