150名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CO4lAYiX02023/07/18(火) 11:47:11.24
名前忘れたけど中身おっさんだったのあったよね
151名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xEHZ/+uN02023/07/18(火) 11:47:56.61
並べてみた
目がチカチカする
目がチカチカする
156名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:J/4QhAdr0
>>151
左 かめはめ波
右 ジョジョポーズ
左 かめはめ波
右 ジョジョポーズ
160名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:tTtlQ3p+0
>>151
これだけだと素人目にはパクリには見えんな
これだけだと素人目にはパクリには見えんな
168名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jHZxoHtQ0
>>151
これがパクリ言われてるの？全然わからん
これがパクリ言われてるの？全然わからん
171名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:04IHsbAg0
>>151
どっちがパクリパクられだかわかんないけどどっちもありふれたアニメ絵じゃないんかこれ
その辺に転がってるやん
どっちがパクリパクられだかわかんないけどどっちもありふれたアニメ絵じゃないんかこれ
その辺に転がってるやん
174名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JrLtMj5g0
>>151
こんなんで似てるって
アホか
松田聖子のスイートメモリー
と
ビギンの恋しくて
の方が似てる
こんなんで似てるって
アホか
松田聖子のスイートメモリー
と
ビギンの恋しくて
の方が似てる
182名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ooxQMR290
>>151
左が本物なのは前知識がなくてもわかる
右は線がコンマ数ミリ単位で調整できていないから甘い絵になっている
左が本物なのは前知識がなくてもわかる
右は線がコンマ数ミリ単位で調整できていないから甘い絵になっている
195名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Rq/2mmrd0
>>151
これぱくりいわれたら何もかけんwww
これぱくりいわれたら何もかけんwww
199名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1jtRaZp30
絵より企画展示のパクりが問題になってるんじゃないの？
海賊版の違法DL公言するような倫理観持ちっていう所も疑われる元になってるよね
海賊版の違法DL公言するような倫理観持ちっていう所も疑われる元になってるよね
>>151
これ見たときは感じが似てるだけじゃんって思ったけど企画展示パクり見た後だと絵のアイデアもパクってそうだなと思った
好きだと思わず似せてしまう人なのかな
210名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+NA+IaIZ0
>>199
俺も付け焼刃で調べた結果、そんな感じかと思た
あとパクり=トレースと思ってる奴多過ぎ
俺も付け焼刃で調べた結果、そんな感じかと思た
あとパクり=トレースと思ってる奴多過ぎ
200名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:eG2WR61S0
>>151
ポーズも色合いも全然違うように見えるけど
構図パクり？にしてもここまでイメージ違ったらオリジナルでいいんじゃないの
ポーズも色合いも全然違うように見えるけど
構図パクり？にしてもここまでイメージ違ったらオリジナルでいいんじゃないの
203名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qsXwGVyO0
>>151
ん！？コレでパクりて言われてんの？？
さすがにコレで言い出したらキリがねーし可哀想だと思うんだが…
ん！？コレでパクりて言われてんの？？
さすがにコレで言い出したらキリがねーし可哀想だと思うんだが…
204名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2/N4SAvv0
>>151
流行りの画風てだけやろこんなん
流行りの画風てだけやろこんなん
274名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:MLcHBE0y0
>>151
言いがかりだしラレとされてる方もありがちだし売名かな
言いがかりだしラレとされてる方もありがちだし売名かな
432名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:nNoa9Axi0
>>274
ラレ側の方が大御所だぞ
ラレ側の方が大御所だぞ
305名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hGVwop0C0
>>151
これは言い掛かりやろ
こんなんいくらでもあるやん
大した個性もない量産品やろ
これは言い掛かりやろ
こんなんいくらでもあるやん
大した個性もない量産品やろ
308名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Rp2G24BE0
>>305
言いがかりだと思うんなら他の例も提示してくれや
言いがかりだと思うんなら他の例も提示してくれや
ちなみにこれ以外にもいろいろまとまってるぞ
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313名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:c7NWNVGg0
