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550名無しさん@恐縮ですID:h/j/GduR02023/07/09(日) 19:14:26.82
マイナンバーはあってもいいけど そこにカードはいらないだろwwwwwwwwwwww
559名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NFVqzUx40
>>550
マイナンバーは個人情報とかうるさく言われて使えなくなったから
カード内の電子証明書のシリアル番号を新たなマイナンバーとして使うことにしたの
カード持ってくれなきゃ困るみたい
569名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YtAbtjGn0
>>559
それって本当なの?
カードのROMに知らない番号が入っててそれが本当の個人番号なの?
574名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>569
マイナンバーの基本だけど、
マイナンバーは個人に1つ割り当てられているってわけじゃないからな。

マイナンバーは固定電話番号と同じで、基本は1人1つだけど、希望によって変更が可能。
だから、マイナンバー1つを誰かの個人とするプログラム(SQLとかLINQ)があったら、
それはバグです。

579名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YtAbtjGn0
>>574>>575
なんと!!
ありがじゅっぴき
575名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NFVqzUx40
>>569
電子証明書のシリアル番号ね
こっちに紐づけるみたいね
580名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>569
本当の個人番号がシリアル番号だけど、
シリアル番号も変更される可能性あるんじゃなかったかな?
詳しくは知らん
576名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GaMIvaX40
>>559
失業保険の手続きとかでも、マイナンバーを申請書に書かなきゃいけないけどカードに記載もされてない番号なんて書けませんよ。
※書くのは、申請者本人ですからね
585名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NFVqzUx40
>>576
役所はマイナンバーとシリアル番号が紐づいてるから書く必要はないわな
551名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bZJCDJzg02023/07/09(日) 19:15:40.17
カードはいらんよ
番号はあってもいいが…
553名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bZJCDJzg02023/07/09(日) 19:16:22.20
てかマイナンバーとマイナンバーカードが別物って知ってるやつが少ないんだよな
556名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YtAbtjGn0
>>553
えっ?何が違うの教えてエロい人
554名無しさん@恐縮ですID:io9h4BfJ02023/07/09(日) 19:17:02.24
政府がカルトと癒着してたりスパイ防止法すら作らない状態を許している国民に対して
「ノーミス主義すぎる」は皮肉にしかなってないね
557名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NBsYjcj002023/07/09(日) 19:18:52.55
導入検討すらまともにしてこなかったツケだよこれは 遅れるとかなんてどうでもいい 数年かかってもいいからしっかりしたほうがいい トラブル起きたら被害は国民だからな
しかしフェイルセーフ考えないとかしょうもないな 猪突猛進とはこのこと
富士通がユーザ起因のシステム登録トラブルを改善したがテストしていれば洗い出せたはずのレベルだな 時間詰めすぎるとこうなるの典型例
560名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+i+/XJNb02023/07/09(日) 19:22:49.19
こーゆークソダニがテレビで国際比較もできずにクソデマばら撒くのま
561名無しさん@恐縮ですID:poJ3aUqi02023/07/09(日) 19:22:57.65
そもそもマイナンバーなんて伝票送られてきてる時点で全員にすでに振り分けられてるのに
カード返納するとか無意味なのにアホすぎる 使いたくないなら保管しとけばいいのに
566名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>561
マイナンバーとマイナンバーカードは別物
562名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NrDSECvg02023/07/09(日) 19:23:03.31
一般人にとってマイナのメリットが無いんだよね
コンビニで住民票、印鑑登録証明書が出せるというのが唯一のメリットだったのに、他人の印鑑登録証明書が出てくるとかもうね
銀行でお金をおろしたら他人の口座から勝手におろされてたレベルのありえないミスなんだけど
それを自民党政府、行政が軽く見てるのが最大の間違い
失敗にも許される失敗と国や企業が潰れるレベルの失敗があるわけ
563名無しさん@恐縮ですID:D9tu7EKU02023/07/09(日) 19:23:30.05
こういうパヨクどもが日本を非合理的な国にして経済の低迷を生んだんだよね
パヨクの権力欲のためにどれだけの損害になったか
565名無しさん@恐縮ですID:D9tu7EKU0
>>563
マイナカード反応煽るやつのことね
564名無しさん@恐縮ですID:+i+/XJNb02023/07/09(日) 19:23:47.84
こーゆーカスって基本、言い逃げだよな
国際比較もできず、嘘ついて逃げればいい
クソダニの仕事
生きてて恥ずかしくないんかね
567名無しさん@恐縮ですID:eZCLvTyg02023/07/09(日) 19:24:51.01
ノーミス主義とかじゃなくてもう信頼が無いんよ政府に
中抜きしてんじゃないかとか隠蔽してるんじゃないかとか
実はものっっっすごいバカなんじゃないかとか
577名無しさん@恐縮ですID:hJlMhkdf0
>>567
政府が信頼できる国ってどこだ?
どこの国の政府も程度の差はあれ問題起こしてるぞ
568名無しさん@恐縮ですID:vOBjFtsV02023/07/09(日) 19:24:56.74
欧米でマイナンバーやってる国はあるの?
