103名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kNvAwcCp02023/07/01(土) 00:35:50.28
歌舞伎＝殺人
104あID:XgB2Uawi02023/07/01(土) 00:35:58.05
仕留める気満々？
107名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sZzSPt8z02023/07/01(土) 00:37:19.27
100均の養生テープは薄いから注意が必要
108名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8CB+QKxW02023/07/01(土) 00:37:24.77
もう殺す気マンマンじゃん
109名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XbVksuxm02023/07/01(土) 00:37:28.59
えっ結局真っ黒ってこと？
112名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:o30+Wx/202023/07/01(土) 00:37:46.59
きっと朝起きていれたての良い匂いのコーヒーの中に薬を入れ
そのまま2人が意識が飛んでビニール袋被せたのかもなぁ
そのまま2人が意識が飛んでビニール袋被せたのかもなぁ
もし、そうならご両親可哀想
151名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NZ4QNx1Q0
>>112
>>115
状況からすると事件があったのは夜だろ
声がしたのは通報の１時間くらい前だから関係者じゃね
>>115
状況からすると事件があったのは夜だろ
声がしたのは通報の１時間くらい前だから関係者じゃね
174名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:o30+Wx/20
>>151
朝マネージャーが来た10時頃には母親は死後硬直あり
父親は意識不明
10時で死後硬直なら無くなったのは朝の8時頃か
朝マネージャーが来た10時頃には母親は死後硬直あり
父親は意識不明
10時で死後硬直なら無くなったのは朝の8時頃か
202名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NZ4QNx1Q0
>>174
２時間ならまだ死後硬直が始まる頃
２時間ならまだ死後硬直が始まる頃
113名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eWoRPVpx02023/07/01(土) 00:37:48.44
自殺(心中)のはずなのに
証拠隠滅とは、これいかに？w
証拠隠滅とは、これいかに？w
114名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:80846iXv02023/07/01(土) 00:38:29.40
歌舞伎ファンだけど、これは
なんも言えない
ひたすら、なぜ？の嵐（古いよねすまん）
なんも言えない
ひたすら、なぜ？の嵐（古いよねすまん）
115名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:KMwprLie02023/07/01(土) 00:38:35.67
朝方、女性の喚き声が聞こえたと言うから週刊誌の報道を見た母親が息子に詰問したんだろ
そこで息子は「父さん、母さん、これ飲んで落ち着きなよ。」と薬入りの飲み物を飲ませたと
二人が寝た所で顔にビニールを被せ更にテープを貼り窒息死させたと
一般庶民なら問答無用で殺人罪で起訴される案件だろ
自民党繋がりの上級国民はこれでも殺人に問われないと
そこで息子は「父さん、母さん、これ飲んで落ち着きなよ。」と薬入りの飲み物を飲ませたと
二人が寝た所で顔にビニールを被せ更にテープを貼り窒息死させたと
一般庶民なら問答無用で殺人罪で起訴される案件だろ
自民党繋がりの上級国民はこれでも殺人に問われないと
125名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:80846iXv0
>>115
発見時ですでに死後硬直はじまってたっていうから、それはないのではないかとおもう
発見時ですでに死後硬直はじまってたっていうから、それはないのではないかとおもう
151名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NZ4QNx1Q0
>>112
>>115
状況からすると事件があったのは夜だろ
声がしたのは通報の１時間くらい前だから関係者じゃね
>>115
状況からすると事件があったのは夜だろ
声がしたのは通報の１時間くらい前だから関係者じゃね
174名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:o30+Wx/20
>>151
朝マネージャーが来た10時頃には母親は死後硬直あり
父親は意識不明
10時で死後硬直なら無くなったのは朝の8時頃か
朝マネージャーが来た10時頃には母親は死後硬直あり
父親は意識不明
10時で死後硬直なら無くなったのは朝の8時頃か
202名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NZ4QNx1Q0
>>174
２時間ならまだ死後硬直が始まる頃
２時間ならまだ死後硬直が始まる頃
116名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:O45aqXxY02023/07/01(土) 00:38:38.32
キラー仮面