>>308
米さんの方はちゃんとイラストが際立つようになってるな
ピカさんの方はやりすぎてイラストが壁に負けて死んどる
米さんの方はちゃんとイラストが際立つようになってるな
ピカさんの方はやりすぎてイラストが壁に負けて死んどる
314名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FtIT/FYb0
>>308
上の1枚目の左右で描いたの別人くらいだったら分かるけどなあ
弾劾出来るレベルじゃないわ
上の1枚目の左右で描いたの別人くらいだったら分かるけどなあ
弾劾出来るレベルじゃないわ
321名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fOw7ylUr0
>>308
やっぱセーフだと思うわ
これでダメなら真島ヒロとかもう作家生命断たれてるレベルだろ
引き合いに出して悪いけど
やっぱセーフだと思うわ
これでダメなら真島ヒロとかもう作家生命断たれてるレベルだろ
引き合いに出して悪いけど
331名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WPFkioyq0
>>321
その例えで言うなら真島ヒロがワンピースで新キャラが出る度に似たようなキャラをフェアリーテイルに出してくるような状態
その例えで言うなら真島ヒロがワンピースで新キャラが出る度に似たようなキャラをフェアリーテイルに出してくるような状態
354名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fOw7ylUr0
>>331
少なくともこのスレで見た作品でキャラも似てるとも思えんわ
雰囲気もな
こういう話題ならこっちはもっとがっつりこってりしたもんを望んでるんだよ
こんな「○○ちゃんなんか真似てない？？」みたいな微妙な話身内でしろって話だわ
少なくともこのスレで見た作品でキャラも似てるとも思えんわ
雰囲気もな
こういう話題ならこっちはもっとがっつりこってりしたもんを望んでるんだよ
こんな「○○ちゃんなんか真似てない？？」みたいな微妙な話身内でしろって話だわ
376名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WPFkioyq0
>>354
絵描きコミュニティでは数年にわたりそこそこ有名な話だった
自分もこのまま限られた界隈で釈然としない想いをかかえるだけの問題だと思っていたよ
しかしここにきて当事者が限界かのような弱音ツイートをしたりガレソがいっちょかみしてきて少し話が大きくなり君の耳まで届くようになったんだよ
つみおじみたいな面白くわかりやすい問題では無いからスレの情報だけだとそういう感想にやっぱりなってしまうなあと改めてこの問題の難しさを感じる
絵描きコミュニティでは数年にわたりそこそこ有名な話だった
自分もこのまま限られた界隈で釈然としない想いをかかえるだけの問題だと思っていたよ
しかしここにきて当事者が限界かのような弱音ツイートをしたりガレソがいっちょかみしてきて少し話が大きくなり君の耳まで届くようになったんだよ
つみおじみたいな面白くわかりやすい問題では無いからスレの情報だけだとそういう感想にやっぱりなってしまうなあと改めてこの問題の難しさを感じる
380名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fOw7ylUr0
>>376
もやもやは十分に伝わるよ
相手が大きな仕事しだしてなんでうまいこといっとんねんってのもわかる
でもこれをアウトにしたらどんだけアウトの範囲広がるんだと
もやもやは十分に伝わるよ
相手が大きな仕事しだしてなんでうまいこといっとんねんってのもわかる
でもこれをアウトにしたらどんだけアウトの範囲広がるんだと
あとガレソかんでるの？w
417名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WPFkioyq0
>>380
この問題が白黒つくことは無いと思う
所詮は絵描きお気持ちだしね
ただ違和感を感じていた人が少なからずいたからこそここまで話題になったって所に意味があるんじゃないかな
この問題が白黒つくことは無いと思う
所詮は絵描きお気持ちだしね
ただ違和感を感じていた人が少なからずいたからこそここまで話題になったって所に意味があるんじゃないかな
430名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mHdIZ8jM0
>>376 >>417
事情はなんとなく察した
明確なトレスみたいなもんが無いからこそ難しいな…
何年にも渡り粘着されて、出したそばから真似され続けていたら
そりゃオリジナルの作家は消耗するわ…
事情はなんとなく察した
明確なトレスみたいなもんが無いからこそ難しいな…
何年にも渡り粘着されて、出したそばから真似され続けていたら
そりゃオリジナルの作家は消耗するわ…
341名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Ta89hzi20
>>321
作家生命というか結局真島ヒロはいつまでも劣化尾田栄一郎としか見られない3流漫画家じゃん
独創性を競うクリエーターとしては自らバカにされてもいいと言われてるもんだよね
作家生命というか結局真島ヒロはいつまでも劣化尾田栄一郎としか見られない3流漫画家じゃん
独創性を競うクリエーターとしては自らバカにされてもいいと言われてるもんだよね
338名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:1jDouCdj0
>>308
こんなので作風をパクリとか言われたらたまったもんじゃないな
正直カラフルな絵を描いてる方が上手い
こんなので作風をパクリとか言われたらたまったもんじゃないな
正直カラフルな絵を描いてる方が上手い
342名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7iN10RWQ0
>>308
作品の並べ方でパクリ言われてもなあ？
こうしてズラズラ並べる以外にオリジナルの方法あるんかと
