51名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Nook92HM02023/07/16(日) 10:10:11.55
投打どっちかが並なら
もうどちらかのスペシャリストの方が運用しやすい
やっぱり大谷ぐらいにしか出来ない
もうどちらかのスペシャリストの方が運用しやすい
やっぱり大谷ぐらいにしか出来ない
77名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0mw/EzOK0
>>51
二刀流の一番の弱点は実はそこで大谷くらい投打とも1流クラスでないとチームとしてDH独占させたりしてまで二刀流やらせるメリットが余り無い
それなら投手との二刀流より内野も外野も全部一流クラスにこなせる選手のほうが使い手がいい
二刀流の一番の弱点は実はそこで大谷くらい投打とも1流クラスでないとチームとしてDH独占させたりしてまで二刀流やらせるメリットが余り無い
それなら投手との二刀流より内野も外野も全部一流クラスにこなせる選手のほうが使い手がいい
52名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+nZu8EXU02023/07/16(日) 10:10:29.16
ケン・グリフィーJrに息子さんはいないの？
親子三代でメジャーリーガーは無理だったかね
親子三代でメジャーリーガーは無理だったかね
60名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QBIQIqL40
>>52
アメフト行ったみたい。
アメフト行ったみたい。
https
://full-count.jp/2016/06/12/post35052/
84名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+nZu8EXU0
>>60
おおお！ありがとう、アメフトとか凄いなー
やっぱトップアスリートの血をひいてるね
にしても全然知らんかった
おおお！ありがとう、アメフトとか凄いなー
やっぱトップアスリートの血をひいてるね
にしても全然知らんかった
105名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4TEb8F5m0
>>84
因みに息子はもう一人いて、そちらはまだ大学生みたい。
卒業後どういう道に進むかは知らんが、身体能力は凄いとか。
因みに息子はもう一人いて、そちらはまだ大学生みたい。
卒業後どういう道に進むかは知らんが、身体能力は凄いとか。
https
://full-count.jp/2020/05/06/post767331/
297名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JasZZIvB0
>>105
すげー家系やね、ビビるわw
スポーツは何をしてるんやろか
すげー家系やね、ビビるわw
スポーツは何をしてるんやろか
211名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:3XVpm6oo0
>>84
シニアは元々大学でアメフトやる予定だったけど恋人が妊娠して野球選手になる道を選んだんだよね、その時の子がジュニア
シニアは元々大学でアメフトやる予定だったけど恋人が妊娠して野球選手になる道を選んだんだよね、その時の子がジュニア
298名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JasZZIvB0
>>211
爺様もアメフトやっとったんや
んで野球でもすげーとかとんでもねえな
爺様もアメフトやっとったんや
んで野球でもすげーとかとんでもねえな
53名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PTwRWJu002023/07/16(日) 10:10:31.01
やろうと思えばできる人は案外いるのかもね
54名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:C0bMDM7f02023/07/16(日) 10:10:38.76
イチローも凄かったけどパワーはなかったからな
大谷は全部持ってるから異次元
大谷は全部持ってるから異次元
55名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fgZieXCb02023/07/16(日) 10:10:45.02
出きるといってもプロレベルでやってもボコボコだったろ
あくまで外野手としては凄いだけ
あくまで外野手としては凄いだけ
57名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:11sfFzs902023/07/16(日) 10:13:29.95
２０歳位の時に初めて試合見に行ったときホームラン打ってくれて感動したの覚えてるわ、回りのアメリカ人が大歓声だった
58名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tUV/XQwb02023/07/16(日) 10:13:40.63
メジャーでもカーショウとかバムガーナーはバッティングめちゃくちゃいい
ドジャースvsジャイアンツのエース対決で、
バムガーナーのソロホームランが決勝点とか訳の分からないことやったりしてる
ドジャースvsジャイアンツのエース対決で、
バムガーナーのソロホームランが決勝点とか訳の分からないことやったりしてる
59名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:S6CdcGW802023/07/16(日) 10:14:50.76
ガルベスのフルスイングは楽しかったな
61名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:gamTWuSL02023/07/16(日) 10:16:10.02
秋山幸二が練習の１つでピッチングしていたけど
元ピッチャーだけに速かった覚えがある
元ピッチャーだけに速かった覚えがある
63名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2rIf+B/O02023/07/16(日) 10:18:57.22
藤浪晋太郎なら投手、打者、プロレスラーまでできるぜ。
64名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:re2qc87y02023/07/16(日) 10:19:50.77
割と速いけど棒球じゃん
66名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:dE8tFm5d02023/07/16(日) 10:20:20.21
佐々木朗希は二刀流やればできるらしいけどもうバッティング練習はさせて貰えてないんかな？
