200名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FKOFYwrm02023/06/29(木) 10:55:51.93
トランスの心境は分からんが
レズとかゲイってレズは男にゲイは女に憎悪を持ってる場合が多い
レズは現実的に暴力で男を屈服させにくいが
トランスした男が女の競技に出ることはこの根本の憎悪をぶつけられるって事だ
闇を感じるんだが
レズとかゲイってレズは男にゲイは女に憎悪を持ってる場合が多い
レズは現実的に暴力で男を屈服させにくいが
トランスした男が女の競技に出ることはこの根本の憎悪をぶつけられるって事だ
闇を感じるんだが
201名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:e00gUjV902023/06/29(木) 10:56:14.82
遺伝的に性差によって筋肉量のデフォルトが違うんだから、体の性差で分けるのは当然のこと。
203名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2BgEymd102023/06/29(木) 10:56:22.59
ジェンダーギャップ指数がーとか言ってやつは、
もちろん反対しないよな？
男女混合スポーツこそ理想だよな？
もちろん反対しないよな？
男女混合スポーツこそ理想だよな？
204名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GX4ju7Y+02023/06/29(木) 10:56:36.62
ポリコレ同士の争い
ネトウヨ対パヨク
ワク信対反ワク
並の醜い争いになると思う
207名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7PM+y5np02023/06/29(木) 10:56:57.84
もちろん玉取ってるんだよな？
208名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:341YHoWZ02023/06/29(木) 10:57:03.79
ルシア・ライカって全人類女性最強とまで言われた女性キックボクサーがムエタイの男性選手と対戦したら
大人と子どもとかいうレベルじゃないぐらい圧倒的にボコボコにされて負けたからな
アレ見たら女は男に絶対勝てないってバカでもわかるぐらいのショッキングな試合
大人と子どもとかいうレベルじゃないぐらい圧倒的にボコボコにされて負けたからな
アレ見たら女は男に絶対勝てないってバカでもわかるぐらいのショッキングな試合
217名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:sAQLvgwL0
>>208
ミリオンダラーベイビーに出てた人やなそれ
ミリオンダラーベイビーに出てた人やなそれ
210名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:P9G++dwI02023/06/29(木) 10:57:06.97
命の危険？
ボクシングの試合ってみんなそうだろ
性別の問題にするな
タイソンと対戦した奴はみんな命の危険を感じていたんだよ
ボクシングの試合ってみんなそうだろ
性別の問題にするな
タイソンと対戦した奴はみんな命の危険を感じていたんだよ
212名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gJICmXjO02023/06/29(木) 10:57:22.62
これは当然だわな
男性部門
女性部門
トランス男性部門
トランス女性部門
でやるべき
男性部門
女性部門
トランス男性部門
トランス女性部門
でやるべき
235名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:L0SDXA8q0
>>212
その方が正確なデータが取れていいな
その方が正確なデータが取れていいな
213名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ujnpjKMK02023/06/29(木) 10:57:40.41
自認と自称の違いが、うまく説明できないな
214名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:SD2D/JhD02023/06/29(木) 10:57:41.14
男女は色々違うんだよ
なのになんでもっかんでも平等にしろってやった結果がこれ
違うもんは違うんだから線引きしなきゃ行けないのにそういうの無視した運動するから
なのになんでもっかんでも平等にしろってやった結果がこれ
違うもんは違うんだから線引きしなきゃ行けないのにそういうの無視した運動するから
216名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QfbkCCEO02023/06/29(木) 10:58:03.09
ギャビってテストステロン的にはどうなんだろ
女は女だけどオリンピックに出れるのか出れないのか
女は女だけどオリンピックに出れるのか出れないのか
218名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iJ4MrSvV02023/06/29(木) 10:58:49.84
というか心と身体は別物で考えないかんよ。
219名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GX4ju7Y+02023/06/29(木) 10:58:52.33
女も男並みの給料や地上波でニュース取り上げろーって主張してたなでしことか
トランス女性入ってきたらどういう反応するのかな
トランス女性入ってきたらどういう反応するのかな
355名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MIP0NE9t0
>>219
ワールドカップ優勝したのにエコノミーなのはさすがにどうなのかと
ワールドカップ優勝したのにエコノミーなのはさすがにどうなのかと
367名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+lEAMTTr0
>>355
女子サッカーはお金にならないから仕方ないね
女子サッカーはお金にならないから仕方ないね
221名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rKP1giJr02023/06/29(木) 10:59:09.42
スポーツに関しては心は関係ない
身体の性別で判断するべき
身体の性別で判断するべき
266名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iUIdnJCf0
>>221
そうしたいところなんだが、スポーツの世界でセックスチェック徹底したらセメンヤみたいな病気の人の強制アウティングが起きて大問題になったから難しい