570名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>568
日本みたいな紐づけるやつは、1国もない
過去やろうとして、失敗したって例はあるらしい
571名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lvCSeAlm02023/07/09(日) 19:26:21.23
なんかパックンがマイナカードを批判してると勘違いしてる人がチラホラおるな
むしろパックンは擁護してる側だろ
今までの日本批判発言でそういうイメージになってるのかも知れないが
572名無しさん@恐縮ですID:M8WVqMsB02023/07/09(日) 19:26:50.30
何かと理由つけて税金チューチューしたいだけだからそもそも完成させる気もないだろ
サクラダファミリアみたいなもん
573名無しさん@恐縮ですID:y5S2f0Ru02023/07/09(日) 19:27:17.22
アメリカでこんなこと起こったら暴動起きてるでしょ
578名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jRdTDUsu02023/07/09(日) 19:31:07.66
最初は問題出るのしょうがないよな
徐々に良いシステムにしていけば良い
最初から完璧なシステムなんて無い
581名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UVTNUm/p02023/07/09(日) 19:33:29.30
すこし違う
戦後日本だけ情弱ビジネスが発展した
582名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YssHmZ7H02023/07/09(日) 19:33:38.68
まあ言わんとしてることは分かるけど、ミスっちゃダメなヤツでミスしたら叩かれるわw
583名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tJ7faZWY02023/07/09(日) 19:33:43.36
コンピュータのデータベースの戸籍情報を管理するのに
ユニークIDふらない方がいいとか言うのは頭おかしいレベルなので
日本がデジタル化で遅れてる理由がよくわかるわ
587名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>583
それは当初からの約束じゃないの?
マイナンバーが悪用されたとき、変更できないとヤバイから
変更できるようにしている。
だから、プライマリキーとして使えなくなったけど、
悪用(DVとか悪徳業者?)から守れるようになっている。
586名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UVTNUm/p02023/07/09(日) 19:35:20.87
日本のCMみてみ
異常通り越して異世界だから
588名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UVTNUm/p02023/07/09(日) 19:37:15.82
韓国はとっくに現金全く使っていない
敗北国日本は来年新紙幣が発行される
590名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>588
そういうのが少子化につながっているんよ
そういうの頑張っている国は総じて少子化だからね
592名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>588
そういうのが少子化につながっているんよ
そういうの頑張っている国は総じて少子化だからね
593名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NFVqzUx40
>>588
うらやましいの?
俺なんかやべーとしか思わんのだけど
601名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>593
普通はそう思うよなw
太陽フレアで一瞬で0になるし、
政府が悪用しても0にされるし、
まったく安心して生きられないわな
600名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lvCSeAlm0
>>588
中国もそうだが現金に信用のない国ほどキャッシュレスが普及するのは周知の事実
そうなる経緯も知らないのに妄想だけで語ると恥をかくぞ
602名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UVTNUm/p0
>>600
それも違う
フランスなんかも今はスマホ使ってて現金使っとらん
米国なんか大昔からカード
604名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>602
それのどこがうらやましいの?

米国の映画みて知っていたけど、
「うらやましー」なんて一度も思ったことないぜ

606名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UVTNUm/p0
>>604
羨ましいから書いてると思うのか????
608名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5OicjXem0
>>602
韓国の経緯の話してんのに他の国の話をしだすバカ
なら最初からアメリカはーって言っとけよ
なんで韓国はって言ったの?
お前の母国だからか?バカチョンww
589名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jD6nIgDl02023/07/09(日) 19:37:56.33
パックンなら真逆なことを言うと思ってたw
595名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qOVAzXXr02023/07/09(日) 19:38:50.32
なんで日本の老人は極端にデジタルアレルギーが強いのか
597名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qOVAzXXr02023/07/09(日) 19:39:17.13
なんで日本の老人は極端にデジタルアレルギーが強いのか
598名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KcHS0B9u02023/07/09(日) 19:39:37.09
返納した人は何を恐れてるんだろう
599名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qOVAzXXr02023/07/09(日) 19:39:38.00
なんで日本の老人は極端にデジタルアレルギーが強いのか
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