250名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nxVFuon302023/06/28(水) 11:52:18.75
猿之助容疑者の両親、睡眠導入剤「致死量は6000錠」識者が指摘「いろんな意味で矛盾」
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/7980639b02732d7518117e786f83e0d7df9bf124
>雨宮氏は「1000錠、これが中毒量。致死量になると6000錠というのが計算上は、なります」とコメント。
>「計算上」という注釈付きではあるが「致死量ほどの摂取、これはちょっと考えづらいので、そこには謎があります」と明言した。
>両親の死因は向精神薬による中毒死とみられている。
>雨宮氏は「向精神薬は比較的安全な薬と言われている」とした上で
>「今回のような事例で、極めて大量の向精神薬をとったとしてもなかなか死には至らない。
>しかも、摂取する方法自体も、極めて大量のもの(薬)を摂取することは難しい」と語った。
>大量に摂取することの難しさを指摘し「いろんな意味で矛盾点があります」と疑問視した。
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/7980639b02732d7518117e786f83e0d7df9bf124
>雨宮氏は「1000錠、これが中毒量。致死量になると6000錠というのが計算上は、なります」とコメント。
>「計算上」という注釈付きではあるが「致死量ほどの摂取、これはちょっと考えづらいので、そこには謎があります」と明言した。
>両親の死因は向精神薬による中毒死とみられている。
>雨宮氏は「向精神薬は比較的安全な薬と言われている」とした上で
>「今回のような事例で、極めて大量の向精神薬をとったとしてもなかなか死には至らない。
>しかも、摂取する方法自体も、極めて大量のもの(薬)を摂取することは難しい」と語った。
>大量に摂取することの難しさを指摘し「いろんな意味で矛盾点があります」と疑問視した。
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251名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G5A44rCN02023/06/28(水) 11:54:38.97
1種類だと致死量10,000錠なんだってね
2種類検出されたそうだけど何錠分親は飲んだのよ
なんで猿之助は生き残れたわけ?
2種類検出されたそうだけど何錠分親は飲んだのよ
なんで猿之助は生き残れたわけ?
272。ID:OXQ55h/N0
>>251
エビオス錠でもそれだけ飲んだら死にそうな気がするな。
エビオス錠でもそれだけ飲んだら死にそうな気がするな。
273名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EZDFkxxM0
>>272
かっぱえびせんでも死にそう
かっぱえびせんでも死にそう
252名無しさん@恐縮ですID:N2wN8NPb02023/06/28(水) 11:58:17.51
大人なら粒状のほうが飲みやすいのに何故わざわざ砕いた?
本人には知らせずに飲み物か食べ物に混ぜて飲ませでもしない限り砕く必要ないと思うんだけど
本人には知らせずに飲み物か食べ物に混ぜて飲ませでもしない限り砕く必要ないと思うんだけど
254名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9+dAja8E02023/06/28(水) 12:07:53.26
経口摂取だけだったのだろうか
255名無しさん@恐縮ですID:EiAr6ZCD02023/06/28(水) 12:08:28.00
6000錠て
258名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G3m/2Ba302023/06/28(水) 12:14:48.26
国会議員が伝統芸能を守ると思ったのに これで歌舞伎は絶滅だ
259名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3QsGkhif0
>>258
別にたかひこ猿之助=歌舞伎の全てではあるまい
別にたかひこ猿之助=歌舞伎の全てではあるまい
260名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zxtqJ4jO02023/06/28(水) 12:34:48.51
ホモバレが屈辱で両親死なすて
どんだけ自分勝手やねん
どんだけ自分勝手やねん
261名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sSNAhs6R02023/06/28(水) 12:37:17.98
ビニール袋と薬のパッケージ捨てたのはなぜなの
自分も死ぬならゴミ捨て場に持ってくまでする?
自分も死ぬならゴミ捨て場に持ってくまでする?