118名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YF6oS1zm02023/07/01(土) 00:38:45.07
『市川猿之助奮闘歌舞伎公演』」
昼の部 午前11時30分～
昼の部 午前11時30分～
18日午前10時20分頃、マネージャーが
迎えに来んの遅過ぎだろ
やっぱ9時の女性悲鳴はマネージャーだよな？
救急車呼ぶまで約1時間何してた？
しかも朝7時に猿之助が休むと松竹に
電話して猿之助宅に来るのも遅すぎる
主役がドタキャンしたら普通何事かと
飛んで来るだろ
何もかも胡散臭い
172名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:NZ4QNx1Q0
>>118
7時 猿之助が休むと電話
8時 男女マネが猿之助宅を訪問、猿之助の様子がおかしい
9時 猿之助から両親が死んだと聞かされマネがリビングへ、悲鳴
マネ、パニックで事務所に電話
どうすればいい！？どうすればいい！？
10時 通報
7時 猿之助が休むと電話
8時 男女マネが猿之助宅を訪問、猿之助の様子がおかしい
9時 猿之助から両親が死んだと聞かされマネがリビングへ、悲鳴
マネ、パニックで事務所に電話
どうすればいい！？どうすればいい！？
10時 通報
こんな感じかもしれん
たんなる予想にすぎんが
308名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MwKiLv0j0
>>172
前から気になってたけど通報までの時間長過ぎるよね
猿之助の状態考えたら秒で通報しそうなもんなのに
前から気になってたけど通報までの時間長過ぎるよね
猿之助の状態考えたら秒で通報しそうなもんなのに
323名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VbL+IbPs0
>>308
玄関の鍵あいてた家に到着してからリビング発見まで1時間てなぁ
玄関からリビングスルーして猿がいた地下へピンポイントで行くのも考えづらいし
玄関の鍵あいてた家に到着してからリビング発見まで1時間てなぁ
玄関からリビングスルーして猿がいた地下へピンポイントで行くのも考えづらいし
383名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Q/X8rFFf0
>>323
普通に考えたら、最初に地下にいる猿之助を探したのでしょう。
迎えに来たマネージャーなんだから。
普通に考えたら、最初に地下にいる猿之助を探したのでしょう。
迎えに来たマネージャーなんだから。
２階にリビングがあるということは、勝手口も2階にある2世帯住宅のような間取りのはず。
2階は両親の個人スペースで許可がないと入らないのでは。
特に朝なんて用事でもないと訪問者の方から声をかけないはず。
294名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YF6oS1zm0
>>172
8時 男女マネが猿之助宅を訪問、猿之助の様子がおかしい
8時 男女マネが猿之助宅を訪問、猿之助の様子がおかしい
もし8時に訪問したら２階リビングにも
行くし親倒れてたら直ぐに救急車呼ぶわ
10時過ぎまで救急車呼ばないのは有り得ん
119名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ocmNsoSh02023/07/01(土) 00:39:01.96
こないだ久々に養生テープ買いに行ったら
逆にあの黄緑みたいな色はなかったわ
逆にあの黄緑みたいな色はなかったわ
120名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fac9p6GX02023/07/01(土) 00:39:27.06
何回もごみ捨て行って証拠消してるくせに自殺方法を調べた履歴は残ってんのが逆に怪しく思えてくるんだよなぁ
153名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:n6R/gT3s0
>>120
睡眠導入剤で自殺ってググったら数千錠飲まないと死ねないって出るのになぜその方法を取ったかだよな
睡眠導入剤で自殺ってググったら数千錠飲まないと死ねないって出るのになぜその方法を取ったかだよな
161名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tb+t3Qxj0
>>120へのレスでした
すみません
すみません
181名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:80846iXv0
>>120
スマホであれPCであれ、検索履歴って自分で消したとしても、本気で捜査となれば簡単に分かるよ
スマホであれPCであれ、検索履歴って自分で消したとしても、本気で捜査となれば簡単に分かるよ
150名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XbVksuxm0
>>120
怪しいってどういうこと？
怪しいってどういうこと？
160名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fac9p6GX0
>>150
自分はちゃんと自殺する気があったんだぞアピール
自分はちゃんと自殺する気があったんだぞアピール
157名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Z6tOeYM10
>>150
あえて、自殺に関する履歴を残すことで、自殺だと思わせようとしてるって意味じゃね
あえて、自殺に関する履歴を残すことで、自殺だと思わせようとしてるって意味じゃね
189名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XbVksuxm0
