202名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aHfkD6G+02023/07/18(火) 12:26:51.13
リスペクトされてるだけだと思うけど、されてる側が不快に思っているのなら駄目かな
214名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6C+8Q8fu0
>>202
絵柄だけならリスペクト言い訳できるけど
古典のコンセプト似せるのもリスペクトと言い訳してもいいのは中学生までかな
絵柄だけならリスペクト言い訳できるけど
古典のコンセプト似せるのもリスペクトと言い訳してもいいのは中学生までかな
205名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:N7Gz9abJ02023/07/18(火) 12:28:01.62
https://i.imgur.com/sT0IslN.jpg
206名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:7VT95WQj02023/07/18(火) 12:28:04.19
まとめ見たけどパクリとは言えない
207名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:C3wyp2C102023/07/18(火) 12:30:19.45
つみ先生がこの手の問題に関するハードルを上げ過ぎてしまったな
208名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oTsci5Lr02023/07/18(火) 12:30:42.12
目立ってるピカゾに難癖つけてるけど、凡百の偽ピカゾには文句言わないのか？
209名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6C+8Q8fu02023/07/18(火) 12:33:04.37
前も個展コンセプトパクって2回目なんでしょ
ファッションでいうとしまむらやワークマンがデザインパクってもあーしょせんはねって感じだが
パリコレとかのデザイナーがよそのメゾンのコンセプト後追い続けてたらボロクソばかにされる
今回のパク問題はこの中間くらいのヒソヒソ度かな～
211名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:kj96dF+Y02023/07/18(火) 12:34:28.53
今はパクってでも売れたもん勝ちでしょ
ハシズメユウヤとかKYNEみたいに
恥ずかしげもなく描いて何百万儲けた方が
批判する側よりよほど有意義だろ
ハシズメユウヤとかKYNEみたいに
恥ずかしげもなく描いて何百万儲けた方が
批判する側よりよほど有意義だろ
212名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Zdm6BWns02023/07/18(火) 12:35:07.14
トレースじゃなく模倣程度なら別にって感じよな
213名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6xxTsP/m02023/07/18(火) 12:35:12.60
ググッて見たけど米山さんて人のほうが何倍も上手いし
ピカなんとかさんはその域には到達できんやろうから気にすんな
ピカなんとかさんはその域には到達できんやろうから気にすんな
215名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ooxQMR2902023/07/18(火) 12:36:04.95
日本はアートにおける文化の程度がまだまだ低いんだろうね
216名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zhwZaHya02023/07/18(火) 12:36:40.20
海賊版も平気で利用するなら作風もマネるし、個展のコンセプトも炎上するまでコスり続けるわな
企業に採用してもらったらキャラデザとしても安泰やし
企業に採用してもらったらキャラデザとしても安泰やし
217名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:2yJt7Ale02023/07/18(火) 12:37:05.48
真似してる側もトレパクと違ってこれはセーフってわかってやってるから
された側はお気持ち吐き出すしかないんだろ
された側はお気持ち吐き出すしかないんだろ
218名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ooxQMR2902023/07/18(火) 12:37:56.80
企業も流行りを掴めた人をそこそこ安く使い捨てできればwinwinだしなぁ
業界自体にも問題あるな
業界自体にも問題あるな
260名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zDCRkWLr0
>>218
もともとアートなんてそんなもんだろ
中世だって死んだ画家の作風真似てオリジナルとして売る贋作家とかいたみたいだし
もともとアートなんてそんなもんだろ
中世だって死んだ画家の作風真似てオリジナルとして売る贋作家とかいたみたいだし
219名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fOw7ylUr02023/07/18(火) 12:38:44.78
結局個展のコンセプトのパクリの話なの？
絵はパクリじゃないでいいよな？？
絵はパクリじゃないでいいよな？？
220名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JHeJq25r02023/07/18(火) 12:39:15.76
ていうか興味ない萌え系の絵は全部同じに見える
つまんない
つまんない
222名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:JHeJq25r02023/07/18(火) 12:40:32.13
一番好きなイラストレーターは仕事絵ばっかり描いて趣味絵滅多に描いてくれなくなっちゃった
つまらない
つまらない
223名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:RJpEKfP+02023/07/18(火) 12:42:27.10
AIに作風トレースされる実情なのにのんきなことやってんな