作品の並べ方でパクリ言われてもなあ？
こうしてズラズラ並べる以外にオリジナルの方法あるんかと
344名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Rp2G24BE0
>>342
あまり展示みにいかない人だということはわかった。
あまり展示みにいかない人だということはわかった。
399名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:x05O7AIw0
>>344
理解できない人は感性が劣ってるみたいなこと言い出すと自分の首絞めることになるって分からんもん？
理解できない人は感性が劣ってるみたいなこと言い出すと自分の首絞めることになるって分からんもん？
404名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Rp2G24BE0
>>399
そこまで言ってないがそういう解釈をしたんなら被害妄想だぞ
そこまで言ってないがそういう解釈をしたんなら被害妄想だぞ
411名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FAAnyPow0
>>404
じゃあおたくも被害妄想なんでない？
その「関係者たち」も「スレ」も元をただすと誰かの憶測が広まりに広まったものにすぎない
あからさまにトレースしたのとかないわけ？
じゃあおたくも被害妄想なんでない？
その「関係者たち」も「スレ」も元をただすと誰かの憶測が広まりに広まったものにすぎない
あからさまにトレースしたのとかないわけ？
347名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:J/4QhAdr0
>>308
透明板の背景に花を入れたものとただのボードの周囲に蛍光板を貼っただけのものは全然違うだろ
透明板の背景に花を入れたものとただのボードの周囲に蛍光板を貼っただけのものは全然違うだろ
379名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:AyxdObPi0
>>347
ラレの方は花を印刷してからイラストをのっけてるんだと
コンセプトは丸ぱくりしたけど花を印刷じゃなくフレームに入れたからセーフ！
みたいな感じなんじゃね
ラレの方は花を印刷してからイラストをのっけてるんだと
コンセプトは丸ぱくりしたけど花を印刷じゃなくフレームに入れたからセーフ！
みたいな感じなんじゃね
387名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZeCNRRid0
>>308
完全にアウトだな(笑)
恥知らずもいいとこ
完全にアウトだな(笑)
恥知らずもいいとこ
410名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:SdLN5CIR0
>>308
似てるの間違いないけど、これでアウトなら
壁にスプレーで絵を描いただけでバンクシーのパクリ扱いにされるやろなw
似てるの間違いないけど、これでアウトなら
壁にスプレーで絵を描いただけでバンクシーのパクリ扱いにされるやろなw
469名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ktEl9soP0
>>308
法律的にはセーフの範囲なのかもしれないけど
同業者のアイデアを複数回模倣するってのは倫理的にアウトだな
法律的にはセーフの範囲なのかもしれないけど
同業者のアイデアを複数回模倣するってのは倫理的にアウトだな
333名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CZeKNE500
>>151
構図は似てるけどこんなの推しの子でもラブライブでもよく見かける構図だしなぁ
これがパクリで著作権料取れるなら米山さんは訴えまくって百億長者になれるね
構図は似てるけどこんなの推しの子でもラブライブでもよく見かける構図だしなぁ
これがパクリで著作権料取れるなら米山さんは訴えまくって百億長者になれるね
337名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rJE3qdYl0
>>151
悟空のかめはめ波じゃん
悟空のかめはめ波じゃん
348名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:g6Um/tYq0
>>151
そもそも左も昔からゲーム・アニメ・漫画にありそうな構図だと思ってしまったんだが…
そもそも左も昔からゲーム・アニメ・漫画にありそうな構図だと思ってしまったんだが…
356名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:B+SMXQnT0
>>151
これをパクり認定してたら誰もクリエイターを名乗れないだろ
元ネタのヤツは何も参考にしないで生まれた完全オリジナルと言えるのか？
似たような構図なんかいくらでもありそうだが
これをパクり認定してたら誰もクリエイターを名乗れないだろ
元ネタのヤツは何も参考にしないで生まれた完全オリジナルと言えるのか？
似たような構図なんかいくらでもありそうだが
370名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:jeSbvv4e0
>>151,309
これで「パクられた！」は無理があるな
商業オタク絵なんて大抵似たようなもんだし
これで「パクられた！」は無理があるな
商業オタク絵なんて大抵似たようなもんだし
386名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:uRwl89G+0
>>151
ポーズも違うし日の丸構図で集中線を単純にならないようにアレンジしたもの
これがダメなら何も描けない
ポーズも違うし日の丸構図で集中線を単純にならないようにアレンジしたもの
これがダメなら何も描けない
402名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:G3/KeOMl0
>>151
素人目には右のほうがカッコよく見える