>>157
両親がジサツ方法を調べたと見せかけるためにわざと残したってことで合ってる？
へーよく気がつくなあ
両親がジサツ方法を調べたと見せかけるためにわざと残したってことで合ってる？
へーよく気がつくなあ
121名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:g5f1VpuM02023/07/01(土) 00:39:27.91
恥ずいからあんまり書くべきじゃないんだろうが
失敗したころ母親に「一緒に死のうか？」って言われた
でも母親は一緒に死ぬ気はなかった
あとで判明
もう一回死にたくなったけど
あの気分悪さは二度とごめん。
凍死用に保存してあるが、実行に移せないでいる。夏になった
失敗したころ母親に「一緒に死のうか？」って言われた
でも母親は一緒に死ぬ気はなかった
あとで判明
もう一回死にたくなったけど
あの気分悪さは二度とごめん。
凍死用に保存してあるが、実行に移せないでいる。夏になった
122名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1FGobJQH02023/07/01(土) 00:39:30.25
殺しとるやん
123名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kMHI9gsy02023/07/01(土) 00:39:39.29
警察は、向精神薬中毒って断定したんだっけ？断定まではしていないよね。
ただ窒息だったら検視で何かしら確認できてそうだけどな。
ただ窒息だったら検視で何かしら確認できてそうだけどな。
131名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/NgHTicV0
>>123
向精神薬中毒の疑いだねあくまでも
ビニール攻撃による窒息死を疑うほうが自然だと思うが
向精神薬中毒の疑いだねあくまでも
ビニール攻撃による窒息死を疑うほうが自然だと思うが
124名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0ZujX5in02023/07/01(土) 00:39:42.41
猟奇的な彼氏
126名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:O/sc7W4e02023/07/01(土) 00:39:56.61
隠蔽すると余計に罪が重くなる
合わせ技一本あるか？
合わせ技一本あるか？
127名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8CB+QKxW02023/07/01(土) 00:40:02.61
養生テープさんかわいそう
こんな事に使われるなんて
こんな事に使われるなんて
128名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1FGobJQH02023/07/01(土) 00:40:09.91
首吊り自殺はできなかったくせに証拠隠滅はしっかりやってる
134名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:g5f1VpuM0
>>128
そこである意味、正気に戻ったのかもな
一気にやらないと絶対に失敗する
そこである意味、正気に戻ったのかもな
一気にやらないと絶対に失敗する
130!ninjaID:rZ1IaAhJ02023/07/01(土) 00:40:51.45
これサツジン
132名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7Rq+ZE8R02023/07/01(土) 00:41:53.78
認知症の父親が仮に一家心中に同意してたとしても
それが本人の自発的な意思だと認定できるのか？
それが本人の自発的な意思だと認定できるのか？
133名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xzJF4ejv02023/07/01(土) 00:41:59.52
もし自分の子がなんらかの事情で本当に絶望して、もう死ぬしかないってなったら、じゃあ一緒に死んであげるって万一の可能性で言うかも
だけどその原因が他人様に迷惑をかけてなんだったら、死ぬのは間違っている、一緒に罪を償おうって言うかな
だけどその原因が他人様に迷惑をかけてなんだったら、死ぬのは間違っている、一緒に罪を償おうって言うかな
147名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:o30+Wx/20
>>133
息子は当然でも夫も歌舞伎役者で関係者がご贔屓筋はいただろうし
自殺するのに遺書が無いというのもおかしいよねえ
息子は当然でも夫も歌舞伎役者で関係者がご贔屓筋はいただろうし
自殺するのに遺書が無いというのもおかしいよねえ
242名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gxbZByP+0
>>147
そう、お母さんにまともな判断能力があってそれでも死を選んだなら、遺書は書くと思うんだよなあ
遺書を書くことも思いつかない精神状態だとすれば、判断能力がない？自殺幇助は？？って素人には思える
そう、お母さんにまともな判断能力があってそれでも死を選んだなら、遺書は書くと思うんだよなあ
遺書を書くことも思いつかない精神状態だとすれば、判断能力がない？自殺幇助は？？って素人には思える
135名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7hSqkcKc02023/07/01(土) 00:42:03.68
上級だとここまで忖度されるんだな。
法律なんて意味ないね。
法律なんて意味ないね。
