250名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5HiivnKx02023/06/28(水) 17:04:12.15
昔みたいに加えタバコで仕事すればいい
251名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hHJpsqeH02023/06/28(水) 17:04:13.39
今どき自由に休憩取れないとか昭和のじじいか底辺ライン工かブラック企業だろ
252名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zgJvLPYG02023/06/28(水) 17:05:04.80
じゃあ座席で吸えるようにしよう！
253名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pVZjnDap02023/06/28(水) 17:06:09.64
＞「吸うやつに限って吸わない人がちょっと休憩してると『サボりだ』とかいちゃもんつけるし
いや、それは煙草吸ってないだけでサボりで間違いないですやん
254名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4OuZp+K302023/06/28(水) 17:09:28.30
休憩じゃなくて「サボり」
255名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Z9NbYluq02023/06/28(水) 17:11:17.85
潰瘍性大腸炎がキツかった時、タバコなしだと仕事で成果を上げるのは難しかった気がするけどな
ほとんど会社に泊まり込みで、顔面や指が勝手に動いたり、首にヘルニア出来たり尋常じゃない仕事量だったから
ほとんど会社に泊まり込みで、顔面や指が勝手に動いたり、首にヘルニア出来たり尋常じゃない仕事量だったから
256名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6UKFDs2402023/06/28(水) 17:12:28.52
俺も元喫煙者でタバコ休憩取りまくってけど
もうタバコやめたしタバコ休憩してる奴は給料から引いてやれ
もうタバコやめたしタバコ休憩してる奴は給料から引いてやれ
262名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:yfhePDrU0
>>256
じゃあ私的な雑談してる奴、私用のスマホチェックしてる奴、無駄に給水してる奴、トイレ行ってる奴、全てチェックしてカットしましょうねー
じゃあ私的な雑談してる奴、私用のスマホチェックしてる奴、無駄に給水してる奴、トイレ行ってる奴、全てチェックしてカットしましょうねー
300名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/3lo5C4R0
>>262
タバコ吸ってるやつは漏れなくそれらもカットされるからいいよw
タバコ吸ってるやつは漏れなくそれらもカットされるからいいよw
257名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Z/Sn48CA02023/06/28(水) 17:14:25.28
残業代関係ない管理職や、年俸制のやつは別にいいだろ
258名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hHJpsqeH02023/06/28(水) 17:14:56.93
今は労働時間じゃなくて成果だろ
無駄に長時間働いても給料上がらんて
無駄に長時間働いても給料上がらんて
261名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2tRqZCoB0
>>258
昼休憩もあるのに長時間って
どんだけやる気ないんだよ
昼休憩もあるのに長時間って
どんだけやる気ないんだよ
259名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VhkYFWDz02023/06/28(水) 17:16:02.60
人間の集中力ってたかがしれてるからタバコに限らず休憩を入れた方が生産性が高まるよ
278名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:086dH0WQ0
>>259
タバコがダメなら一切禁止が筋
タバコがダメなら一切禁止が筋
260名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+clsjzz102023/06/28(水) 17:16:05.42
そもそも臭いから迷惑なんだろ
263名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qgIflx4e02023/06/28(水) 17:18:10.75
俺の職場は移転するタイミングで全面禁煙になったけど
でも会社の周りで吸ってその吸い殻を社内のゴミ箱に捨ててる
アホが居て問題になった
でも会社の周りで吸ってその吸い殻を社内のゴミ箱に捨ててる
アホが居て問題になった
喫煙者って本当頭悪いよな
350名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hrSFERJc0
>>263
それの何が問題なん？
理解出来ないんだが
ポイ捨てせず持ち帰って捨ててるどこに問題がある？
それの何が問題なん？
理解出来ないんだが
ポイ捨てせず持ち帰って捨ててるどこに問題がある？
357名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:17RSUsQj0
>>350
会社のゴミ箱に捨てて火事にでもなったら責任取れんのかよ
さすがアホヤニカスだな
会社のゴミ箱に捨てて火事にでもなったら責任取れんのかよ
さすがアホヤニカスだな
359名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Q3M+bwXI0
>>357
喫煙所のタバコはどう処理してるのか
馬鹿だろお前ら
喫煙所のタバコはどう処理してるのか
馬鹿だろお前ら
369名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2FQUX5xX0
