400名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hA0RI0bj02023/07/01(土) 02:16:06.64
薬は猿之助のだし親は全く耐性がないだろう
初回なら1錠、2錠でもスヤスヤよ
溶かすと青くなるそうだが1つ2つなら騙せて飲ますことは十分可能だろうｄ
初回なら1錠、2錠でもスヤスヤよ
溶かすと青くなるそうだが1つ2つなら騙せて飲ますことは十分可能だろうｄ
401名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4+GeDS2K02023/07/01(土) 02:16:58.89
1人だけ生き残ってしまい両親に申し訳ないって言葉を発したかどうかって知ってる？
406名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hA0RI0bj0
>>401
Mへの謝罪しか見てない
まあアウティングになってるから滅茶苦茶Mには迷惑はかけてるが
Mへの謝罪しか見てない
まあアウティングになってるから滅茶苦茶Mには迷惑はかけてるが
402名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HfbuHX9S02023/07/01(土) 02:16:58.97
薬は母親のやつって聞いたよ
403名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:3UiuZfKu02023/07/01(土) 02:17:01.46
これで自殺ほう助で済ませたら、殺人やりたい奴がみんなこの方法で殺人するだろう。
404名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HfbuHX9S02023/07/01(土) 02:18:10.45
神奈川県警だったらそのままエクストリーム幇助の検死結果を濫発しそうではある
405名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uXsaCGGg02023/07/01(土) 02:18:19.16
言うほど、手助けの範ちゅうか？
407名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7vHgt5yQ02023/07/01(土) 02:19:00.93
普通に殺人だろ
408名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Q/X8rFFf02023/07/01(土) 02:19:01.51
４７歳で一人っ子の独身男が、簡単に両親を殺すとは思えない。
家族がいなくなるのに。
歌舞伎の家で母親の世話までなくなると大変そう。
家族がいなくなるのに。
歌舞伎の家で母親の世話までなくなると大変そう。
409名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CAJKgeV702023/07/01(土) 02:19:49.44
頭からビニール袋かぶせて養生テープで止めるってヤミ金ウシジマくんの世界
410名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:vt49GNVx02023/07/01(土) 02:20:19.64
てか何で自分から不利になることをペラペラと話すのかね？
自殺にしたいのならビニール袋やら養生テープのことなんか話さんでしょ
捨てたもん警察に押さえられてるのかね？
自殺にしたいのならビニール袋やら養生テープのことなんか話さんでしょ
捨てたもん警察に押さえられてるのかね？
440名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Xav5URdO0
>>410
鋭いですね。まさにその通り。
今回の事件はプロによる他殺の可能性があります。
猿之助はヒットマンの存在を知っているはず。
ヒットマンの存在を猿之助が警察言ってしまうと自分は捕まらず助かっても、いずれは始末される。
ヒットマンの存在を隠蔽して自分がした事にすれば、自分の命だけは助かる。
そもそも検死のために両親が運ばれた医師の判定が適当過ぎた。泡を吹いて死んでいるので睡眠薬ではない青酸化合物などの劇薬。
診断の辻褄を合わせるために警察内部にいる協力者が猿之助に協力をしている。
鋭いですね。まさにその通り。
今回の事件はプロによる他殺の可能性があります。
猿之助はヒットマンの存在を知っているはず。
ヒットマンの存在を猿之助が警察言ってしまうと自分は捕まらず助かっても、いずれは始末される。
ヒットマンの存在を隠蔽して自分がした事にすれば、自分の命だけは助かる。
そもそも検死のために両親が運ばれた医師の判定が適当過ぎた。泡を吹いて死んでいるので睡眠薬ではない青酸化合物などの劇薬。
診断の辻褄を合わせるために警察内部にいる協力者が猿之助に協力をしている。
と妄想してみる。
450名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iS78yvw80
>>410
薬じゃ死ねないからじゃない？
どうして二人共亡くなったのか、幇助した猿之助は説明しなきゃならないじゃん
薬＋ビニール窒息であると言わざるを得ないと思うけど
薬じゃ死ねないからじゃない？
どうして二人共亡くなったのか、幇助した猿之助は説明しなきゃならないじゃん
薬＋ビニール窒息であると言わざるを得ないと思うけど
413名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sShyDs7B0
>>410
ゴミ屋に回収されてるはず
ゴミ屋に回収されてるはず
429名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:3kF7q7eO0
>>413
ゴミ処理場は、回収してからすぐに焼却する訳じゃなくて、乾燥させる為に数日留め置く。生ゴミなど大半が水分なので、燃えにくいのよ。