確か80年代くらい
そうしたいところなんだが、スポーツの世界でセックスチェック徹底したらセメンヤみたいな病気の人の強制アウティングが起きて大問題になったから難しい
確か80年代くらい
277名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9Uy6Q5s60
>>266
そういう極めて稀な事例に対しては個別対応で何とかできるだろうし、場合によっては諦めて頂く必要もあるだろう。
その為に一般化までする必要のある様な話ではないと思う。
そういう極めて稀な事例に対しては個別対応で何とかできるだろうし、場合によっては諦めて頂く必要もあるだろう。
その為に一般化までする必要のある様な話ではないと思う。
302名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iUIdnJCf0
>>277
海外でも日本でも嫁入り前の女が実は性器のない男だとか新聞や雑誌が公表し本人や家族を面白おかしく叩きまくり競技が続けられなくなった事例が沢山ある
大きな人権侵害だな
海外でも日本でも嫁入り前の女が実は性器のない男だとか新聞や雑誌が公表し本人や家族を面白おかしく叩きまくり競技が続けられなくなった事例が沢山ある
大きな人権侵害だな
330名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9Uy6Q5s60
>>302
沢山というのが年間何例ぐらいを指しているのか分からんけど、その為に一般女子選手を犠牲にする必要までは無い。
沢山というのが年間何例ぐらいを指しているのか分からんけど、その為に一般女子選手を犠牲にする必要までは無い。
365名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iUIdnJCf0
>>330
お前セメンヤの件でもめちゃくちゃ揉めて何年も裁判してたの知らない？
スポーツ業界にとっては難しい話なんだよ
強制アウティングになるし選手の人生設計を狂わせる
お前セメンヤの件でもめちゃくちゃ揉めて何年も裁判してたの知らない？
スポーツ業界にとっては難しい話なんだよ
強制アウティングになるし選手の人生設計を狂わせる
393名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9Uy6Q5s60
>>365
だからそれを正に「個別対応」と言ってるんでしょ。一般化なんてしなくて良いのよ。
だからそれを正に「個別対応」と言ってるんでしょ。一般化なんてしなくて良いのよ。
439名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iUIdnJCf0
>>393
主旨読み取れてない？
協会が個人に対するアウティングで訴えられる側になって裁判起こされるしいくつもの公判維持できないから肉体的性別で区別できなくなったって歴史的背景話してるんだが全く知らないだろ
主旨読み取れてない？
協会が個人に対するアウティングで訴えられる側になって裁判起こされるしいくつもの公判維持できないから肉体的性別で区別できなくなったって歴史的背景話してるんだが全く知らないだろ
533名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9Uy6Q5s60
>>439
セメンヤの場合は明確に身体的な異常があったわけでしょう。
ここで話題になっているのは身体的には全く問題無く男性で、心だけが女性だと主張している様な人。
そんなものを同様に扱いはじめたらぐちゃぐちゃになるに決まってるじゃん。
セメンヤの場合は明確に身体的な異常があったわけでしょう。
ここで話題になっているのは身体的には全く問題無く男性で、心だけが女性だと主張している様な人。
そんなものを同様に扱いはじめたらぐちゃぐちゃになるに決まってるじゃん。
590名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iUIdnJCf0
>>533
だから最初から言ってるが
人は嘘をつく生き物で心がどうとかいう男が女のふりをして試合出場出来てしまう
だから協会側が試合出場に当たりセックスチェックをしっかりやろうとするとセメンヤの様なインターセックスがあぶり出されて強制アウティングになってしまうって現実の話をしている
だから最初から言ってるが
人は嘘をつく生き物で心がどうとかいう男が女のふりをして試合出場出来てしまう
だから協会側が試合出場に当たりセックスチェックをしっかりやろうとするとセメンヤの様なインターセックスがあぶり出されて強制アウティングになってしまうって現実の話をしている
608名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9Uy6Q5s60
>>590
>セメンヤの様なインターセックスがあぶり出されて強制アウティング
>セメンヤの様なインターセックスがあぶり出されて強制アウティング
そこで個別対応に移れば良い。
何も問題は無いとは言わんけど仕方が無い事は仕方が無いと受け入れる必要はあるよ。
689名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:iUIdnJCf0
>>608
いやいや
個別個別って人の話を聞いてくれ
インターセックス(性分化疾患)の割合ってお前が思ってるより多い
特に女子スポーツ界においては格段に跳ね上がる。これは想像力あれば当たり前だって気づくけど
いやいや
個別個別って人の話を聞いてくれ
インターセックス(性分化疾患)の割合ってお前が思ってるより多い
特に女子スポーツ界においては格段に跳ね上がる。これは想像力あれば当たり前だって気づくけど
で、肉体的性別で男女の出場カテゴリを明確化しようとするとインターセックスあぶり出しになり大問題になって継続できなくなったんだって
アナイス・ボウオン
『スポーツ競技における女性性確認検査（性別確認検査）－ X 分類＊の歴史－』って文献読んでみろ
222名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7PM+y5np02023/06/29(木) 10:59:32.69
青木歌音って元男の子YouTuber居るんだけど、玉取っても遠投68メートルとか116ｋｍの直球とかすげーよな。
223名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MDe4wAac02023/06/29(木) 10:59:52.02
♂の身体持ってんのに♀と戦わせろとかふざけてるわ
224名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DBrA6P7h02023/06/29(木) 10:59:59.64
でも体重は合わせてるんだろ？あとはただの個人差じゃね？
