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51名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sGJT3Tp802023/07/13(木) 02:05:09.34
めっちゃ強めな更年期みたいなやつか…
52名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sGJT3Tp802023/07/13(木) 02:05:11.33
めっちゃ強めな更年期みたいなやつか…
54名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1SZctsrI02023/07/13(木) 02:05:24.84
性別の再適合を行う前は、自殺念慮や自殺企図、
自殺遂行の危険性が高いとされています。
治療のあとの適応はさまざまで、自殺の危険性が続く人もいます。

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56名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fd7w7qTP02023/07/13(木) 02:06:23.09
精神グラグラな時にSNSなんてやるもんじゃないって義務教育に入れとけ
57名無しさん@恐縮ですID:wMf8AAW402023/07/13(木) 02:06:37.13
この手の現場って今どうなってるんだろうかね
何でもかんでも本人の希望に沿って薬を垂れ流していたとしたら
医者は濡れ手に粟だろうけど本人の心身に影響が出てもおかしくないだろうな
65名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XG8SPpDs0
>>57
完全自由診療だったら自己責任になるのかな
いちおうカウンセリング的なステップは形だけでも踏んでるだろうから
68名無しさん@恐縮ですID:sGJT3Tp80
>>57
医者は儲かる方にいくからな
患者側は自分で情報収集して自衛する必要あるよ
77名無しさん@恐縮ですID:1SZctsrI0
>>57
まだ研究が始まったばかりで
データを積み重ねているような状態なんじゃないかなあ?
59名無しさん@恐縮ですID:3SjXS/h902023/07/13(木) 02:07:21.76
生理中にイライラしたりメンタルおかしくなるやつのもっと酷いバージョンって感じなんかな
60名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QKp3F44u02023/07/13(木) 02:07:31.62
芸能人も整形とかお直しやってるけどホルモン投入すんの?
だとしたらそりゃみんな不安定になるわ
62名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VUOlerzv02023/07/13(木) 02:07:39.28
本当は心が女なんじゃなくて
女装が好きなだけの男だった可能性もあるからな
103名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VGhEuk050
>>62
違うよ
自分を否定してるから別の人間になる為に異性まで変えたくなる

元々自己肯定が低いメンタルの問題

458名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+SSM1GmH0
>>62
マツコとかミッツとかのような女装好きのゲイと
心身共に女子または男子になりたくて治療や手術に踏み切る人はジャンルが違う気がする

しかし中には本当は前者のタイプなのに
自分は男好きってことは身も心も女にならなきゃいけないんだと思い込んで改造したのに本当はそうじゃないタイプだったことに気づき虚無感しか残らず病み続ける人もいるとのこと