ゴミ処理場は、回収してからすぐに焼却する訳じゃなくて、乾燥させる為に数日留め置く。生ゴミなど大半が水分なので、燃えにくいのよ。
だから事件発生後にすぐにゴミを回収して、薬の空袋とか探そうと思えば可能だったかも。
ま、大変な作業だから極論だけれども。
411名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sShyDs7B02023/07/01(土) 02:20:21.83
結果的に薬の量が親には厳しく自分には甘かった訳だから、息子都合だったのは頷ける
412名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HfbuHX9S02023/07/01(土) 02:20:43.50
まあ、殺人にしか見えないけど、大御所猿之助をどのていど可哀想と思って忖度調書作るかによるのでは～
418名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tgKxvjTd0
>>412
歌舞伎評論家によると
猿之助ファミリーは歌舞伎界の
最下層だってさ、切り捨てても問題ないって
歌舞伎評論家によると
猿之助ファミリーは歌舞伎界の
最下層だってさ、切り捨てても問題ないって
424名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HfbuHX9S0
>>418
最下層ってことはドウワ勢力のアベンジャーズは逆にイチオシしてたってことだよ
最下層ってことはドウワ勢力のアベンジャーズは逆にイチオシしてたってことだよ
481名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:80846iXv0
>>418
えー？
そんなこと言ってる歌舞伎評論家、いないよ？
いたとしたら、完全にインチキというか歌舞伎のこと何も知らないトンチンカンな人ってことだと思うけど
えー？
そんなこと言ってる歌舞伎評論家、いないよ？
いたとしたら、完全にインチキというか歌舞伎のこと何も知らないトンチンカンな人ってことだと思うけど
490名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tgKxvjTd0
>>481
思いっきり大々的に記事になってるじゃん
ググったけど
過去に破門されてるのが原因だって
思いっきり大々的に記事になってるじゃん
ググったけど
過去に破門されてるのが原因だって
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513名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:80846iXv0
>>490
澤瀉屋が歌舞伎界で最下層だなんて全然書かれてないじゃん
初代は九代目団十郎の弟子で波紋になった役者だけど、代々名優を輩出して、二代目猿之助なんてもう戦前は大人気スターだったよ
三代目もめちゃくちゃ人気あって、人気のなかった歌舞伎を盛り返した功労者 中興の祖みたいなもん
澤瀉屋が歌舞伎界で最下層だなんて全然書かれてないじゃん
初代は九代目団十郎の弟子で波紋になった役者だけど、代々名優を輩出して、二代目猿之助なんてもう戦前は大人気スターだったよ
三代目もめちゃくちゃ人気あって、人気のなかった歌舞伎を盛り返した功労者 中興の祖みたいなもん
537名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tgKxvjTd0
>>513
だからテレビで言った奴に言えよ
くどいなぁ
だからテレビで言った奴に言えよ
くどいなぁ
523名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:80846iXv0
>>418
格式として下の役者なんてほかにたくさんいるよ
てか、歌舞伎って人気商売だから
チケット売れないとなんの意味もない
そういう意味では猿之助はトップクラスだった
だからファンも松竹も衝撃を受けてるんだよ
格式として下の役者なんてほかにたくさんいるよ
てか、歌舞伎って人気商売だから
チケット売れないとなんの意味もない
そういう意味では猿之助はトップクラスだった
だからファンも松竹も衝撃を受けてるんだよ
464名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pvFqV1bX0
>>418
馬鹿。猿之助は上から２番目だぞ。１番上は海老蔵。
あくまで格式だけどな。
馬鹿。猿之助は上から２番目だぞ。１番上は海老蔵。
あくまで格式だけどな。
470名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tgKxvjTd0
>>464
それはテレビでヒエラルキーパネルにして説明してた
評論家に言ってくれよ
一番下にしてたのはそいつだし。
それはテレビでヒエラルキーパネルにして説明してた
評論家に言ってくれよ
一番下にしてたのはそいつだし。
414名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JZXUcZXZ02023/07/01(土) 02:21:09.41
待って、それって殺してない？
415名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:3kF7q7eO02023/07/01(土) 02:22:09.20
この件、
一般人がやったら即逮捕、殺人容疑でさっさと書類が送検されて次の段階へ行ってしまうはず。
一般人がやったら即逮捕、殺人容疑でさっさと書類が送検されて次の段階へ行ってしまうはず。
上級だと周りが「違う解釈出来ないかなぁ」とか「いやぁ、まさかありえないよ」と忖度しちゃうんだろうね。
何なの、このカースト制度w
417名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HfbuHX9S02023/07/01(土) 02:22:52.61
