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パックン マイナ返納は「パフォーマンス」「日本はノーミス主義過ぎる」山口真由氏も同意「デジ化遅れる」

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500名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YtAbtjGn02023/07/09(日) 18:50:25.14
「一身上の都合で今から会社やめまーす!!」ピッ
501名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Biy6SyKX02023/07/09(日) 18:50:49.34
年寄りとか情弱の声のデカい奴の意見の聞き過ぎでデジタル化が遅れてるんだよ
対応出来ない人間は後回しにして困るぐらいが丁度いい
子供だけが勉強するものではなく人生は毎日勉強
頑張った者が報われるそういう社会をみんな目指してるんじゃないの?
504名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NFVqzUx40
>>501
デジタル化なんてとっくにしてんだけどね
508名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>501
デジタル先進国では、普通に保険証あるよ
523名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YtAbtjGn0
>>501
ラサール石井はまだ歩けるし、しっかりしてるけど
年寄りっていうか認知症が進んで後見制度で自分で手続き出来ない人とかの
話らしいけど
502名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Q9MZabwf02023/07/09(日) 18:51:05.73
完璧主義にみえて肝心なところが抜け作なのが日本あるあるだよね
戦争の頃から変わってない
505名無しさん@恐縮ですID:uYexJ60I0
>>502
と無能が愚痴っておりますが
今日は暑いですねw
503名無しさん@恐縮ですID:KNKP/qR+02023/07/09(日) 18:51:50.91
返納したけりゃすればいいんだよ
車も乗れなくなったら返納するだろ
506名無しさん@恐縮ですID:XTdcqjqU02023/07/09(日) 18:53:23.21
ミス許してるからずっと自民党なんだろ
何十年ミスし続けてるじゃん
507名無しさん@恐縮ですID:v7nLAtml02023/07/09(日) 18:54:05.46
俺は反対派じゃないけど
パックンみたいに心配になってる人を責めるのは逆効果だよ
結果で見せてかないとな
510名無しさん@恐縮です
>>507
心配してるやつはいつまでたっても心配してるからほっといていい
519名無しさん@恐縮ですID:v7nLAtml0
>>510
俺もそう言ってるじゃん
なんでかまうんだってこと
509名無しさん@恐縮ですID:kfsEGL2702023/07/09(日) 18:55:03.51
パックンがいるから日本が衰退したまま。
511名無しさん@恐縮ですID:5rVl5ju702023/07/09(日) 18:55:08.71
カード返しても番号が消えるわけでないから意味なし
516名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NFVqzUx40
>>511
紐づけてるのはシリアル番号の方だよ
512名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jwAUOcH802023/07/09(日) 18:55:21.96
住民票を住基カード時代に入力したデータに頼らず新たなデータで作り直していたら少しはマシな物が出来たかもなー
515名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>512
その考えアウトです
513名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2vJyHTZY02023/07/09(日) 18:55:38.81
不便になるだけだよ
いつもの自民党さ
国民がイメージしているものとはまったく違うことになるよ
517名無しさん@恐縮ですID:Qce7a9lQ02023/07/09(日) 18:56:29.52
許容範囲てのは人によって違うからな
521名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u02023/07/09(日) 18:57:37.23
ミスは永久になくならない。
それを分かっている人なら、保険証をなくすって選択はしないんよ。

デジタルのこと解ってないから、保険証をなくすって判断をしてしまう

522名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qmx3Ul1b02023/07/09(日) 18:57:51.61
でも自分の個人情報が流出したら大騒ぎして訴えるんだろアメリカ人さん
524名無しさん@恐縮ですID:J+g7/aZq02023/07/09(日) 18:58:16.12
マイナンバーを書留で配達した時、
数千万通配達したうちの何通かが誤配になってクソミソ叩いてたからなw
そのとき国は何も言わなかったような。
あの時のヒステリックさは今でも覚えてるぞ。
525名無しさん@恐縮ですID:7TUwQC4c02023/07/09(日) 18:58:43.42
返納した人が年末ふるさと納税しようとしてあーってなりそう
526名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2vJyHTZY02023/07/09(日) 18:59:20.38
昔の方が最新だったよ
役所でも会社でも行って要件言うと
すべて人間が自動でやってくれたし
めちゃくちゃ楽だった
540名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u0
>>526
うん

今やカード1つ無くすと生活できなくなるし、
暗証番号も忘れるとアウトなんだっけ?