67名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FDZQJl5W02023/07/16(日) 10:22:00.61
20～30年前だから野手なのに140キロの速球すげー！とか騒いでたけど
高校野球の地方大会敗退チームの投手でもそれくらい出す今見たら大したことない
高校野球の地方大会敗退チームの投手でもそれくらい出す今見たら大したことない
68名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:O6w0bjj+02023/07/16(日) 10:22:15.21
球宴で何度か見たけど、大したことはなかったな。
未知数すぎる。
69名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:194SLNC702023/07/16(日) 10:22:17.59
野球に興味ないけどイチローの凄さはわかる
70名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:nyN8Egj/02023/07/16(日) 10:22:44.59
一つだけ間違いなく言えるのは
今の赤ヘルの投げる打つのあいつは
身体能力がイチロー他より図抜けてる
何しろ松井よりもデカいわけだから
他の日本人ではあんなにホームランは打てない
今の赤ヘルの投げる打つのあいつは
身体能力がイチロー他より図抜けてる
何しろ松井よりもデカいわけだから
他の日本人ではあんなにホームランは打てない
まあ待て
続きを読め
ただしそれは
思いきり振り回して球を遠くに飛ばしているだけ
しかも・・おそらく敵味方が半ば協力しあって
だからもはや野球とは言えない
身体能力マンが す～っと来た球を
力一杯振った棒で遠くに飛ばすショー
もちろん180cmそこそこの日本人が
たとえ す～っと投げてもらい力一杯振っても
あんな本数は打てないのだから
当たり前だがそれをやる能力はある
71名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:O6w0bjj+02023/07/16(日) 10:23:23.56
せめて150キロあれば、耳を貸すけどなあ。
140キロの棒球だったし。
72名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:XE1QZcb+02023/07/16(日) 10:24:19.65
県グリフィーJrの子供はなにになるの？県グリフィー賛成？
250名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6MKOCv3Z0
>>72 ケン・グリフィーIII (ケン・グリフィー・サード)
知らんけど
74名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:wxFiLrwe02023/07/16(日) 10:27:07.30
ジャッジもバックホームへの返球160キロ軽々と超えるよ
メジャーではそれぐらい出せる外野手結構いる
メジャーではそれぐらい出せる外野手結構いる
75名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FDZQJl5W02023/07/16(日) 10:27:27.23
マーリンズ時代に消化試合で１イニングだけ投げたのは覚えてるが
桑田レベルやった
桑田レベルやった
76名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:RF/88/au02023/07/16(日) 10:28:03.81
日本でもダメだった
78名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:O6w0bjj+02023/07/16(日) 10:29:18.03
イチローは、宇宙人の様な無限の成長途中で
マスコミにホモ煽りされ笑われて
すぐ女に走りまくり、伸びがピタッと止まった。
マスコミにホモ煽りされ笑われて
すぐ女に走りまくり、伸びがピタッと止まった。
ホモ煽りを受けつない意志の強い
大谷と同じにしちゃダメ。
79名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:8F0aWiGN02023/07/16(日) 10:29:20.17
ゴキローがボロ負け試合で投げたことあったけど
それでもボコボコに打たれたの忘れたのかな？
それでもボコボコに打たれたの忘れたのかな？
80名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:On11wzx/02023/07/16(日) 10:29:53.96
ケン・グリフィーはお坊ちゃん育ちでメンタルが弱いのに才能だけでプロになれた天才
82名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mLCkqFlw02023/07/16(日) 10:31:05.05
松坂は横浜高校の四番って半端ないよな
横浜高校で四番とか相当だぞ
そんなに打者としても良かったの？
四番でエースだと漫画みたいだから四番の実力ないけどわざとやらせてたってことないのか？
横浜高校で四番とか相当だぞ
そんなに打者としても良かったの？
四番でエースだと漫画みたいだから四番の実力ないけどわざとやらせてたってことないのか？
201名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PjNn67Yx0
>>82
四番だったか？
四番だったか？
224名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DzGjXn940
>>201
すべての試合ではないかもしらんが、俺が見た甲子園での試合は四番だった
すべての試合ではないかもしらんが、俺が見た甲子園での試合は四番だった
245名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2DsluO8O0
>>201,224
松坂と後藤武敏で日替わりみたいな感じだったな。
田中マーは殆ど５番で固定だったが。
松坂と後藤武敏で日替わりみたいな感じだったな。
田中マーは殆ど５番で固定だったが。
83名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:h172HGHH02023/07/16(日) 10:31:18.77
トラウトってまた怪我で離脱すんのか
85名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:D/C6rRaj02023/07/16(日) 10:32:39.62
投げることはできたと投げ続けるは違うだろ
じゃあ新庄もやれたし中田翔もやれるよ
じゃあ新庄もやれたし中田翔もやれるよ