224名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ooxQMR2902023/07/18(火) 12:43:24.49
このガチャガチャ系イラストって元はソシャゲの強キャラSSRイラストを煮詰めて濃くした感じでしょ
すぐ飽きるよ見てて疲れるもの
すぐ飽きるよ見てて疲れるもの
226名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LzhYAlYX02023/07/18(火) 12:44:25.04
米山舞はデジタルでしかできない表現追及してて構図も独特だから影響されてパクるやつはいっぱいいる
今回のは展示コンセプトまで真似するとかストーカーじみててやられた方は恐怖でしかないだろう
同人ゴロ、絵柄ストーカー、なんて言えばいいんだろうな
今回のは展示コンセプトまで真似するとかストーカーじみててやられた方は恐怖でしかないだろう
同人ゴロ、絵柄ストーカー、なんて言えばいいんだろうな
227名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:xHAxsWl302023/07/18(火) 12:46:55.16
ジェネリック
228名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LceSyT6s02023/07/18(火) 12:47:33.31
容姿まで寄せてくるとかなんかなんでも真似する同僚みたいでホラーだな
229名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:ooxQMR2902023/07/18(火) 12:47:47.83
合法コピー商品
230名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:6C+8Q8fu02023/07/18(火) 12:48:32.56
パクるほうは考える時間少なくて済むから手が速いんだよね
パクられるほうは時間かかる上またこれもパクられんのかと思うとストレスになる
パクられるほうは時間かかる上またこれもパクられんのかと思うとストレスになる
231名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aVLa6kGA02023/07/18(火) 12:51:35.93
>約10年前、当時生活していた海外の環境に流されてしまい、自分の中で著作権に対する認識が甘くなってしまいました
どこだろ海外って
アメリカだったらゆるいように見えてわりと厳しいはずだけど
239名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:vy7o67eF0
>>231
ブラジルって書いてる
＞10年ほど前、ブラジル在住時にアニメや漫画の海賊版を利用していたことが発覚し、新たな火種となった。
ブラジルって書いてる
＞10年ほど前、ブラジル在住時にアニメや漫画の海賊版を利用していたことが発覚し、新たな火種となった。
243名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aVLa6kGA0
>>239
ありがと
ブラジルか
あそこじゃしゃーねーな
ありがと
ブラジルか
あそこじゃしゃーねーな
296名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:fOw7ylUr0
>>243
ゲームのことしか知らんけど税金かかりすぎて
ブラジルだけ現地で作らなきゃとても売れる値段にできないからな
「アメリカ暮らしで価値観バグって大麻やりまくってました」告白みたいなもん
ゲームのことしか知らんけど税金かかりすぎて
ブラジルだけ現地で作らなきゃとても売れる値段にできないからな
「アメリカ暮らしで価値観バグって大麻やりまくってました」告白みたいなもん
232名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Iqxe4o2702023/07/18(火) 12:52:12.66
そういや銭湯絵師のあの子いま何やってんだろ
235名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aVLa6kGA0
>>232
俺も今それ思ってた
パクリバレなきゃ東京五輪で何か披露する予定だったんだっけ
俺も今それ思ってた
パクリバレなきゃ東京五輪で何か披露する予定だったんだっけ
233名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:SIALgQZn02023/07/18(火) 12:52:29.71
まんまパクったどうのってより、フォロワーが出世しちゃったって感じ？
234名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:+BvmQ4mF02023/07/18(火) 12:53:35.07
手塚や鳥山、尾田なんかもだけど
流行れば絵柄を真似る奴なんてわんさかいるし
絵画だって流行りの絵を取り入れてきた画家は有名な奴でも山のようにいる
そんなんでいちいち謝罪してたら写実しか描けないのでは？
流行れば絵柄を真似る奴なんてわんさかいるし
絵画だって流行りの絵を取り入れてきた画家は有名な奴でも山のようにいる
そんなんでいちいち謝罪してたら写実しか描けないのでは？
236名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WsNr/VvJ02023/07/18(火) 12:56:38.71
マガジンのワンピが何も問題無いんだから
これも別に問題無いだろ
これも別に問題無いだろ
237名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:OY8UgQOU02023/07/18(火) 12:56:38.75
完コピとかでなければ著作権の主張も難しいのかなぁ
絵じゃなくても歌だとか小説の表現が似てるなーってのもよくあることだし
絵なんかは好きな絵師さんの真似から入る人が多いんだろうしな
真似されたと思う方はムカつくだろうけど…
絵じゃなくても歌だとか小説の表現が似てるなーってのもよくあることだし
絵なんかは好きな絵師さんの真似から入る人が多いんだろうしな
真似されたと思う方はムカつくだろうけど…
238名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:U5DAcJJp02023/07/18(火) 12:57:15.88