262名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OYXVoPdz02023/06/28(水) 12:37:28.44
サイレースとレンドルミンだったっけ
どちらも安全な睡眠薬
どちらも安全な睡眠薬
264名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gmMUKWpk02023/06/28(水) 12:39:41.83
猿之助のいた半地下って外から入れる場所だったってほんとかね
いかにも早々と見つけてくれと云わんばかりやん
いかにも早々と見つけてくれと云わんばかりやん
266名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OYXVoPdz0
>>264
そうなんだ
そうなんだ
だから両親リビングであぼんさせといて
自分は地下室移動したのかな?
270名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sSNAhs6R0
>>264
玄関の鍵開いてたんだっけ?www
玄関の鍵開いてたんだっけ?www
265名無しさん@恐縮ですID:W2v7L0ke02023/06/28(水) 12:39:58.32
「両親に話したところ、家族3人で次の世界にいこうということになった」
次の世界とかないから。
生まれ変わりどーこーみたいな虚構の世界で生きてると現実とファンタジーの区別がつかなくなるんだな
268名無しさん@恐縮ですID:flUJndpB02023/06/28(水) 12:51:31.19
睡眠導入剤を致死量飲んだというのは全く現実的ではない
なのに検死結果は薬物中毒(の疑い?)
そこが解せないな
なのに検死結果は薬物中毒(の疑い?)
そこが解せないな
274名無しさん@恐縮ですID:flUJndpB02023/06/28(水) 13:56:16.20
考えてみたら何千粒も飲んだらグミでもラムネでも死ぬわなw
275名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OOtBWNBu02023/06/28(水) 13:56:31.73
自分だけ生き残ったってしょうがないでしょ
タヒぬ気がなかったはさすがにないんじゃない?
親が亡くなっていくのを見ているうちに
我に帰ったとかはあるかもしれないけど
タヒぬ気がなかったはさすがにないんじゃない?
親が亡くなっていくのを見ているうちに
我に帰ったとかはあるかもしれないけど
276名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yqTAcqEG02023/06/28(水) 14:04:37.05
でも自分の親殺すってヤバいよな…
277名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ADrWu5Sn02023/06/28(水) 14:16:24.15
窒息死の線を早々に諦めた以上、不能犯として不起訴で終わりでしょ
たとえ殺意があったとしても物理的に不可能な行為は罪に問えない
たとえ殺意があったとしても物理的に不可能な行為は罪に問えない
278名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OJ+ODTLt02023/06/28(水) 14:32:15.64
家族を殺して自分は同情を貰って生き延びであわよくば復帰しようと最初から計画していたんでしょ
282名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/Jf/crmT0
>>278
そうかなあ
リスクがでかすぎて釣り合わないよ
両親を積極的に殺す理由もそもそもないわけだし
そうかなあ
リスクがでかすぎて釣り合わないよ
両親を積極的に殺す理由もそもそもないわけだし
285名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zxtqJ4jO0
>>282
実際両親2人とも亡くなって本人は生きとるやん
実際両親2人とも亡くなって本人は生きとるやん
286名無しさん@恐縮ですID:SV7nlOIk0
>>285
で、わざわざ計画的に両親を殺したメリットは猿之助にあったの?これからありそう?
で、わざわざ計画的に両親を殺したメリットは猿之助にあったの?これからありそう?