>>359
喫煙所は灰皿に水が入ってたり完全に消火される仕組みがある
そこに捨てずに直で可燃物が入ってるゴミ箱に捨てて完全に発火しないと言い切れるのか？
馬鹿はお前だよクソヤニカス
喫煙所は灰皿に水が入ってたり完全に消火される仕組みがある
そこに捨てずに直で可燃物が入ってるゴミ箱に捨てて完全に発火しないと言い切れるのか？
馬鹿はお前だよクソヤニカス
264名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/BxFRWXl02023/06/28(水) 17:19:27.70
世の中のホワイトカラーは仕事中にコーヒー買いに行ったりちょっとコンビニ行ったりしたらあかんのか？？
266名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Z9NbYluq02023/06/28(水) 17:20:08.33
潰瘍性大腸炎で症状悪化のリスクあるときは、タバコやニコチンパッチで抑えたほうが、生産性が高くなると思うわ
悪化したら入院だし会社は費用負担してくれん
入院先にまで客が来たこともあったけどw
悪化したら入院だし会社は費用負担してくれん
入院先にまで客が来たこともあったけどw
268名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/SF4G1pf02023/06/28(水) 17:21:16.68
社内のお互いが監視しあってる感じ
すごく苦手だわ
仕事が営業で本当に良かった
すごく苦手だわ
仕事が営業で本当に良かった
271名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6HxxzTMn0
>>268
そして営業車もGPSなど通信機能付きドライブレコーダーで
どこで何秒動いて何秒止まってるか逐一チェックされる、と
そして営業車もGPSなど通信機能付きドライブレコーダーで
どこで何秒動いて何秒止まってるか逐一チェックされる、と
270名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:d50kk/Zo02023/06/28(水) 17:28:41.80
これは賛成だね
アルコールも前日飲んでると次の日にベストパフォーマンス出ないから
休日の前以外は飲んだらダメってした方が良いだろ
アルコールも前日飲んでると次の日にベストパフォーマンス出ないから
休日の前以外は飲んだらダメってした方が良いだろ
272名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mqhYBfJw02023/06/28(水) 17:30:31.78
社員数人の零細勤務だと喫煙所や社内は毎日社員が掃除するのが普通だからそれが他社でも当たり前だと思ってんだろうな
273名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:J//lVTTi02023/06/28(水) 17:34:10.24
ヤニは体に悪いよと言っても聞かないからなぁ
274名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:V7Xpazmd02023/06/28(水) 17:35:39.41
タバコってYouTuberみたいだな
275名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:G9PvOBJU02023/06/28(水) 17:36:04.15
こういうポジションメスイキの代わりに汁王者になったん？
279名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Ht/e2N3l02023/06/28(水) 17:45:07.70
マジレスすると、タバコ休憩があるような会社は漏れなく、
他の人もちょこちょこ休憩ができてるからな
工場勤務なんて稼働中はタバコ休憩なんてあるわけねーんだし
他の人もちょこちょこ休憩ができてるからな
工場勤務なんて稼働中はタバコ休憩なんてあるわけねーんだし
280名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pgCHGmMF02023/06/28(水) 17:45:53.34
｢タバコ吸う奴の方が仕事ができる｣という不思議
ただ今の20代でタバコ吸ってるのは無能が多いかも
282名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:086dH0WQ0
>>280
それってあなたの感想ですよね
それってあなたの感想ですよね
281名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fKNoXfaH02023/06/28(水) 17:47:48.87
タバコ休憩嫌い
283名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:45uKTv4L02023/06/28(水) 17:49:25.13
タバコに関係なくちょこちょこ休憩とった方がいいと思うけどね
284名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:086dH0WQ0
>>283
タバコなら叩きやすいからな。サカ豚がやきうがーしてるのと同じ
タバコなら叩きやすいからな。サカ豚がやきうがーしてるのと同じ
286名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aHs7Uy850
>>283
休憩とったら余計しんどくなるわ
昼休憩後とかすげぇダルいし
休憩とったら余計しんどくなるわ
昼休憩後とかすげぇダルいし
288名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WiZqtvC10
>>286
お前はその間その辺走ってればいいだろ
お前はその間その辺走ってればいいだろ
291名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:45uKTv4L0
>>286
そんな長時間じゃなくて1時間に5分10分の休憩よ