63名無しさん@恐縮ですID:8VHz5uSD02023/07/13(木) 02:07:59.49
ニューハーフも自殺率高いからな
64名無しさん@恐縮ですID:iAVtU+8H02023/07/13(木) 02:08:00.57
男は男でしかない
66名無しさん@恐縮ですID:fd7w7qTP02023/07/13(木) 02:09:26.06
性別は変えられない
異性になりたきゃ生まれ変わってからにしろ
ってのも必須課程に入れとけ
67名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zrHCt53802023/07/13(木) 02:09:27.61
痛いことやらないってことは金も持ってるし多分相当ODしてたんじゃない
医者に監修してもらって適量とかじゃなくて
胸膨らまそうとかチンコ萎びさせようとか結果を求めてODしがちだから
オカーマは精神が不安定になる人多い
70名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/j22gKaB02023/07/13(木) 02:12:17.24
もっと知られるべき案件かも
昨今LGBTで性転換をファッション的に考える子増えたんじゃないか?
危険性を知らない若い子多いと思うよ
71名無しさん@恐縮ですID:/j22gKaB02023/07/13(木) 02:12:20.60
もっと知られるべき案件かも
昨今LGBTで性転換をファッション的に考える子増えたんじゃないか?
危険性を知らない若い子多いと思うよ
127名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VGhEuk050
>>71
ほんとそれ
もはや元々の性自認の問題じゃなくて憧れになって来ててヤバい
134名無しさん@恐縮ですID:x7A71yDf0
>>127
後になってやっぱ戻したいみたいな人も多いらしいからね
LGBTか性同一性障害か知らんけど所詮は性癖よ
薬やメスで体をいじくる方がおかしいと思う
150名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VGhEuk050
>>134
ホルモン投与も性転換以外含めた整形も激しい辛さとの長期の戦いで自殺者も多いって事をもっとちゃんと世の中に知らしめないといけないよね
179名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jDetTTpL0
>>134
なんだっけタイでニューハーフの賞取ったあややの真似してたおそらく工事済みの人(前田健じゃない)
一時仕事かなんかで男装してたら、女の子が好きかもってなったと言ってたような
一時的なものだろうけど
143名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jDetTTpL0
>>71
>>127
LGBT法案ゴリ押しした世界的勢力はそれを狙ってるんだと
メディアや権力者がゴリ押してくるのは大体やばいよ
161名無しさん@恐縮ですID:x3g002IB0
>>143
ソレごり押しして誰が得すんの?
ソレとも男女ハイブリッドのクレーマーの声がデカいだけなの?
234名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jDetTTpL0
>>161
世界を混乱させたい
移民化政策もそれで、今フランスでの暴走のは買収された移民ぽい
混乱を起こして、善人ヅラして解決しますよと
結果的に統治支配コントロールしたい流れ
マイナンバー制度とかもそれ
271名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jDetTTpL0
>>234
暴走でなくて暴動
72名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QKp3F44u02023/07/13(木) 02:12:27.56
女は子供の頃から生理で慣らしてきてるしね
73名無しさん@恐縮ですID:a8K4nBci02023/07/13(木) 02:12:29.41
女って大変なんだ。。。
考えを改めよう
86名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Upn1nnJd0
>>73
気が付いてくれてありがとう
100名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+3KyXcgL0
>>73
そう、優しくしてあげような
146名無しさん@恐縮ですID:i40U0IHa0
>>73
自分でもコントロールできなくて辛いのだよ
生理前や最中、妊娠出産前後、閉経など
お母さんや彼女さんが機嫌や具合悪い時は、理由の一つと考えたらイライラ減るはず
484名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7TYcjSsY0
>>73
嫁が子供産んだあと旦那に冷たくなってセックスレスになりがちなのもホルモンの作用だからな
産後離婚の原因になりやすいけど双方がそれを知ってて意識してるだけでも離婚が防げる
489名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KgnQ/XKS0
>>484
ホルモンて言っときゃなんでもありになってねーか?
そもそも男がやりたがるのもホルモンの影響だよ
534名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7TYcjSsY0
>>489
そこらへんで男女の違いがあるからお互い理解しあえば
無駄に離婚したり浮気に走ったりせずに済むってことだよ
ホルモンの影響は一時的なものだからね
ちなみに思春期の娘が父親を嫌いになるのも性ホルモンのしわざなので世の父親は知っておくと落ち込まなくて済むよ
552名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KgnQ/XKS0
>>534
自分はさせないけど風俗行くな浮気するなってのは無理やろ
597名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7TYcjSsY0
>>552
風俗や浮気するかどうかはまた別の話なのでw
家庭内レイーポするくらいなら風俗でこっそりスッキリしてくる方が家庭円満は保てそうだけどね
問題は嫁が構ってくれないからって風俗や浮気で済ませずに他の女と結婚やり直そうとすること
妻子捨てて別の女と結婚しても出産したらまた同じことの繰り返しの可能性
609名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KgnQ/XKS0
>>597
男じゃないならわからんと思うが男は射精しないと駄目なんだよ
だから風俗や浮気は別の話じゃないんだよ
自分でしろって?なら他の女でいいやって事になる
666名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7TYcjSsY0
>>609
>>552に対して風俗や浮気をするか・旦那が風俗や浮気しても許すかはそれぞれの家庭の話なので
別の話と書いただけだよ
「ホルモンなんぞ知るか!セックスできないような嫁なんか要らん!」ってなる旦那もいるだろうし
「産後に急に冷たくなったのは俺を嫌いになったからじゃないんだ!」と安心する旦那もいるだろう