素人目には右のほうがカッコよく見える
420名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:mHdIZ8jM0
>>151
左のは構図や色使いで視線誘導まで計算されてるけど
や右のは平面的で散漫としてるね
ジミー大西の絵みたい
あっちに元ネタが無いか探した方が良いかも
左のは構図や色使いで視線誘導まで計算されてるけど
や右のは平面的で散漫としてるね
ジミー大西の絵みたい
あっちに元ネタが無いか探した方が良いかも
154名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Y2rbqFqU02023/07/18(火) 11:49:43.87
米山が元々アニメーターでアニメーターらしい作品作りをして個展もアニメーターらしい個展になってたんだけど
アニメ触ったことないpikazoも何年か前にアニメやり出してその構図が米山と似てた
そんでその後開いた個展も米山の個展と同じ構図じゃね？ってなって法的には無問題だが一部がザワつくっていう
なんとなく後追いが続いてるなあっていうレベルの話
アニメ触ったことないpikazoも何年か前にアニメやり出してその構図が米山と似てた
そんでその後開いた個展も米山の個展と同じ構図じゃね？ってなって法的には無問題だが一部がザワつくっていう
なんとなく後追いが続いてるなあっていうレベルの話
155名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QfeVyD/c02023/07/18(火) 11:50:19.22
パクリとかナントカよりこういう絵ってありふれ過ぎてウンザリしねえのかよ？
ヲタ以外は気持ち悪いと思うぞ
ヲタ以外は気持ち悪いと思うぞ
157名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:foQWQ02Z02023/07/18(火) 11:51:49.84
絵画の世界の印象派だのの○○派っての見てそっくりだパクりだって騒がないのにイラストだとダメなの？
159名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:IJVdl5Ex02023/07/18(火) 11:53:46.24
被害妄想こじらせすぎでは？
164名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:qsXwGVyO02023/07/18(火) 11:55:13.66
つみナントカさんは結局どうなってんの？
170名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zDCRkWLr0
>>164
名前変えてまたどっかでトレースしてんじゃねえの？
名前変えてまたどっかでトレースしてんじゃねえの？
185名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:FGXeExK60
コレあんま追い込むと、ラレ側が自意識カジョーの誹りを受けかねない事案では。
どっちも知らん作家だけどなんとなく潔癖ぽいし。
どっちも知らん作家だけどなんとなく潔癖ぽいし。
>>164
トレーサーは名前変えてAIでもやってんでないの。 要求されるスキルとAI出力の生成物って親和性すごい高いし。
昔トレスエロ同人で稼いでた空想実験なんかも、AI使えば相当高品質なモン作れるんじゃないかなー、とか考えてる。 今何やってるか知らんど。
元々「再構成能力」も芸術における重要な才能の一つなんだよね。 それがAI生成の発達で「画力」以上の位置まで昇って来そうだな― とか。
165名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fOw7ylUr02023/07/18(火) 11:56:42.96
客観的に絵はトレパクじゃない
海賊版仕様公言してたのはアホ
なんでも真似されてるのしんどいは知らん本人に言えばいいだろうに
海賊版仕様公言してたのはアホ
なんでも真似されてるのしんどいは知らん本人に言えばいいだろうに
167名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JrLtMj5g02023/07/18(火) 11:57:04.63
にてねえw
169名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QfeVyD/c02023/07/18(火) 11:57:37.65
そのままトレースしたようならパクリだが、これをパクリと言うのは言い掛かりに近いだろな
例え参考にしたとしてもだ
例え参考にしたとしてもだ
173名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hx4XlhO802023/07/18(火) 11:59:18.76
昔みつみ絵みたいなの流行ったやろ
影響受けたり流行りの絵柄があるのは普通のこと
影響受けたり流行りの絵柄があるのは普通のこと
175名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ZmhENdZj02023/07/18(火) 11:59:29.69
どっちもめちゃくちゃよくいる絵柄じゃない？
176名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ooxQMR2902023/07/18(火) 11:59:40.09
個性を確立するのも才能がいるからその個性が欠落して技術だけ授かった人が
個性をパクっているだけの話なのかね
ある意味ストーカー地味ていて当人にとっては悪夢だろうね
個性をパクっているだけの話なのかね
ある意味ストーカー地味ていて当人にとっては悪夢だろうね
177名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ItHVFlei02023/07/18(火) 12:00:18.93
他人のパクリには厳しいくせに
AIで他人の絵をパクって金儲けする自分には激甘だよなお前ら