そんな長時間じゃなくて1時間に5分10分の休憩よ
285名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:I5iP1POV02023/06/28(水) 17:52:08.43
タバコ休憩という言い方だけで
吸わない人も休憩するやろ
吸わない人も休憩するやろ
287名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kTrk+a/B02023/06/28(水) 17:53:56.19
タバコ休憩のおかげで、タバコ吸わない俺はその間スマホ見てたりお菓子食ったり寝てたり出来るんだから、寧ろタバコ様様よ
289名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lsBTWL8p02023/06/28(水) 17:54:37.52
タバコ部屋で人事も決まる
吸えばいいじゃん
吸えばいいじゃん
290名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zb2nC+KO02023/06/28(水) 17:54:46.43
今時たばこ吸ってる奴ってｗどんな底辺だよ
293名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:5kQ+WqXi0
>>290
そうか？むしろ毎日タバコ何箱も吸ってるやつってどんだけ銭持ってるんだと羨ましいけどな
そうか？むしろ毎日タバコ何箱も吸ってるやつってどんだけ銭持ってるんだと羨ましいけどな
1日1箱でも月15000円
3箱なら月45000円
金持ちの趣味になりつつあるぞ
実際は趣味どころか手癖に近いもんだから、他の趣味プラスこれだけ勝手に飛んでいくわけで
292名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rrUkPP1Q02023/06/28(水) 17:57:38.99
タバコ休憩取ってる人が居た方が
吸わないヤツも休憩取りやすいべ
吸わないヤツも休憩取りやすいべ
294名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gwfdSonu02023/06/28(水) 18:00:47.96
タバコ休憩はあっても良いと思うわ
ただタバコ休憩は休憩じゃないとか言い出すのが居るから
ややこしくなってるだけだと思う
ただタバコ休憩は休憩じゃないとか言い出すのが居るから
ややこしくなってるだけだと思う
タバコ吸わないやつも同じように
短時間休憩してもいいなら
不公平感はなくなるよ
295名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:G0yTsCC80
>>294
まぁ例えばほんとに打ち合わせつーかミーティングに近い形でそんときに吸ってるだけなら、仕事中に準じてるかもしれん
まぁ例えばほんとに打ち合わせつーかミーティングに近い形でそんときに吸ってるだけなら、仕事中に準じてるかもしれん
それを逆手にとってタバコ吸うてるかは休憩ねつってソシャゲで遊び出したらおいおいってなるかもしれん
298名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gwfdSonu0
>>295
打ち合わせ中やミーティングで
タバコ吸ってるときはタバコ休憩とは主張しないでしょ？
堂々と吸ってると思う
打ち合わせ中やミーティングで
タバコ吸ってるときはタバコ休憩とは主張しないでしょ？
堂々と吸ってると思う
ミーティング中にスマホやってたら
それはもう明らかにミーティング参加してないでしょ
そりゃダメだよ
会議中のような吸っても大丈夫だろう時の話じゃなくて
明らかに吸ってては駄目なときに吸いたいから
休憩するってのが論点でしょ
まあ今どきは会議中も喫煙厳しくなってきてるから
会議が上手く進まないときは
みんな休憩してリフレッシュするのも良いかもね
タバコ吸う人も吸わない人も同じように休憩
297名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mhJipBcL02023/06/28(水) 18:09:08.00
クソな一部の会社だろ
みんな一斉に休憩する会社やバラバラに休憩する会社があるし
みんな一斉に休憩する会社やバラバラに休憩する会社があるし
299名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/Lm6uhIq02023/06/28(水) 18:11:39.28
分かってないヤツ多いけど煙草の火を貸し借りすることでコミニケーションができたり有益な情報得れたり
仕事にそれが大きく役立つんだよ
仕事にそれが大きく役立つんだよ
302名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hX/2XzM70
>>299
老害かよw
老害かよw
306名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/Lm6uhIq0
>>302
なんでもかんでも老害とか言えばつじつま合うとか誤解すんなよな仕事はできるかできないかで判断しろってことだ
なんでもかんでも老害とか言えばつじつま合うとか誤解すんなよな仕事はできるかできないかで判断しろってことだ
303名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/3lo5C4R0
>>299
それ言うやつ多いよな
ただの屁理屈
それ言うやつ多いよな
ただの屁理屈
307名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/Lm6uhIq0
>>303
多いってことはそれだけ有効だってみんな知ってるんだよ仕事って部屋の中だけでできるとか勘違いしてないか?
多いってことはそれだけ有効だってみんな知ってるんだよ仕事って部屋の中だけでできるとか勘違いしてないか?
309名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/3lo5C4R0
>>307
いるわーこういう勘違いしてる老害
いるわーこういう勘違いしてる老害
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