279名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fYeU09Ev02023/06/28(水) 14:36:08.88
逮捕しとかないと自殺しそうだしな。
280名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hYrhPtR902023/06/28(水) 14:36:54.26
やっぱり死ぬ気はなかったんだな
せこいなあ
せこいなあ
自分だけ死ぬ詐欺演技して
281名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Rh55lrgZ02023/06/28(水) 14:39:38.00
たぶん肝の小さい男なんだよ
恥を晒して生きていくのは本当に耐えられないと思ったのだろう
でも結局死ぬのも怖かった
今となっては完全にどの面下げても人前には出られまい
恥を晒して生きていくのは本当に耐えられないと思ったのだろう
でも結局死ぬのも怖かった
今となっては完全にどの面下げても人前には出られまい
294名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pYu4g+l60
>>281
あの尊大な感じは虚勢だったのかね
あの尊大な感じは虚勢だったのかね
295名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Nb7PZyMZ0
>>294
内心気の弱いやつほど下の人に威張ったり、毒舌を振りまいたりするもんだ
内心気の弱いやつほど下の人に威張ったり、毒舌を振りまいたりするもんだ
283名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/Jf/crmT02023/06/28(水) 15:21:59.31
薬のケースやビニールを捨てたことから計画殺人みたいに言う人が多いけど
両親を殺して得られるメリットなんか何もないだろうよ
両親を殺して得られるメリットなんか何もないだろうよ
307名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hgtTct0E0
>>283
叱責されて腹が立ったとか、殺人の動機なんて
結局はたからみたら実にくだらないもんだよ
叱責されて腹が立ったとか、殺人の動機なんて
結局はたからみたら実にくだらないもんだよ
331名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IYm2UQjS0
>>307
ただ、睡眠薬はかなりため込んでたみたいだから計画的だったのかなとも思われる
さあみんなで自殺Iしましょうってって決めた時に
都合よく人数分の睡眠薬があったわってならない気がするから
それでも雨宮さんは、それだけの薬をため込むのは難しいと言ってたな
ただ、睡眠薬はかなりため込んでたみたいだから計画的だったのかなとも思われる
さあみんなで自殺Iしましょうってって決めた時に
都合よく人数分の睡眠薬があったわってならない気がするから
それでも雨宮さんは、それだけの薬をため込むのは難しいと言ってたな
341名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hg8ARF4/0
>>331
致死量って10,000錠なんでしょ?
薬だけで死ねるの
致死量って10,000錠なんでしょ?
薬だけで死ねるの
343名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Xtui61uo0
>>341
意外と行けちゃうみたいだよね
でもそれ言うとみんな殺人や自殺の道具にしちゃうから公表出来ないのかな?
意外と行けちゃうみたいだよね
でもそれ言うとみんな殺人や自殺の道具にしちゃうから公表出来ないのかな?
292名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Wm8WI0oE0
>>283
親バレが怖かった、というのは動機になりうると思うよ
親バレが怖かった、というのは動機になりうると思うよ
親の期待が大きく厳しく育てられた子であればあるほど
ダメな自分の姿は親に晒したくないという心理が働くもの
308名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Ts8FjEfM0
>>283
本人は知られていないと思っていた性癖が
両親に知られたくなかったのは動機になる。
ただ、周りの人間からしてみたら、
本人だけがバレていないと思っていた性癖だから、
疑問点としては残るが。
俺の嫁さんも猿之助の性癖は知っていたぞ。
本人を除く大半の人間は知っている事実だ。
本人は知られていないと思っていた性癖が
両親に知られたくなかったのは動機になる。
ただ、周りの人間からしてみたら、
本人だけがバレていないと思っていた性癖だから、
疑問点としては残るが。
俺の嫁さんも猿之助の性癖は知っていたぞ。
本人を除く大半の人間は知っている事実だ。
309名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hgtTct0E0
>>308
歌舞伎3回しか見たことない俺でも知ってる
猿之助初めて見た後、ネットでググったら普通にゲイ情報も出てきた
歌舞伎3回しか見たことない俺でも知ってる
猿之助初めて見た後、ネットでググったら普通にゲイ情報も出てきた
歳いったおっさん、しかも跡継ぎ作るのが求められる歌舞伎役者が
いつまでも結婚せず、女の噂もなく、かつ遊びまくっていたら
周囲が疑問持たないわけないよな
312名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Ts8FjEfM0
>>309
公知な事実だから動機として認定させるのは難しいかもね。
公知な事実だから動機として認定させるのは難しいかもね。
284名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eXcFdOyZ02023/06/28(水) 15:29:58.42
親だけ死んで、本人死んでないしね
287名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+pN3s7G402023/06/28(水) 16:50:44.84
女性セブンもアウティング罪で死刑でしょ
288名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0IXKqbI302023/06/28(水) 16:53:26.76
> 前代未聞の心中事件は発生から1カ月以上を経て、ついに警察が強制捜査に踏み切った
どんだけ忖度してんだか
忖度しろって通達した自民党の重鎮ってだれや?