ここで「この嫁とは離婚」「こっそり風俗でも行くか」「育児中の嫁に悪いから自家発電で我慢」
どれを選ぶかは別に自由だよ
679名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KgnQ/XKS0
>>666
俺が言いたいのは君は女目線の話しかしてないってことだよ
女はホルモンの影響で何もしなくていいけどどれを選ぶかは自由てw
手伝うとかの選択肢はないんだなw
736名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7TYcjSsY0
>>679
なるほどw
ご家庭によってはそういう選択肢もあるんじゃないかな
各ご家庭の性生活はそれぞれの形があっていいと思うし
挿入だけがセックスではないもんな
自分が言いたいのは一貫してお互いに理解しあうのが大事ってことなので
相談して理想的な関係を築ければベストなのでは
745名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KgnQ/XKS0
>>736
まあそういうことやね
ホルモン云々は男女お互い様なんだからそれを正当化すべきではないということ
769名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7TYcjSsY0
>>745
正当化というか実際男女ともにメンタルや言動を左右するから
ホルモンの作用は知っておいた方が誤解なく生きられるのは事実だよ
男性にも更年期あるしね
男性もホルモンバランスの崩れで鬱になったりEDになったりする
790名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KgnQ/XKS0
>>769
ホルモンの影響でしたくないのが当然と思うなら男が風俗やら浮気するのも当然だろって話をしてるんだよ
女のしたくない理由だけを正当化するなってことだよ
804名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7TYcjSsY0
>>790
まあそこらへんは各ご家庭で相談するのが一番じゃないのかな
要するにしたくない気持ちにもしたい気持ちにも理由はあるってことなので
尊重し合ったり譲り合ったり協力し合ったりが大事
809名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KgnQ/XKS0
>>804
だからそう言ってるよwただそれは理想論だけど
ほとんどの場合男が我慢することになる
825名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7TYcjSsY0
>>809
まさに男はつらいよw
でもその苦労がいずれ実を結んで末永く円満な家庭が築けるなら
それは尊い我慢だと思うよ
836名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KgnQ/XKS0
>>825
家の中は女が回したほうがうまくいくと思うよっぽどのメンヘラじゃなければ
490名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WI/VL60G0
>>484
子供が一番になって、旦那への態度が変わったりするみたいだよね。
507名無しさん@恐縮ですID:i40U0IHa0
>>490
我が子を守るための防衛本能の一部らしい
外敵と見なしがちなのだとか
523名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WI/VL60G0
>>507
母親は出産にあたりいろいろ勉強して知識つけてるから主導権持ちたいだろうし、子供の世話が増えて旦那構ってる余裕も気分も減るだろうからね。妊娠出産後とかに浮気も増えるんだろうね。
しない人はしないけど。
74名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZI0tnjCQ02023/07/13(木) 02:12:30.75
女性ホルモンのやつな
色んな副作用の噂は聞いたことあるな
78名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ViElQ/pA02023/07/13(木) 02:14:47.55
誹謗中傷で死んだことにしたい奴らが必死w
89名無しさん@恐縮ですID:nSnd8CRY0
>>78
我先に死人利用してアクセス稼ぎに走るイナゴタレントな
見苦しいったらありゃしない
104名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ZJx1kRF20
>>89
本当に誰とは言わないが誹謗中傷絡めて触れてるようなタレントは悪質だと思う
人の死すら承認欲求に利用するなんてな
79名無しさん@恐縮ですID:cJhPTXtl02023/07/13(木) 02:15:28.65
男も女性ホルモン注射するとヒスになるよね
80名無しさん@恐縮ですID:QKp3F44u02023/07/13(木) 02:15:44.98
ホルモン投入の危険性を本人が残しといてよかったな
あいつらただの誹謗中傷だけで済まそうとしてるからな
82名無しさん@恐縮ですID:P+yR2BUb02023/07/13(木) 02:16:42.46
https://i.imgur.com/kim6RLv.jpg
108名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+3KyXcgL0
>>82
こっわ!!
141名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hwBWGxkS0
>>82
これは‥?
83名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WI/VL60G02023/07/13(木) 02:16:43.88
女が好きだったけど、ホルモンや女装してから恋愛対象は男性に変わる人もいるよ。
器用な人はバイセクシャルだったり、女好きだったり様々。基本的に女性への憧れや変身願望、ナルシズムもあるのだろうね。
84名無しさん@恐縮ですID:ObgmqMdy02023/07/13(木) 02:16:55.63
親戚が不妊治療でホルモン療法やって躁鬱になり40年続いてる
元気な時は喋り続けて、鬱の時はほぼ寝たきり
ホルモン剤って怖いなとしか思えん
85名無しさん@恐縮ですID:expQNtcU02023/07/13(木) 02:17:17.82
海外の研究では、男性鬱患者に男性ホルモン投与すると症状が軽快したという情報をみた。
もし女性ホルモン投与していたとしたら、急激に体質が変わってそれに伴いメンタルも相当不安定だったと思う。
性転換して女ホル投与に鬱が多いように。
ホルモンは、あまり人工的に減らしたり増やしたりはいけないよ。
87名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VTyheSL102023/07/13(木) 02:18:40.94
そりゃ男なんだからおまえ
女に性転換しようとして薬打ってたら精神おかしくなるわな
88名無しさん@恐縮ですID:FSmzlfbR02023/07/13(木) 02:18:43.33
誹謗中傷って言ってる奴ら逮捕した方いいな
共産主義者は逮捕
90名無しさん@恐縮ですID:RasF9sYM02023/07/13(木) 02:19:39.59
女性ホルモン投与の心配をしてるほうがアホ