136名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kC5SkrFg02023/07/01(土) 00:42:43.39
殺人だなあ。教唆ではないなあ。
137名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kWq1XKHT02023/07/01(土) 00:42:49.74
母親に関しては自殺幇助容疑で逮捕だが、父親に対してはもっと重たい容疑掛けられてんだろう
恐らく実刑まで持っていかれるだろうな
恐らく実刑まで持っていかれるだろうな
142名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:21FCRqNN0
>>137
えーお母さん可哀想すぎる
殺されて不名誉なままなんて浮かばれない
えーお母さん可哀想すぎる
殺されて不名誉なままなんて浮かばれない
138名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:21FCRqNN02023/07/01(土) 00:43:06.00
これが自殺幇助なら京アニも秋葉原もやまゆりもいけただろ
実は自殺の手助けを頼まれてただけなんですよって
実は自殺の手助けを頼まれてただけなんですよって
139名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YF6oS1zm02023/07/01(土) 00:43:18.17
まともな国民が自殺幇助で納得すると
思ったら大間違い
こんなんテレビしか見とらん婆さんでも
猿之助が親を殺したと言うてる
自殺幇助は無理があり過ぎ
思ったら大間違い
こんなんテレビしか見とらん婆さんでも
猿之助が親を殺したと言うてる
自殺幇助は無理があり過ぎ
141名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CAJKgeV702023/07/01(土) 00:43:55.98
殺人事件ぽいね
144名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:l2lntJ6I02023/07/01(土) 00:44:14.77
これはコロシですよコロシ
146名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:o/n31b0d02023/07/01(土) 00:44:24.16
警察も検察も本人を詰めてない
一体どこからの圧力なんだろな
一体どこからの圧力なんだろな
こんな前列は社会的にも良くない
幇助のスジでコロし出すのが必ず出て来る
170名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:80846iXv0
>>146
詰めてるでしょう
というか、これからでは？
公判で確実にいけるように証拠がために時間がかかった、という記事を読んだけど
むしろやる気満々なんだと思うけどね
詰めてるでしょう
というか、これからでは？
公判で確実にいけるように証拠がために時間がかかった、という記事を読んだけど
むしろやる気満々なんだと思うけどね
148名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/eE6zB3k02023/07/01(土) 00:45:01.90
281 名無しさん＠恐縮です[] 2023/06/30(金) 21:57:57.04 ID:yQ5/96XH0
これ
これ
0691 重要無名文化財 2023/06/20(火) 01:37:16.17
猿之助が鶴瓶のスジナシ(脚本無しの即興劇)にゲストで出てた時の芝居のセリフから抜粋。
予めの脚本等無しらしいんだが、これ怖く無いか？
以下、猿之助のセリフ(本人自分で即興劇リードしてた)。
自分がいかなる犠牲を払ってもこの宗教に犠牲を注げると言う事で宜しいでしょうか？
覚悟は決まりました。鶴瓶さん僕と一緒に潔く終りましょう。
思えば我々に足りない物は大いなる犠牲でした。
(中略)
宗教と言う物は万人の心を掴む為には大いなる犠牲を払って来た。
(中略)
もし僕らがここで警察に捕まってしまったら、汚名を被せられた信者達は生きる道を失う。
だけど、僕達がここで共に自ら命を絶てば同情と言う物が生まれる。
同と言う物は、世論をひっくり返すのが一番の良い鍵だ。
今我々は悪者だ。
でも、僕達2人が互いに命を絶つ事によって世論は一気に変わり、
我々は弾圧されたと言う事で絶対に世論が我々の味方になる。
そうすれば、残された信者達は民衆に保護されて生き続ける。
(鶴瓶)「分かりました。貴方から先に逝って下さい。」
184名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:YF6oS1zm0
>>148
自分の都合の良いように宗教解釈し過ぎ
歪んだ解釈で自分を正当化する汚い奴
そんな奴に国民が騙されると思ってんのかよ
同情する気など微塵もないわ
あるのは軽蔑だけ
自分の都合の良いように宗教解釈し過ぎ
歪んだ解釈で自分を正当化する汚い奴
そんな奴に国民が騙されると思ってんのかよ
同情する気など微塵もないわ
あるのは軽蔑だけ
204名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:llzZW2nS0
>>184
嘱託殺人までランクアップするかなー
嘱託殺人までランクアップするかなー
156名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tb+t3Qxj0
>>148
スマホの履歴って消しても戻せるんだよ
動画も画像も
スマホの履歴って消しても戻せるんだよ
動画も画像も
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