301名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OCPgf6Q60
>>288
心中事件は被害者と加害者が入れ替わることもあるので扱いが難しい
過去に父親が一家を殺害して心中を図ったと思われたが実は息子が自殺を図ろうとして両親を巻き込んで自殺したといyことがあった
心中事件は被害者と加害者が入れ替わることもあるので扱いが難しい
過去に父親が一家を殺害して心中を図ったと思われたが実は息子が自殺を図ろうとして両親を巻き込んで自殺したといyことがあった
310名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9NPOA5Gg0
>>301
猿之助が生きてるってのにお前はバカか?
猿之助が生きてるってのにお前はバカか?
320名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OCPgf6Q60
>>310
これも生き残った方(父親)が心中に巻き込まれたパターンだよ
必ずしも生き残ったから心中を図ったとは限らないし、逆に生き残った方が心中に巻き込まれたとも限らない
これだけでは判断できる材料がない
これも生き残った方(父親)が心中に巻き込まれたパターンだよ
必ずしも生き残ったから心中を図ったとは限らないし、逆に生き残った方が心中に巻き込まれたとも限らない
これだけでは判断できる材料がない
325名無しさん@恐縮ですID:9NPOA5Gg0
>>320
またお前か
猿之助が言い出しっぺの実行犯だっていう調べは付いてんだよ バカが
またお前か
猿之助が言い出しっぺの実行犯だっていう調べは付いてんだよ バカが
289名無しさん@恐縮ですID:0IXKqbI302023/06/28(水) 16:54:29.45
森元くさいな~ こんなのまで口出すヤツって
麻生は文化的なものに関心なんかないだろうしw
麻生は文化的なものに関心なんかないだろうしw
290名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VNInGEOR02023/06/28(水) 17:09:29.82
自殺ほう助で執行猶予付きが精一杯だね
291名無しさん@恐縮ですID:gMoAsjnx02023/06/28(水) 17:25:34.21
通常なら2人殺害で数十年の実刑。
上級エテ乃スケは自殺ほう助で執行猶予つき。
上級エテ乃スケは自殺ほう助で執行猶予つき。
293名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ggFi4kyW02023/06/28(水) 17:57:01.47
計画殺人かもしれないわけか
296名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2zgcKIuu02023/06/28(水) 19:43:38.43
歌舞伎でホモなんか驚かねえから違う理由だろ
297名無しさん@恐縮ですID:OM4elElz02023/06/29(木) 02:09:38.60
両親は普段からパジャマで生活してたんだろうか?
八時に3人で蕎麦食ったとあるが八時なんてうちの老親でもまだ部屋着で過ごしていて就寝前にパジャマに着替える
猿の親も食後寝る支度したなら死ぬ気なんて無さそうなんだけど
八時に3人で蕎麦食ったとあるが八時なんてうちの老親でもまだ部屋着で過ごしていて就寝前にパジャマに着替える
猿の親も食後寝る支度したなら死ぬ気なんて無さそうなんだけど
299名無しさん@恐縮ですID:AqVs3weA0
>>297
あのご老人が部屋着であぼんするって、ちょっと抵抗ないかな
あのご老人が部屋着であぼんするって、ちょっと抵抗ないかな
辞世の句をきっちり整えて、身なりもちゃんとして
逝きそうだと思う
298名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1V8cmhTX02023/06/29(木) 03:12:49.84
親死んで自分生き残って同情されてるね
週刊誌が悪いって
セクハラパワハラ疑惑どっかいっちゃった
週刊誌が悪いって
セクハラパワハラ疑惑どっかいっちゃった
300名無しさん@恐縮ですID:AqVs3weA0
>>298
そんな事になってるのかー
本人他責思考っぽいし、そのうちボロ出そうだけど
そんな事になってるのかー
本人他責思考っぽいし、そのうちボロ出そうだけど
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