ほとんどの国民には関係ない

106名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2q+Cv0D20
>>90
PMS治療や不妊治療、更年期の緩和に女性ホルモンは使われてるけど
体に合う合わないで女同士で会話するし
91名無しさん@恐縮ですID:15tnCXGW02023/07/13(木) 02:19:40.01
薬物投与による生理メカニズムの崩壊で死んだ可能性
オーバードースで死んだり、ヤクチュウがI can flyするのと同例で
とくに誹謗中傷関係はなさそうですね
テメエの主張に死人を悪用するクズは恥を知りなさい
92名無しさん@恐縮ですID:k9Q/lsod02023/07/13(木) 02:19:47.48
毎月生理でイライラしてる女になりたいっていうんだから不思議なもんだよ
109名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WI/VL60G0
>>92
ニューハーフとかは生理痛は無いと思うけど。
ホルモンバランスはホルモン注射などで似たようなのが可能って見たけど
93名無しさん@恐縮ですID:g2Fd57lT02023/07/13(木) 02:20:03.33
急激にやりすぎたんじゃねーのか
94名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WI/VL60G02023/07/13(木) 02:20:40.41
ホルモンに限らず薬は全て副作用とかあるから。
強ければ副作用も強い。
96名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NPjfl9eT02023/07/13(木) 02:21:26.34
感覚的に当たり前だバカと思う人も多いでしょうが実証されたことに意義があると言えるのではないでしょうか
ホルモン投与で人は死ぬ
97名無しさん@恐縮ですID:psrIzMVR02023/07/13(木) 02:21:30.08
ホルモンバランスが悪いってより女っい体になるために女性ホルモンを投与してたのか?
それともLGBTのために必要だったから投与なのか
あと、離婚時とは違い最近は大分忘れられていて、そんなに誹謗はなかったんじゃないのか
112名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XG8SPpDs0
>>97
コアなアンチしか残ってなくて、かえって強烈になってたのかもしれん
98名無しさん@恐縮ですID:JpnD79IJ02023/07/13(木) 02:21:30.40
本当の友人ならこんなペラペラ喋らないよね
99名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XG8SPpDs02023/07/13(木) 02:21:34.10
元々自分に与えられてる性別を変えようって思うのも
大多数の人は思っても実行には移さないからなあ
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