香川照之の醜聞のときなんか迷惑とかバカにするようなこと言っちゃって自分の記事が出たら後に引けなくなったのでは
419名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:a5FR0iGk02023/07/01(土) 02:23:59.89
物的証拠を抑えられたから吐いただけとしか
420名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HfbuHX9S02023/07/01(土) 02:24:09.97
西部邁のやつもあんなんふつうに殺人なのに幇助でまとめたからな
許されない
許されない
423名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jxRcgxAb02023/07/01(土) 02:26:11.19
幇助では無さそうだな
425名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ERYA8wPT02023/07/01(土) 02:26:26.65
この人自身は薬以外の何かしてたのかな
両親にビニール袋被せたのなら数十錠の薬程度じゃ死ねないことくらいわかってただろ
両親にビニール袋被せたのなら数十錠の薬程度じゃ死ねないことくらいわかってただろ
427名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GWoPIP5Y02023/07/01(土) 02:27:09.84
ホモバレが怖くて両親殺したんだろアリバイ作りに自分も自殺したフリしてマネージャーに協力してもらったんじゃねえのか
432名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:coBAHLkC0
>>427
ホモバレはしてたらしい
ホモバレはしてたらしい
428名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HfbuHX9S02023/07/01(土) 02:27:57.54
死因はビニール
430名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:j1hkbInK02023/07/01(土) 02:28:56.67
ティッシュ鼻に突っ込んだほうが早くね？
438名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:3kF7q7eO0
>>430
窒息だと、身体に明らかな異変が出るから無理と知っていたとか。
米の刑事ドラマによくあるやん、「瞼の裏に点状出血があり、窒息を意味する」なんてセリフがCSI科学捜査班に何度もw
窒息だと、身体に明らかな異変が出るから無理と知っていたとか。
米の刑事ドラマによくあるやん、「瞼の裏に点状出血があり、窒息を意味する」なんてセリフがCSI科学捜査班に何度もw
433名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:HfbuHX9S02023/07/01(土) 02:32:10.01
本人一人で決めたことなんかねえ
ヤクザかカルトかホモマネが裏でシナリオ書いて指示だの誘導だのしてないの？
梨園の力で戦える他家より変な支援者ついてそうだし金とか利権とか興行とか色々絡むし
ヤクザかカルトかホモマネが裏でシナリオ書いて指示だの誘導だのしてないの？
梨園の力で戦える他家より変な支援者ついてそうだし金とか利権とか興行とか色々絡むし
439名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Q/X8rFFf0
>>433
それだと思う。
父親には生きてて欲しかった気配を感じるから。
自殺する時間が遅いから。
家の終わりを意味するから、猿之助が最後まで迷ったのかなという気がする。
発見される直前ならば、重症で生きてた可能性もある時間みたいだし。
それだと思う。
父親には生きてて欲しかった気配を感じるから。
自殺する時間が遅いから。
家の終わりを意味するから、猿之助が最後まで迷ったのかなという気がする。
発見される直前ならば、重症で生きてた可能性もある時間みたいだし。
444名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:b6v1rrIg0
>>439
ゴミ捨て複数回てのはそれなのかなとは思った
母親と父親でかなり時間差があるのかなと
ゴミ捨て複数回てのはそれなのかなとは思った
母親と父親でかなり時間差があるのかなと
471名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Q/X8rFFf0
>>444
ゴミを捨ててる時間は睡眠薬が効いていない時刻。
でも両親は自殺して死んでるんだっけ？
心中というにはあまりにも別行動で変。
ゴミを捨ててる時間は睡眠薬が効いていない時刻。
でも両親は自殺して死んでるんだっけ？
心中というにはあまりにも別行動で変。
434名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Lkm9MdKa02023/07/01(土) 02:32:34.16
両親が遺書残さずに
自殺してるのが謎すぎるわ
自殺してるのが謎すぎるわ
459名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:K43zKTih0
>>434
この意見がよくわからん
もう仕事の現場から離れた老人なんだから遺書って肉親に対するものしか残さない気がする
(遺言状は別)
唯一の肉親の一人息子も死ぬ予定なら両親は遺書残さなくても何ら不思議じゃない
この意見がよくわからん
もう仕事の現場から離れた老人なんだから遺書って肉親に対するものしか残さない気がする
(遺言状は別)
唯一の肉親の一人息子も死ぬ予定なら両親は遺書残さなくても何ら不思議じゃない