今までの楽で、多少ミスしても大丈夫だったシステムを
マイナンバーという1つでもミスすると生活できなくなる、システムに後退させようとする岸田に
反対言うのは当然。頭が良い人ほど、それが分かるんよ。

527名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UQozd7WN02023/07/09(日) 18:59:24.15
男フィフィのパックン
女パックンのフィフィ
こいつ等日本叩き大好きだよな
528名無しさん@恐縮ですID:jwAUOcH802023/07/09(日) 18:59:49.29
台湾みたいに国民が政府を監視するためのシステム化なら…って思ったけど自民党が認めるはず無いよね
529名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WPu91evF02023/07/09(日) 18:59:51.34
でも実際、自分が病院にマイナンバーカード持ってってシステム不具合だから一旦10割払ってください
また今度返金の手続きしに来てくださいとか言われたら普通に嫌だけどな
539名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YtAbtjGn0
>>529
普通それは初診と一見さんだけ
前月からの継続だったら保険証はひと月に一回の筈だけど
番号知ってれば照会できる筈なんだけど
マイナで変わったのかな?
543名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WPu91evF0
>>539
老人で月1で通院は普通だから
毎回必要な人も大勢いるぞ
530名無しさん@恐縮ですID:T6qxON/Q02023/07/09(日) 18:59:59.98
マイナンバーカードって進め方も用途も中国共産党みたいなのに右派(笑)が大賛成してるのが面白いわ
制度自体は他の先進国も導入してるけど「カード」を使ってる国は少数派
どんな些細なことでも「中国(や韓国)」に結びつけて難癖をつける方々はどこ行ったのw
531名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bnAuXRiT02023/07/09(日) 19:00:03.66
なにミスはつきものと言うじゃないですかとか言ってんのこのふざけた外人
だからテレビで芸能人が社会的発言するとそこに電通に富士通などの大企業に官庁に頼まれたんだろと疑うんだよ
532名無しさん@恐縮ですID:PWOEWf3H02023/07/09(日) 19:00:48.02
マイナカードそのものよりも、
運用してる人間を信じられないんだわ
129名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zmIHArNT0
>>117
はいどうぞw

535 名無しステーション sage 2023/07/09(日) 13:19:16.52 ID:JDDhmOuja
>>532
顔写真をつけたら良い事ですよ

B-CASカード、ETCカード、、第3の金のなる木、マイナンバーカードw
そりゃお前ら既得権益者は必死だよなあ、お金が入るかどうかの瀬戸際だもんなあw

日本政府がミス、トラブル、事件の際に、日本政府が全責任を持つと明記すれば良い
責任を持たないから作りたく無い日本人は大勢いる
日本政府が全責任をモツと言った後まで、作りたく無いと言う奴は、半島認定すれば良い

それを、作成しないのは半島のーという
恣意的なミスリードはやめなさいよ

136名無しさん@恐縮ですID:X4gRPIX20
>>129
それがどうかしたのかエラ張り吊り目
その醜いエラ張り吊り目の顔をなんとかしろよ
147名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zmIHArNT0
>>136
論理で言い返せないから
相手を大陸認定

レベルひっくーw

179名無しさん@恐縮ですID:M1P3+oZe0
>>168
>>147
そっくりそのまま返すわw
185名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zmIHArNT0
>>179
そっくり返す?
お前が

勝手に、あー認めない認めない

と言ってるだけだろw

199名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zmIHArNT0
>>179
お前レベル程度の人間が、自惚れるんじゃねえよ!

サービスを受けらてない事は報道されてる事だろ!
サービスを受けられてない状態を、それは被害認定がーとか
それ屁理屈じゃん

サービスを受けられてない状態を被害じゃないなら
全てのサービスを辞めても被害では無いと言ってるのと同じ

>>188
はい?こんな暴れてる工作業者がいるもなのかよ
バカかてめーは!