86名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qPlJmvOA02023/07/16(日) 10:32:54.79
イチローも大谷もさ
チームの足枷になってたのは共通点
チームの足枷になってたのは共通点
88名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:E97xZIiq02023/07/16(日) 10:33:42.86
一茂が真面目に練習していれば
94名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rETpGYkk0
>>88
でも一茂って中学だか高校で一度野球やめてたのに立教の四番打ってたんだからやっぱすげーよ
清原の長男も小学校でちょろっとやってただけであと中高全然野球してないのに慶應でレギュラーなんでしょ
すげー才能だよな
普通は真面目に小中高やっててもほとんどのやつは慶應でレギュラーとか無理なのに
清原長男はプロにはならんだろうけど
でも一茂って中学だか高校で一度野球やめてたのに立教の四番打ってたんだからやっぱすげーよ
清原の長男も小学校でちょろっとやってただけであと中高全然野球してないのに慶應でレギュラーなんでしょ
すげー才能だよな
普通は真面目に小中高やっててもほとんどのやつは慶應でレギュラーとか無理なのに
清原長男はプロにはならんだろうけど
113名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DQkhi3BI0
>>94
そこは「でも」じゃないだろ
そこは「でも」じゃないだろ
116名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rETpGYkk0
>>113
いや、相当努力したと思うよ
松坂とか清原も練習してたら云々言われるけど相当やってたと思うがな
大谷やイチローが変態レベルなだけであって
いや、相当努力したと思うよ
松坂とか清原も練習してたら云々言われるけど相当やってたと思うがな
大谷やイチローが変態レベルなだけであって
225名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:DzGjXn940
>>94
東京六大学リーグの通算ホームランは
一茂＞茂雄だからな
茂雄は当時の六大学リーグ通算ホームラン記録を持ってたのに
東京六大学リーグの通算ホームランは
一茂＞茂雄だからな
茂雄は当時の六大学リーグ通算ホームラン記録を持ってたのに
89名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kE4KaK5+02023/07/16(日) 10:34:02.77
別にあえて二刀流で大谷と比較なんてしなくてもいいけどな
あの体じゃ守備ならファーストしか無理だろうし
あの体じゃ守備ならファーストしか無理だろうし
91名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:TLamKc0E02023/07/16(日) 10:35:10.13
「イチロー ～最後の闘い～」を見たけど本当に加齢で打てなくなるんだね
おそらく動体視力の衰えだろうけど
おそらく動体視力の衰えだろうけど
95名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:q0suq4OC0
>>91
いや、目は2003年頃には衰えてた。隠してただけで2010年か2011年にとんでもない故障してると思う
いや、目は2003年頃には衰えてた。隠してただけで2010年か2011年にとんでもない故障してると思う
110名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0mw/EzOK0
>>91
清原も中村ノリも昨年まで打ててた速球がかすりもしなくなって引退
体は徐々に衰えるしトレーニング次第でかなり保てるけど目の衰えは突然来る
清原も中村ノリも昨年まで打ててた速球がかすりもしなくなって引退
体は徐々に衰えるしトレーニング次第でかなり保てるけど目の衰えは突然来る
204名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PjNn67Yx0
>>110
目をなんとかするのは現代医学でも無理なのかね？
目をなんとかするのは現代医学でも無理なのかね？
93名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OmJLyint02023/07/16(日) 10:38:23.03
打者はベテランになると動体視力衰えて全然打てなくなるから、大谷も将来的には投手1本で行くべきだな
96名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:EQ+ZNOYD02023/07/16(日) 10:40:13.29
長島の息子も野球できたけど…
97名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+0UgpUHp02023/07/16(日) 10:40:38.61
まあ二刀流なんて一流選手なら結構できるやつ多いだろ
やらせてもらえないてのが正解
やらせてもらえないてのが正解
103名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:VuBlIPdJ0
>>97
給料倍貰える訳じゃ無いならやらない方が得じゃね？
長く活躍出来そうじゃん
みんなやりたいのかな？
給料倍貰える訳じゃ無いならやらない方が得じゃね？
長く活躍出来そうじゃん
みんなやりたいのかな？
98名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:4vQMCJo202023/07/16(日) 10:41:08.72
松坂はうちの桐光学園戦で
初回からいきなりホームラン打ってこいつはかてねーと思ったわ
109名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rETpGYkk0
>>98
こういうのよく芸能人とかが言ってるけどそれがわかるだけでも才能だよな
相当実力あると思うわ
サッカーだけど高校の頃に未来の日本代表の人と試合したがそこまで差を感じなかったわ
結局だらだらと大学までやってしまった
監督のコネで大分トリニータ受けたけどその時も合格したやろって思ったわ
最後まで自分の実力に気付けなかった
こういうのよく芸能人とかが言ってるけどそれがわかるだけでも才能だよな
相当実力あると思うわ
サッカーだけど高校の頃に未来の日本代表の人と試合したがそこまで差を感じなかったわ
結局だらだらと大学までやってしまった
監督のコネで大分トリニータ受けたけどその時も合格したやろって思ったわ
最後まで自分の実力に気付けなかった
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