496名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Lkm9MdKa0
>>459
この意見がよくわからん
一般人で感覚で歌舞伎界を語られてもねぇ～
この意見がよくわからん
一般人で感覚で歌舞伎界を語られてもねぇ～
501名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Lkm9MdKa0
>>459
もう仕事の現場から離れた老人なんだから
もう仕事の現場から離れた老人なんだから
だから一般人じゃないって言ってんだよ、間抜けｗ
510名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Lkm9MdKa0
>>459
>唯一の肉親の一人息子も死ぬ予定なら両親は遺書残さなくても何ら不思議じゃない
>唯一の肉親の一人息子も死ぬ予定なら両親は遺書残さなくても何ら不思議じゃない
その肉親も死ぬんだから
他の人間に遺書残すだろ普通
569名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:llzZW2nS0
>>510
何のための遺書？
普通と言うなら75歳以上での自殺者が遺書を残す割合ってどんくらい？
何のための遺書？
普通と言うなら75歳以上での自殺者が遺書を残す割合ってどんくらい？
435名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:b6v1rrIg02023/07/01(土) 02:33:52.82
なんつーかバレたバレてないというよりは週刊誌でこうも細かく書かれるのはまた違うわな
生々しいことかなり書いてあったのだし広まっちゃうレベルが桁違いかと
生々しいことかなり書いてあったのだし広まっちゃうレベルが桁違いかと
仕事も舞台に映画にあの当時ですら控えてるとなるとダメージは絶大だよねジャニーズ騒動の最中だったし
436名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:14/IRAQA02023/07/01(土) 02:34:27.31
半沢直樹の時は伊佐山かっこよかった
岸辺露伴の快演もよかった 悪い夢であって欲しい
岸辺露伴の快演もよかった 悪い夢であって欲しい
442名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hA0RI0bj0
>>436
詫びろ詫びろ
詫びろ詫びろ
437名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:bSbM9aSG02023/07/01(土) 02:34:30.85
でも窒息死ではないんだよね？
そうするとこれって殺人未遂にならないの？
そうするとこれって殺人未遂にならないの？
441名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LMCUz0gD02023/07/01(土) 02:37:16.21
Sat’s Jin じゃん
443名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:RUoIq7W002023/07/01(土) 02:37:36.09
両親薬は本当に自主的に飲んだのか？
451名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qvpIDG4J0
>>443
何かに混ぜて飲まされたんだろうな
何かに混ぜて飲まされたんだろうな
445名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:14/IRAQA02023/07/01(土) 02:38:20.35
何でここまで勝ち組で目黒区の豪邸で
暁星小中高校卒から慶應文学部AO入試
歌舞伎の世界でも重宝されて、一握りの芸能界でも
成功と活躍出来て、たくさんの芸能人とも交流ある
お金に困ってた訳でもないのに、たかだか週刊誌の
報道くらいでその全てを失う理由に繋がる？
暁星小中高校卒から慶應文学部AO入試
歌舞伎の世界でも重宝されて、一握りの芸能界でも
成功と活躍出来て、たくさんの芸能人とも交流ある
お金に困ってた訳でもないのに、たかだか週刊誌の
報道くらいでその全てを失う理由に繋がる？
雑誌映画ドラマCMバラエティ番組、歌舞伎と舞台
何でここまで華やかな経歴があるのに
自分にはこの人の行いが理解出来ない…
生まれた星の元は選べないから親を憎むのかな？親ガチャ？
446名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:INf5Zghe02023/07/01(土) 02:38:47.24
珍しくYouTubeコメントもヤフコメも5ちゃんねるも(自分調べ)9割方『これ両親に対してｻﾂｼﾞﾝだろ』って意見でまとまってるけど、ここからどうやって上級減刑に持っていく計画なのかね？
一般人なら極刑もあるパターンだけど、この国は上級国民限定で特別措置があるからな
447名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yC1hisUT02023/07/01(土) 02:38:49.34
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448名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5SHnxYzX02023/07/01(土) 02:39:39.31
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449名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:UpZdjOpY02023/07/01(土) 02:39:57.45
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