前も明らかに検証でパクリのイラストレーターいたけど大手出版のやつなのかお咎めなしで終わってたな
ブラジル人？のやつ
ブラジル人？のやつ
242名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:05xPMSY402023/07/18(火) 12:59:01.68
アルバムジャケットとかだとオマージュなど結構あるよね
350名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:oWeysHS50
>>242
こっちのが酷い
影響受けてるアーティストだし
こっちのが酷い
影響受けてるアーティストだし
i.imgur.com/uQGgZYm.jpg
i.imgur.com/PpyEMf7.jpg
244名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:aVLa6kGA02023/07/18(火) 13:00:19.54
さっきから必死で擁護してる単発がいてわかりやすい
245名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WPM2wSRb02023/07/18(火) 13:02:12.27
あーあ
これで後発は未来永劫アニメーションを連続したイラストとして飾る手法が出来なくなったんやね
この分野は米山とやらがひたすら単独で掘り続けてそれで終わりやね
これで後発は未来永劫アニメーションを連続したイラストとして飾る手法が出来なくなったんやね
この分野は米山とやらがひたすら単独で掘り続けてそれで終わりやね
248名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:AMN82nY30
>>245
シーンを順番どうり並べるとかそんなんは今までもアニメの原画店なんかでも見たけどこれはなんか独特のアクリル使ってそれに彩色して奥行き出して展示してたんでしょ？
それをそのままパクったらわかりやすすぎるでしょ
シーンを順番どうり並べるとかそんなんは今までもアニメの原画店なんかでも見たけどこれはなんか独特のアクリル使ってそれに彩色して奥行き出して展示してたんでしょ？
それをそのままパクったらわかりやすすぎるでしょ
254名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:A+NtWeBA0
>>248
その独特のアクリルが米山オリジナルならともかく普通に買えるやつじゃなかったか
その独特のアクリルが米山オリジナルならともかく普通に買えるやつじゃなかったか
255名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WPM2wSRb0
>>248
その独自の展示の良さを引き出す為に後発が実験することすら憚られる空気になったねってことなのわからんか？
誰もやらなかったことをやることだけが芸術じゃないんやで
その独自の展示の良さを引き出す為に後発が実験することすら憚られる空気になったねってことなのわからんか？
誰もやらなかったことをやることだけが芸術じゃないんやで
259名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:Yy2b6ZMg0
>>255
えええ
屁理屈すぎない？
それなら展示方法や使う場所を変えれば良かったんじゃね
えええ
屁理屈すぎない？
それなら展示方法や使う場所を変えれば良かったんじゃね
271名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:WPM2wSRb0
>>259
どっちが悪いとかの話をしてるんじゃなくて
こんな個人的ないざこざのせいで業界全体がやりづらい流れになったってことやで
この件だけで終わらんで推しクリエイターの表現の起源を主張したいオーディエンスが勝手に気に入らんクリエイターを吊し上げて私刑するような流れになっていくと思うわ
その先にあるのは特定の人間だけが独占する発展性のない世界や
どっちが悪いとかの話をしてるんじゃなくて
こんな個人的ないざこざのせいで業界全体がやりづらい流れになったってことやで
この件だけで終わらんで推しクリエイターの表現の起源を主張したいオーディエンスが勝手に気に入らんクリエイターを吊し上げて私刑するような流れになっていくと思うわ
その先にあるのは特定の人間だけが独占する発展性のない世界や
277名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:LN6x3N0A0
>>271
真似ばっかしてないでそれを越える表現を模索していけよ
真似ばっかしてないでそれを越える表現を模索していけよ
285名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:zDCRkWLr0
>>271
毎回先駆者と似たような表現しか出来ないアーティストに需要が出来るわけない
毎回先駆者と似たような表現しか出来ないアーティストに需要が出来るわけない
261名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:U5DAcJJp0
>>255
それをパクリ思われるならそいつのやり方が悪い
それをパクリ思われるならそいつのやり方が悪い
266名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:SIALgQZn0
>>255
言ってることはそのとおりなんだけど、
後発でも同ジャンルでそこそこの地位にいる商業イラストレーターがやるべきではないとは思うけどな
セミプロが個人でやるのとは話が違うわけだし
とはいえ、この規模の展示になると基本的には作家個人ですべて進めるわけじゃないから、
共通の運営関係があれば似通ってくる部分がでてくるのはままあるけど、
2回共似たような展示構成ってのは流石になあ・・・
言ってることはそのとおりなんだけど、
後発でも同ジャンルでそこそこの地位にいる商業イラストレーターがやるべきではないとは思うけどな
セミプロが個人でやるのとは話が違うわけだし
とはいえ、この規模の展示になると基本的には作家個人ですべて進めるわけじゃないから、
共通の運営関係があれば似通ってくる部分がでてくるのはままあるけど、
2回共似たような展示構成ってのは流石になあ・・・
246名無しさん＠恐縮ですID:R2mTPbi902023/07/18(火) 13:03:10.88
イラストレーターで完全オリジナルを描けるやつは1割もいないだろ
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