AIで他人の絵をパクって金儲けする自分には激甘だよなお前ら
179名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:asfvkMXo02023/07/18(火) 12:00:46.93
つみは
イラストパクリ
性別詐称
子持ちの髭面ジジイ
ある意味つみのが罪深い
イラストパクリ
性別詐称
子持ちの髭面ジジイ
ある意味つみのが罪深い
180名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:QfeVyD/c02023/07/18(火) 12:02:15.20
それぞれに同じような絵を描く人が千人ぐらいいそうw
凡人そのものって感じの絵w
凡人そのものって感じの絵w
181名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:dizzHgZO02023/07/18(火) 12:02:29.60
実際問題になってる画像貼ってくれないとスレ伸びねえぞ
184名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:3D9YjyrL02023/07/18(火) 12:06:11.25
ファイアーエムブレム好きだけど、エンゲージは絵が微妙だから買わなかった
186名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oAHyW98002023/07/18(火) 12:06:54.18
ﾋﾟｶｿﾞｰゎﾊﾟｸｯたりしなぃょ。。。
187名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:rLsHERfr02023/07/18(火) 12:07:31.47
ヴィヴィッドカラーを多用したイラストは定期的に流行っては廃れるを繰り返すから
数年後には画風を変えているか消えてるだろうな
数年後には画風を変えているか消えてるだろうな
188名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/75gdkAl02023/07/18(火) 12:07:51.85
ピカソ？ピカゾ？
189名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CPU/p2bw02023/07/18(火) 12:10:00.27
異世界なろう系アニメなんて髪の毛坊主にしたら、どれがどの作品の誰か見分けつかないぞ
190名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ooxQMR2902023/07/18(火) 12:11:21.76
生涯売れない絵師が大半だからパクっても売れたもん勝ちやなってのはわかる
でもそれを実践できる心理は理解できんわ
でもそれを実践できる心理は理解できんわ
191名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:a8d1Dtwm02023/07/18(火) 12:12:38.58
前から両者この作風だと思うんだけどなんで突然病み出したんだ
258名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:60mBwHQV0
>>191
こういうメンヘラ絵師同士の揉め事って遥か昔からあった
ネットのない同人誌主体の頃も、うたたねひろゆきって漫画家が同業者にパクリだと粘着されてネガキャンされてた事あったし
こういうメンヘラ絵師同士の揉め事って遥か昔からあった
ネットのない同人誌主体の頃も、うたたねひろゆきって漫画家が同業者にパクリだと粘着されてネガキャンされてた事あったし
192名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:CPU/p2bw02023/07/18(火) 12:14:21.46
パクり元と言われてる方も何も知らん自分が見たらタツマキのキャラデザパクってるようにしか見えん
196名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hx4XlhO80
>>192
タツマキはわからんけどオグチには似てると思った
タツマキはわからんけどオグチには似てると思った
322名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:hx4XlhO80
>>192
タツマキはわからんけどオグチには似てると思った
タツマキはわからんけどオグチには似てると思った
437名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:/j3Vjp6t0
>>322
ワンパンマンのタツマキだと思う
ワンパンマンのタツマキだと思う
193名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:PPSxkssZ02023/07/18(火) 12:15:05.31
好きすぎて寄せてしまった感じ？興味ないからどっちもしらんかったけど
194名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:pok9qDq002023/07/18(火) 12:15:14.56
リスペクトでインスパイアのオマージュ
197名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:lX+1k8vu02023/07/18(火) 12:23:15.77
誰かに憧れてそいつに寄せてったとしてもそれ罪にならんから
198名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:0giN5YxR02023/07/18(火) 12:23:21.28
https://i.imgur.com/7zYCdaW.jpg
どっちも鈴木英人の影響受けてるだろ
どっちも鈴木英人の影響受けてるだろ
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