354名無しさん@恐縮ですID:zmIHArNT0
>>351
>>129
533名無しさん@恐縮ですID:6LzQ3oXA02023/07/09(日) 19:02:27.20
自分もコンビニで証明書取ったら他人のだったよ
535名無しさん@恐縮です
>>533
そーですか
534名無しさん@恐縮ですID:UQozd7WN02023/07/09(日) 19:03:10.12
少しのミスでも訴訟のアメリカ人に言われたくないわな
536名無しさん@恐縮ですID:VTsx1Be802023/07/09(日) 19:04:35.58
訴訟大国のアメリカ生まれのアメリカ人が、日本はノーミス主義すぎるとか言ってるの草
マクドナルドのコーヒーが熱くてやけどしただけで賠償金3億円払えと言われるアメリカ棚に上げてよく言うわ
537名無しさん@恐縮ですID:AsMiB+Hp02023/07/09(日) 19:04:47.31
アメリカのソーシャルセキュリティナンバーは銀行口座と紐付けられてるから
コロナの給付金のときに申請がなくても自動入金されたそうだね
資格がない日本人にも小切手が送られてきたって報道があたけどw
まあ、皆保険はないから保険証とは紐付けられてないかもしれんけど、
SSNの負の側面に触れないなんてやっぱパックンは回し者なんだろね
545名無しさん@恐縮ですID:2vJyHTZY0
>>537
そりゃアメリカ政府が納税記録を見て勝手に振り込んだから
日本はカネ欲しいなら10万円欲しいと申請書だせよ。だったでしょ。
558名無しさん@恐縮ですID:AsMiB+Hp0
>>545
そこだよね、問題は
納税記録を見て給付金を振り込んだってことは、全収入を国に把握されてるってこと
584名無しさん@恐縮ですID:GaMIvaX40
>>558
何いってんの?
元から口座の残高とか元から調べられてますよ。
でなきゃ国税がいきなり脱税とかで家宅捜索にこないでしょ
538名無しさん@恐縮ですID:lZSZDmQl02023/07/09(日) 19:06:13.63
わーくににスキル無いんだからしゃーない
アナログ回帰せえ
541名無しさん@恐縮ですID:NFVqzUx402023/07/09(日) 19:08:02.41
そもそも行政にミス犯してまでも革新的なことなんて求めとらん
民間が革新的なことしてミスしたらすぐ行政指導して潰す癖に
542名無しさん@恐縮ですID:WPu91evF02023/07/09(日) 19:08:37.29
病院や歯医者でマイナンバーカードの不具合で使えないと一旦全額負担なるし、その時に医者が患者に謝ってるの見てなんか可哀想で自分は紙の保険証しか使ってないわ
不具合あると謝罪するのは政治家や役人でなく現場の医者や看護師や従業者だし
544名無しさん@恐縮ですID:bZJCDJzg02023/07/09(日) 19:10:34.78
そういう問題じゃなくね?
それ以前の問題だよね?
552名無しさん@恐縮ですID:YtAbtjGn0
>>544
河野やデジタル庁の頭の中ではそうゆうことなんだけど
政治家が地元に帰って支援者の声を聞くと「けしからん」てことになって帰って来るw
546名無しさん@恐縮ですID:G15j5J7u02023/07/09(日) 19:10:50.67
IT業界に30年いるけど、うまくいっているプログラムはイジルなって格言があって、
その通りだと思う。

誰も困ってないのに勝手にシステムをいじり、
1ミスで終わる貧弱なシステムに変えようとする岸田には消えてほしい

547名無しさん@恐縮ですID:IPKMEg4Z02023/07/09(日) 19:11:14.16
マイナカードがあれば住民票をコンビニに取りに行く必要すら無いことに気付けよ馬鹿外人
548名無しさん@恐縮ですID:qnxKnXfz02023/07/09(日) 19:12:51.64
ミスと策略、取り違え認識させられている場合だと悪質だよな
なんかこう主張ゴリ押し合戦ばかりで、しっかり議論なり対話・保険や裏付けもって納得してもらおうってのが少ないんではないかと
549名無しさん@恐縮ですID:tVVTY85u02023/07/09(日) 19:13:08.55
よく言った。
ほんとパフォーマンスだよ。
その言葉が出てこなかったがピッタリだわ
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