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【MLB】「イチローは投手もできたけど、やらせてもらえなかったね」…一緒にプレーしたケン・グリフィー氏

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200名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IEm1EMDu02023/07/16(日) 14:03:49.29
まぁ現実はゲームのようにはいかないが
高校時代なら投手のパラメータも野手のパラメータも他より高いってことはままある
そんな奴らの一握りがプロに入ってどちらかのパラメータにガン振りするわけだから
プロに入ったら二刀流なんて通じるわけがない

ってのを一人でひっくり返した大谷っていう化け物

203名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IEm1EMDu02023/07/16(日) 14:05:39.18
例えて言えば振り分けられるポイント100をどっちに振るかって話だったはずなのに
何故か総合ポイント200で生まれてきた男大谷
205名無しさん@恐縮ですID:iKrHX51t02023/07/16(日) 14:08:11.73
イチローが登板してるのyoutubeで見た。
相手チームから大歓声があがっていた。
実況の解説者も、投げているのは40歳の外野手ですと笑いながらコメントしてた。
206名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FgmfEQBO02023/07/16(日) 14:11:34.84
そりゃ高校まで二刀流は結構いるけど
プロでやらせる球団自体なかったからな
大谷は無理を通してそれだけの結果も残してきた
207名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1ANJytKu02023/07/16(日) 14:12:23.80
逆に大谷が外野手やったら、とんでもない送球みれたかもな
208名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ONgio1j102023/07/16(日) 14:12:29.92
さすけn
209名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IEm1EMDu02023/07/16(日) 14:12:35.22
松坂桑田はセンスがあったとは言われてるが
投手専念だったのに20代のうちに壊れてしまった
桑田はダイビングで肘が止めを刺され、松坂は15勝15敗の年に壊れた
それもあってか最近は選手が大事に使われてる
210名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/OhAPCoI02023/07/16(日) 14:15:03.08
イチロー語録にハズレなし

「翔平は誰が見ても世界一の才能とよく聞きますし、僕もそう思います。」

212名無しさん@恐縮ですID:CIQ4tndX02023/07/16(日) 14:21:11.59
二刀流の元祖は新庄
214名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5Vjnz/cA02023/07/16(日) 14:22:01.29
イチローはピッチャーの練習してないし、実際にマウンド上がったのは体がかなり衰えた晩年だからそら大した球投げられないよ
215名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5Vjnz/cA02023/07/16(日) 14:23:48.99
20代のレーザービーム全盛の頃ならまた違った球を投げただろう
216名無しさん@恐縮ですID:svcVKX2K02023/07/16(日) 14:24:45.33
大谷ですら守備との両立は無理
二刀流ならDHじゃないと無理なんだろう多分
218名無しさん@恐縮ですID:f3yYnKIk02023/07/16(日) 14:33:23.29
イチローは短期間なら二刀流が出来たかも知れないけど、体が悲鳴上げそうだな
219名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DzGjXn9402023/07/16(日) 14:38:04.60
いやいや、NPBでもMLBでも投げてるけど、ポンコツだったじゃん
とてもじゃないがプロではピッチャーでは通用しない
比較自体が大谷に対して失礼

イチロー程度でいいなら、新庄も松井稼頭央も青木も投げれたっつーの

220名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jRe/9WP502023/07/16(日) 14:40:24.78
デストラーデ「俺はNPBで投手やったぜ!オータニより先にDH→投手のパターンをな」
221名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1AiconCa02023/07/16(日) 14:42:39.05
高校の監督から交通事故から帰ってきたら担ぎ投げになってたから投手としては終わったって言われてたな
日本でも無理だったろ
222名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2YaMq6Ej02023/07/16(日) 14:42:53.34
大谷はまずNPBで経験積めたのが大きかったな
高卒後即MLBだと流石にキツかったろ
今MLBにいる他の二刀流もNPBでワンクッション入れてMLBの方が可能性高いんじゃないの?
223名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DzGjXn9402023/07/16(日) 14:46:32.29
清原も元ピッチャーだな
PLでも公式戦で登板してる
226名無しさん@恐縮ですID:N09EUnzu02023/07/16(日) 14:56:05.06
投手するなら出来たろ、三流投手として
イチローに限らず日本はそういう打者多いよ、みんなエースで4番出身だから
草野球の投手なら無問題にこなす
227名無しさん@恐縮ですID:TonOt97402023/07/16(日) 14:57:52.36
ホームランダービー出てたらどうなったのか気になる10年連続優勝しそうで怖い
229名無しさん@恐縮ですID:aown4INQ02023/07/16(日) 15:02:54.49
たられば
231名無しさん@恐縮ですID:vorbiHCZ02023/07/16(日) 15:08:10.42
まあとにかく結論は
メジャーのトップであの二刀流ができる大谷は
宇宙人レベルですげーよ、てのは変わらんけどな

他の誰も比肩することができたなんて思えない

232名無しさん@恐縮ですID:DQkhi3BI0
>>231
メジャーの多くの選手でさえそう言ってんだもんね
233名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zbrxRB2r02023/07/16(日) 15:17:53.70
二刀流やってたら何のタイトル獲れずに終わってるだろう
記録やタイトルに限っては二兎追うものは~なるから
大谷くらい両方ハイレベルじゃないと二刀流やらせたら駄目って
大谷自身が前例を作ってるのかも知れない
234名無しさん@恐縮ですID:pvSUQci/02023/07/16(日) 15:45:16.85
あの野手投げはメジャーのマウンドに向いてたかもしれない
236名無しさん@恐縮ですID:t96PpofD02023/07/16(日) 15:54:34.36
オールスターかなんかで投げてたような
237名無しさん@恐縮ですID:q9rLQmSI02023/07/16(日) 16:02:26.82
岩瀬は大学時代安打製造機だった
238名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8ppVCd0Q02023/07/16(日) 16:09:32.43
イチローはとにかく勝敗度外視してコツコツと安打数稼いだから歴史に残る選手になれた
二刀流なんかやったら何ひとつ成し遂げられず終わってたろ
239名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sVC1QuU80
>>238
嫉妬の炎めらめらや
240名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lD9088gm02023/07/16(日) 16:20:05.62
ケングリフィーJrとかが出てくる時点でイチローのヤバさがわかるな。
超レジェンド。まぁイチローもその内にレジェンド(殿堂)認定されるだろうけど
286名無しさん@恐縮ですID:HmroLct90
>>240
マリナーズの同僚だったからだろ…
241名無しさん@恐縮ですID:dUG41Sda02023/07/16(日) 16:26:36.59
つい最近投手大谷は微妙…
って研究結果が出たばかりじゃなかったか?
242名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XagnVWUc02023/07/16(日) 16:33:05.68
タラレバかっこ悪い
244名無しさん@恐縮ですID:yJnenUBb02023/07/16(日) 16:38:29.36
246名無しさん@恐縮ですID:B0FfRSxZ02023/07/16(日) 16:40:06.14
イチローが言ってるわけじゃ無いのにイチローが叩かれてて可哀想
247名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IPHkjQ+d02023/07/16(日) 16:41:48.23

┃  (∀゚ )   イチロー
 ̄( \ノ     イチロー
/ \
248名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lD9088gm02023/07/16(日) 16:41:51.53
グリフィーjrとイチローは投手も野手もお薬やってる時期にクリーンで成績残してるから滅茶苦茶評価高いんだよな
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