226名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LvLJD+QB02023/06/29(木) 11:00:10.54
MMAで元男が女に負けたよねw
227名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8bjRRbV402023/06/29(木) 11:00:16.61
身長145cmくらいで、華奢で清楚系の顔立ちだけど一応Cカップありますみたいな、体は女だけど心はすごく男で、男らしく生きたいと思ってる17歳の奮闘記
誰か漫画化しろよ
やり方によってはヒットするやろ
誰か漫画化しろよ
やり方によってはヒットするやろ
241名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9Uy6Q5s60
>>227
ちょっと違うけど近いのなら「ノノノノ」
今では成立しない物語になっちゃったけど。
ちょっと違うけど近いのなら「ノノノノ」
今では成立しない物語になっちゃったけど。
228名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:GX4ju7Y+02023/06/29(木) 11:00:36.83
正直現代の女は調子乗りすぎだったから全く同情しない
229名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7DtyajFa02023/06/29(木) 11:00:55.63
性で差別するのはやめろって言ってたのは女性達では・・？
なぜトランスを差別するの？
なぜトランスを差別するの？
230名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:dJiYCEDZ02023/06/29(木) 11:00:57.42
そりゃ、ルーマの頭も怒るわ。
232名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xbp5hVsl02023/06/29(木) 11:01:32.23
トランス女性が女競技に参加して勝っても嬉しいのか？
って書き込む馬鹿がいるけど、それお前らが大好きな転生モノと何ら変わりないからなw
チートして俺つぇーーが気持ちいいヘタレのお前らの同族嫌悪なんだよ
233名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OYNQNPXh02023/06/29(木) 11:01:55.68
ストップひばりくんは早過ぎたな
234名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uVsDM1qI02023/06/29(木) 11:02:13.40
ソ連や中国の女性アスリートはキン肉マンだった
ステロイド使ってたからな
ＬＧＢＴに配慮して性別で分ける必要ｍ９無くなった
ステロイド使ってたからな
ＬＧＢＴに配慮して性別で分ける必要ｍ９無くなった
236名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QpV08Kgy02023/06/29(木) 11:02:17.23
トランスジェンダーって言われたら嫌だろうけど身体じゃなくて脳の問題だもんな
身体の性別で区別してるところに入っちゃいけないよ
身体の性別で区別してるところに入っちゃいけないよ
237名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:P9G++dwI02023/06/29(木) 11:02:17.61
ジェンダー平等を訴えたのは女なのに
こういう時は平等にするなとか
ずいぶん都合がよろしいことですなぁ
こういう時は平等にするなとか
ずいぶん都合がよろしいことですなぁ
282名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:y2+GUFP70
>>237
この人がジェンダー平等って訴えたの？そういう事言ってんのはクソフェミであって全ての女性ではないだろ。女嫌いもここまで拗れると病気だわ
この人がジェンダー平等って訴えたの？そういう事言ってんのはクソフェミであって全ての女性ではないだろ。女嫌いもここまで拗れると病気だわ
238名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:IMsg7AMa02023/06/29(木) 11:02:55.31
多様性と言いながらどう頑張ってもトランス男性が排除されてるんだもの
239名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EJqiIWja02023/06/29(木) 11:03:05.79
NYタイムズが9+をくれてますね
ヒューが旦那を優先、つまり渡辺の価値と
ヒューが旦那を優先、つまり渡辺の価値と
253名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EJqiIWja0
同調の強制はちょっとなｗ
まあ>>239がすべて
まあ>>239がすべて
247名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EJqiIWja0
>>239
渡辺の凄さ知らなかっただろう(´・ω・`)
渡辺の凄さ知らなかっただろう(´・ω・`)
240名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QfbkCCEO02023/06/29(木) 11:03:12.58
多様性の時代なんだから認めてあげないと
242名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OpIjR/na02023/06/29(木) 11:03:23.09
女が男に殴られるのを見たいほど趣味悪くねぇぞ
244名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ByjdKBOe02023/06/29(木) 11:03:41.17
オカマは全部死ね
245名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uVsDM1qI02023/06/29(木) 11:03:43.81
人類の発展のために
何でもおｋにすべき
何でもおｋにすべき
248名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:9fuZnVwq02023/06/29(木) 11:04:06.59
ど正論だな
しかし差別反対の名の下に正論が通用しないのがLGBTの世界なんだよな
差別をするくらいなら死んで下さいってか
しかし差別反対の名の下に正論が通用しないのがLGBTの世界なんだよな
差別をするくらいなら死んで下さいってか
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